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- kelly12, on 03/10/2009, -0/+7The LDS church speaks respectively about this issue - it is a great article for members and non members alike to become more educated on the BIG LOVE series as one gathers his or her own solutions for action. Loved it.
- TarSox, on 03/10/2009, -0/+7Members of the LDS church have a hard time discussing temple ordinances because they are sacred. But sacred does not mean secret or non-inclusive. Anyone who desires to join the Church, believe in Jesus Christ, and live the standard of personal purity required to enter the temple can go to the temple. In fact, going to the temple is encouraged as it is a holy place where one can feel close to God.
More and more our society shows less respect for anything that is personal or sacred. I just wish that we would all of the decency, no matter what faith or religion is the subject, to respect the wishes of the believers in that faith. - mozmac, on 03/10/2009, -0/+6I'm Mormon and these are part of my sacred beliefs, but the Big Love people are free to say what they want. I don't really care. Getting all mad and throwing a fit would give them what they want: attention. Life goes on.
- mgreenwoodslc, on 03/10/2009, -1/+7These temple ordinances are scared to the mormon people. Why does society want to trample the things that others consider sacred? I assume Mr. Hanks considers certain things to be sacred to him, maybe he would be more compassionate if those things were being trampled on by others. Show some respect.
- joeydg, on 03/10/2009, -0/+5I was talking to my dad about this show. He was pretty bent about it. He's not very religious but thinks that the attacks against the members of the LDS church for practicing their religion is pretty rotten. He actually said, "If these people feel such a need, why don't they do a show about the Muslims - they practice polygamy."
I guess it's not really about polygamy for the producers of this stuff - it's about marriage and feeling the need to defile sacred things. This sort of filth rarely succeeds in popularity and/or message, and is often just a way for someone with a lot of money to vent. In case anybody is curious, this sort of stuff about the LDS church is usually not accurate. When it is accurate, Mormons usually won't fuss about it - they'll even watch it and let their small children watch it.
It's sort of silly for people to watch this stuff. If they want to know about my religion, they can just ask me. People who want to dig up anti-Mormon folklore and gossip can find it anywhere they want already. People who want to know what it's really like can ask an actual member or find the Mormon missionaries and ask them. I've heard some crazy questions about the Mormons, but I'm always willing to provide an answer.
If people want to learn about the real LDS (Mormon) faith, try visiting its official Website: lds.org or mormon.org - Gabrel, on 03/10/2009, -0/+4"As someone recently said, “This isn’t 1830, and there aren’t just six of us anymore.” In other words, with a global membership of thirteen and a half million there is no need to feel defensive when the Church is moving forward so rapidly. The Church’s strength is in its faithful members in 170-plus countries, and there is no evidence that extreme misrepresentations in the media that appeal only to a narrow audience have any long-term negative effect on the Church."
- gavacho13, on 03/13/2009, -0/+3As a Christian and a Mormon, it's not surprising to me to read of HBO's plans to take Big Love to new lows, but what continues to frustrate and confuse me is what seems to be a double standard in the United States when it comes to religious bigotry, particularly in entertainment. I don't think most channels or networks would ever dare to create shows that were offensive toward Jews or Muslims. That would seem like obvious bigotry.
However, when it comes to Latter Day Saints, or Mormons, for some reason I don't think it seems like religious bigotry to people. It's almost like it's wrong to be a bigot…unless it's against Mormons.
During the presidential campaign last year I recall hearing NPR report on Mitt Romney's campaign, and on more than one occasion they recorded voters saying that they would not vote for him specifically because he's a Mormon. The sad thing is, that if you took those same statements and replaced "Mormon" with "Black," "Jew," or "Muslim," those same people would have felt ashamed at what they were saying, and recognized their bigotry for what it really is. Why is that? Why is it OK to manifest bigotry towards Mormons while it's obviously not OK to be a bigot toward other groups? - pencil2pen, on 03/15/2009, -0/+2Hmmm, very interesting comments. "Unethical?" Well, let's see. . .
1. People "choose" to be there in the temple. In fact many, many go back a multitude of times. In fact they learn more the more they go. It is symbolic, which is unusual these days. It requires thoughtfully pondering. Something not used much in today’s world.
2. Life has many times when there is so called pressure or you feel that one is expected to behave in a certain way. This happens all the time in life or in a family. One person may call it intimidation or another may call it encouragement. My immature teens think I am “manipulating” when I require something from them, however as an adult parent I am teaching, encouraging, supporting, molding, teaching and loving in the fullest sense of the word. Is it always what you want to hear? Usually not, when you are young. However as you grow older and have more experiences you see things differently. Perspective is important.
3. You can look at life two ways-- either positive or negative. Your view of the temple seems rather "glass half empty" to me.
