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- ersatzphi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+57DVD box sets, torrents, people wanting evolving characters and developing story lines, just to name a few...
- bigtomrodney, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30Yeah I guess the whole Tom and Jerry concept of 'everything goes back to normal' at the end of every episode of those sitcoms was just too much. That and Jack Bauer tortures people, which is way more fun.
- WOmanmade, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29DVD box sets are just about one of my most favorite inventions of the past few years. it is true, dvds have really changed the way a lot of people watch tv. myself, i wait for lost to come out on dvd then i watch it. it's just easier that way.
- farfromsubtl, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28Twin Peaks was the first of this kind of series. David Lynch revolutionized tv.
- beachbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22If everyone would just listen to Jack, the show would be called 12.
- grav80bong, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Right on about the torrents (episodes available for download/stream on the internet in general). Also Tivo/DVR have played a role in that as well. I didn't see an episode of Heroes until a month ago, now I'm caught up. I'm planning to do the same for Prison Break at some point. Having the ability to choose to watch a large batch of episodes of a tv series in a couple of days has completely changed my episodic series viewing habits.
- SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Exactly. I began watching 24 on DVD because I couldn't count on being around each week to see it on TV so I missed too many episodes. With the DVD box sets, I watched 3 seasons in a couple of months with my family, now we're all 24 addicts and we get them off of bittorrent. I watch most of my TV off bittorrent these days because I can watch it when it's convenient for me and not miss any episodes. Lost, Heroes, 24, The Office I get them all off of bittorrent.
I also never would have found the excellent Firefly without DVD box sets. It's become a family tradition to rewatch all of Firefly during Christmas break, I'm really looking forward to seeing it again this year. - Aeiri, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21There is a HUGE difference between 24 and The Sentinel!
In 24 he yells with various standard clothing on.
In The Sentinel he yells with a SUIT on! - ATLBeer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18It's a TV show where Keifer Sutherland yells.
Unlike his recent movie, The Sentinel, where.... he yells. - xelloss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Well I do love 24 for story, characters etc, but what I really love is they play the whole season in one go, I hate when shows like Stargate, Prison Break, Heroes do 10 episodes here, 4 episodes there and few here and there. I just like to come back every week, week after week until the season is finished.
- IMustBeEmo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Hey r-tard.
http://www.google.com - Neiby, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14"Twin Peaks was the first of this kind of series. David Lynch revolutionized tv."
Except with Twin Peaks you could watch every episode and still have no idea what was going on. Some people liked it, but I thought it was unwatchable. It would look like a normal show for about 30 seconds and then, out of nowhere, it would switch to a slow-motion shot of a dwarf filling a bathtub with brightly colored machine tools or something. David Lynch needs to lay off the LSD. - Gizza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12The problem is that as soon as u miss one episode u might as well give up on the whole series and either download it or wait for the dvd.
- KidVicious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I think it's implying how serial dramas, with 24 at the lead, brought upon a change from having a sitcom on every channel to a serial drama on every channel.
- Bokista, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8He's not saying it started it but rather than it brought it back in full swing such that others followed suit.
- frostedflakes, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11The X-Files
- redHOTstoker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10LOL, I was just wondering. How many people do you think tune into 24 just to see the torture scenes? Like people that watch Hockey for fights or car racing for wrecks.
I admit I'm intrigued by the torture scenes too. Jack is just the baddest bad ass. I loved in the 4th season when he just up and shot that guy in the leg. Or what about the 2nd when he totally killed that guy in like the second episode?
24, is a really exciting show to watch. Here's hoping we see more torture scenes this season. Let's make Rumsfeld proud, lol. - itsmattadams, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17I watch Scrubs.
- fascistpig, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Regardless, the Sopranos came first.
Sopranos (1999): http://imdb.com/title/tt0141842/
24 (2001): http://imdb.com/title/tt0285331/ - Gizza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Thats when the characters go to the toilet.
- herchenroder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9This article reads like a grade school English Comp essay. Sure, 24 is a great show and will probably be remembered longer than most of those 'one couch sitcoms', but the article could have done with a little more supporting evidence instead of simply stating the thesis three times.