Of course there are going to be other opinions such as yours. There are many in the world with many thoughts, I can respect that, however it must be recognized that there is great good that comes from the Temple. “Unethical” well…. I think of it as a place which encourages me to live ethically, morally, responsibly, spiritually, honorably. Is it different than other places? Yes, I am glad it is.
I am happier after being in the temple. I have a friend who had a hard time with her first several visits to the temple. I understand her feelings, I understand your feelings. Perspective, give it a chance, look at life (and the temple) with the glass half full. Use your time and talents for building up and not tearing down. The temple is not for you, OK, go do something positive. Life is too short and wonderful to spend all your time on pointing out what other people do enjoy but you see the negative in. Recognize that is the way it is.
Go out and have a joyful life! I am. - lolcatluver, on 03/11/2009, -0/+1I am a Mormon and ask that our sacred temple ceremonies be respected and we prefer to use sacred to secret. I ask anyone who objects to our so-called "secrets" to watch a television show that shows intimate moments with his or her significant other and then tell us we have no right to having secrets. I apologize if I am being vulgar but the experiences I have had in the temple as a patron and a worker are very special to me and there are probably far more people who would be offended if they were shown parodies of themselves in bed with a lover than something they do not understand, do not wish to understand and only wish to mock. Please show some respect and although Mr. Hanks is a good actor I will refrain from watching his films or supporting him in any way.
Again I apologize if I have offended anyone and I fear the implication that there are sexual acts done in the temple as there are *NOT* but excuse me...I may be ok with offending if I got my point across.
Yes life goes on but please remember my anology.
And about telling people who to love I am sure you are speaking about gay rights. I take a somewhat controversial view on this issue...I believe in separation between church and state. If I am playing baseball I may pick up the ball and throw it. If I am playing defense or offense in soccer I do not touch the ball with my hands. I do not see my faith as a game but it is being treated as such. Why is it that people preach love and tolerance? I believe in that. I call myself socially leftist but morally consercative and get it from both sides and that is ok but it is the "liberals" who "love' and "tolerate" everybody...but seem to vehemently hate the religious and the right or anyone from either.
And I do know Mormons who use profanity which perhaps I should not comment on. - Scheibe, on 11/15/2009, -0/+1 abiogenesis35 is an idiot who is either a liar or doesn't know what he is talking about. I have been to the Temple everything he said was wrong. I'm a former full time missionary, Sunday school teacher, among other callings. I teach Gospel Principles on a mailing list and have been for several years.
http://scottsworld.info/gp.htm
You can learn about the Church here http://www.mormon.org/ - ctrandrm, on 03/16/2009, -0/+1Temples are sacred to those who believe they are. If you don’t believe they are sacred, at least respect others who do.
- bueno40, on 03/17/2009, -0/+1HBO is of the world and for the world. They depict Muslims as terrorists and have no respect for Cathedrals and other Catholic surroundings in horror movies, etc. Not only HBO, but Hollywood as a whole. They will throw crumbs at religions now and then but if anyone they are there to sell worldly views not only of religion but of family life and whatever we hold dear and sacred as hold trash. Whatever is good is a target to make fun of, or smear with their distorted views. Please wake up!
Why are people surprised that Tom Hanks would do that? He was upset with the turn out of Proposition 8 and came out with that stupid comment that the LDS Church is anti-American. He had to do something else to hurt those he does not like. Come on! The guy doe snot know jack of the LDS Church and makes comments out of his anger, grossly represents its members in his pet project, and then people are surprise that he does what he did. It is not HBO, it is Tom Hanks and Hollywood and the whole thing about the world versus the sacred. He used a channel to mock something sacred to the LDS people that could not care less. So, everyone is talking HBO... they got what they wanted. So, some people when to see what an LDS Temple ceremony is on Big Love... duh!!!! Go see how Aliens speak English too! By the way, if you have not seen it there was a time when Tom Hanks one day went back to be a 12 year old boy and then found the magic thing that turned him back to adult again so he could be Forrest Gump in another movie but then he got cured of his mental impairments and piloted a rocket to the Moon and back (but he never landed there... so you know). Hello???? Movies are not real people! Go learn about the Church from the Church!
And you LDS people out there... why do you have HBO anyway? Live in the world but not be of the world. Remember that? - giasen, on 03/21/2009, -0/+0Never mind the fact that 61 countries & regions in the world still practice polygamy, I'm sure the rituals involved are just as hip. Almost as hip as a swingers party. Not to mention historical polygamy amongst virtually every population group known to man...
- carrieb30, on 03/17/2009, -0/+0There are tons of TV shows and movies that are offensive to Jews, Catholics, and Muslims ... you are just not offended by them because you are not one of them. But all of the Law and Order type shows where they are talking about Catholic priests molesting children -- I am sure that those are offesive to catholics - and 24 - depicting Muslims as terrorist - offensive. There are tons of them - and maybe you should do some research - or talk to Jews and Catholics about what they are offended about in the media - I am sure they would love to tell you.