Perhaps someone has simply mentioned '24' in their article title to see how many diggs they will get... - jnorris441, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Unless TV shows are flying like 747's, they are ruling the AIRWAVES not the AIRWAYS
- isayx3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Dallas, Dynasty, Twin Peaks, Sapranos....TV serials have always been around.
Although 24 was popular, I think LOST had more to do with the revival. After Lost everyone started doing the supernatural storylines (Surface, Invasion, Heroes, Day Break). All started after the popularity of Lost.
24 debut in 2001, I don't recall any serials pop'ing up the next season. Lost debut was in 2004, all the those shows mentioned sprouted up after Lost's popularity. - ricree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"I'm still waiting to hear how 24 "revolutionized TV""
Instead of waiting, you should really consider clicking on the link and reading the article. - vhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@axel2k:
"I'm surprised more people haven't adopted my view."
Sounds like you need your own TV show, where you can express and endorse your view. - JohnnyZito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I only have so much time give to TV, maybe 3 or 4 hours a week. So I pick and choose what I watch carefully. I'll pick a show or two a season to follow.
If I'm gonna give an hour of my time to the idiot box it has to give me something to chew on later. It has to be able to entertain me beyond the hour that I'm watching it.
If you have even less time than me and you can't commit to one or two shows you can always float between shows like CSI or Law and Order which are all stand alone eps. - wordfan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+424 also did something very bad for television - the melodramatization of the serial drama. I've never watched 24, but the idea of constant action makes sense within the context of a man fighting the clock to stop the terrorists or whatever. What does not make sense is when they take that same edge-of-your-seat tension and try to create it in, oh I don't know, a hospital. People make fun of Shatner, but his portrayal of Kirk wasn't nearly as melodramatic as what regularly passes for drama. I got no problem with a little overacting in the action/drama context, but if your show takes place in a Hospital or a laboratory, IT AIN'T A GOD DAMNED ACTION SHOW SO TONE IT DOWN.
- theWrkncacnter, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Screw 24, I want to watch Family Matters with its couch and Steve Urkel.
- shadekeiko, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8What about The X-Files? Buffy? Sure they had more of a "monster of the week" thing going on, but they nevertheless had underlying story arcs that I think qualify as serial in nature. Either way, those came on way before 24, and in my opinion, have influenced television way more.
- pandaba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Hill Street Blues was the first long-running, prime time show with continuing storylines. Was also one of the first shows to have storylines running in parallel. When I watch it now, the show seems a little slow-paced but, for its time, it was revolutionary and I remember a lot of adults disliking the show because they couldn't keep track of everything going on. They were so used to the single-story in a single episode way of doing things.
Hill Street Blues pioneered the three layer episode, with the A story being started and resolved in that episode, the B story would continue over a few episodes, and the C story would last for the entire season, if not longer. - ArthurSucks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_%28TV_series%29
- Obsidian743, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I got into 24 because of the DVD sets. Right as season 4 was starting I noticed my dad had seasons 1-3 laying around. I started to watch season 1 on Sunday night just to see what it was about. I called in sick 3 days in a row due to lack of sleep.
- stcmoose32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I beg to differ. At least 24 knows how to resolve storylines, as opposed to just adding more people to some mystical island. The hatch? The others? The numbers? Too many questions lingering too long. Lost is just a tease.
- Poco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think the revolution is TiVo and other PVRs. Before TiVo we couldn't have more than one or two shows like that as it is too easy to miss an episode and be lost. Now you can watch them all when you want without missing anything.
- dognose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Part of the success of 24 is the visual treatment of the video. The 4 screens showing at once, the constant time based delineations in the show, the seconds ticking by. There was a lot going on and you had to see it all.
Lost is sorta similar in that there are a lot of lost people on the island. You don't even see them all each episode. You of course can't miss the episode that had your favorite character on it.
Serialization alone is not the answer as to why they are a success. They are also well written, different, and just plain cool to watch. - DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You don't have to watch 24 to understand the article. Since TV shows are now being made with the DVD market mind rather than the syndication market, the creators of these shows are now able to make series with overarching plotlines across all episodes rather than just a few a season.
- PunkHop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've never been way into TV. I've had a show here and there that I like, but nothing like what's going on right now.
TV is getting smart. FINALLY. It's no longer "Here comes the funny neighbor character, setup, setuuuuuup PUNCHLINE! Laugh track!" predictable *****.
While the article did read like a high school sophomore wrote it, he did get one thing right on the head - TV is becoming more like extended movies. In my opinion, TV has completely surpassed movies. From production values to character development (granted, TV has an advantage because of the time constraints), TV shows don't make me feel dumb anymore.
24 - Exciting, complex, emotional, and thrilling.
Entourage - Some of the quickest, funniest dialogue between guy friends I've ever seen. While it is glammy and silly, the chemistry between the main characters is amazing.
The Office - The most realistic (read: subtle, day-to-day REAL stuff) love story I've ever seen in fictional media.
Dexter - Diggers, WATCH THIS SHOW. Twisting, dark, interesting, sharp as a tack.
Studio 60 - Finally, a show with dialogue that can keep up with ME, not one that I'm waiting for the next line to be delivered.
Heroes - HOW many characters do we have to keep track of? Dark themes, interracial relationships (very progressive, NBC!), interlocking stories, awesome.
Thank you for suddenly being great, TV. - Smuikas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Gizza:
That's why many networks stream their serialized dramas. Ugly Betty, 24, Lost, Jericho - you can watch the latest episode the very next day. Fox's streaming technology is actually the best quality out of them all; highest resolution, least amount of 'buffering.' - drunkjack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think the whole serial drama with consequences is owed more to Buffy the Vampire Slayer than to 24.
As someone said, X-Files had that partially, but it's best moments were the monster of the week episodes, it's weakest were always the 'mythology' episodes, IMO. Especially since waiting a decade for a pay off was a long time.
Buffy, on the other hand created a world where not only did characters age, they shifted alliances, where a villain in one season could turn up as an ally in another. And characters had distinct arcs over seasons and the course of the series. It really created a sense of it's own place and evolution within that place.
It was infinitely more light hearted than 24, and it did feature monsters of the week, but there was always a thread for the entire season. In fact, I prefer the way Whedon and Co mixed the formats to allow for short stories within their larger arcs.
Love 'em both, 24 has upped the realism(and Sleeper Cell has surpassed it in that) and the tension.
But really, man, I still think the 24 hours gimmick hinders the characters and the stories. Jack Bauer is strong enough to work within a more relaxed series without the artificial tension of time ticking away to some arbitrary end point.
I want a CTU series, where Jack's work can be examined in new ways, where the focus can be pulled off Bauer and put on other characters within the CTU.
But that's me. - dagamer34, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That's why the reality shows are still stuck in 2000 where they belong. And if you want you're sitcoms, go back to the '90s. It's all about drama now!
- fascistpig, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5What's this guy talking about? 24 didn't start serialized TV. What about Twin Peaks?
- gbacci, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Charles Dickens serialized his stories, which were then combined and turned into some of the most well-known novels the world has ever seen. As far as TV goes, it's been done many times before. This is a pretty silly story to have made the front page of digg.
- Boatpunc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I always wondered how the rash of shows with fat guys and beautiful wives started. It must have been a slow year.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5What, like the Fugitive didn't come first? Or Babylon 5?
Or any number of other shows? - eje211, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Babylon was the first series to HUGELY focus on continuity. I LOVE B5, but, let's face it, it has terrible dialog, low production value and some of the actors were bad. 24 and Lost are shows that play similar emphasis on continuity, are a lot easier on the audience and a lot "shinier". But B5 did change the face of television, after B5, even a sitcom like Friends had to have story arcs.
- burnttoast11, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3HBO is great. Six Feet Under was awesome.
- mousky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+224 'revolutionized' TV because FOX decided to run it from season premier to season finale with no breaks or repeats, say unlike ER. It annoying watching two or three new episodes and then having to wait another two or three weeks for the next batch of new episodes. If you have to have a break, then do what ABC did with Lost - divide the season into two mini-seasons.
- Poco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Come on, what could be more action than a forensic anthropological lab (a la Bones)?
- Chicken2nite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3and hey, wtf is up with this guy mentioning Studio 60, as if that show wouldn't be what it is without 24? Aaron Sorkin has been doing these sorts of shows since he started to move to tv.
Sports Night (1998): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0306414/
West Wing (1999): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0200276/ - jfxvirus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Aren't we actually killing the ratings of our favorite TV shows by watching them on DVDs or Torrents? Could that potentially contribute to its cancellation in the future?
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