Mormons hate to have their differences highlighted - that is all it is, you all want to blend in - or seem morally better than everyone else - but every church / religion / culture gets its day in the sun - to be highlighed for its differences - and the mormons are no different. It sells - because people want to know more about your differences.
It is so interesting that you claim that it is bigotry when you have organized and donated to deny rights to real minority. Christians are not a minority - that is why you are fair game. - mormons101, on 03/14/2009, -0/+0Do a Google search for "The Publicity Dilemma - LDS Newsroom"
- bueno40, on 03/17/2009, -0/+0HBO is of the world and for the world. They depict Muslims as terrorists and have no respect for Cathedrals and other Catholic surroundings in horror movies, etc. Not only HBO, but Hollywood as a whole. They will throw crumbs at religions now and then but if anyone has any question whether this is a vehicle of the world to sell worldly views not only of religion but family life, or whatever we hold dear and sacred and they hold trash and a good target to make fun of, or smear with their distorted views, please wake up! Why are people surprised that Tom Hanks would do that? He is friends with the gay community to start with to come out and make that stupid comment that the LDS Church is anti-American. Come on! The guy doe snot know jack of the LDS Church, grossly represents its members in his pet project, and then people are surprise that he does what he did. It is not HBO, it is Tom Hanks and he used a channel to mock everything sacred that could not care less. So, everyone is talking HBO... they got what they wanted. So, some people when to see what an LDS Temple cerimony is on Big Love... hummm... stupid people... go see how Aliens speak English too... ah... and by the way... Tom Hanks one day went back to be a boy and then found the magic thing that turned him back to adult again so he could be Forrest Gump in another movie and get cured and pilot a rocket to the Moon on another. Hello???? Movies are not real people! Go learn about the Church from the Church!
And you LDS people out there... why do you have HBO anyway? Live in the world but not be of the world. Remember that? - pencil2pen, on 03/13/2009, -1/+0I could not get this link to work.
- 89vision, on 03/10/2009, -3/+2Well said! If there is one thing I have learned about the LDS faith in 25 years of living in Salt Lake City is that it promotes hypocrisy.
- ThundergodThor, on 03/12/2009, -1/+0I often find it interesting how one can call another a name for something that they most certainly are themselves. I'm sure that in your lifetime that you have never been offended and struck out in anger for defense of your belief!? To call someone a name for that just shows your shallowness and immaturity. MY ONLY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE WHY YOU FEEL SO THREATENED BY THIS RELIGION? I know many members of the LDS faith and like most religions, nationalities, sexes, etc. it encompasses a great deal of different personalities. Don't be so quick to judge, just as I am sure you do not want anyone who doesn't know you to judge you. Like the person before me, I lived in Utah for a number of years before moving on and I have found that where ever I go the only thing not lacking are hypocrites, there will never be a shortage of them.
- abiogenesis35, on 03/14/2009, -3/+0The temple ceremonies involve a string of unethical practices that leave a person very little opportunity to change their mind.
1. You are not informed a priori what is going to happen.
2. Without any information you are asked if you want to change your mind before the doors are shut not to be reopened until the ceremony is over.
3. The doors are closed and leaving is discouraged.
4. You have all of the pressure of family and friends surrounding you who would be very disappointed in your "unfaithfulness", "rebellion", and "unworthiness" if you were to not follow through by performing the entire ceremony.
5. The expectancy of a mission or a wedding in the following days. You would need to cancel your mission or wedding if you did not follow through with all that entails. This would include contacting all of the wedding guests. Many people would suspect "immoral behavior" because you were not marrying in the temple. The same would be true of not serving a mission after backing out of the temple ceremony. This would greatly influence the person’s standing in the Mormon community, their prospects for marriage, and many friendships would be strained.
6. During the ceremony you swear before god, angels, and witnesses under threat of death pre-1990 and currently under threat of eternal punishment not to reveal what you have learned.
7. Many people feel disoriented after the washings and anointings particularly in the past when you were naked other than a poncho with no sides.
8. You are subjected to the identity masking practice of dressing identically in white with everyone else in the room.
9. You are subject to the disempowering practice of dressing in odd temple robes, faux fig leaf aprons, and unusual hats.
10. Many people are confused and disoriented by the fact that their family and friends in attendance have participated in these bizarre ceremonies repeatedly in the past and have been pressuring you participate too.
11. Many people are also dismayed or concerned that they are participating in secret oaths and combinations that are forbidden by the Book of Mormon. - dilberter, on 03/10/2009, -8/+2I like this guy's take on it from livingwithmormons dot com
"The LDS Church has officially stated that “as an institution (it) does not call for boycotts…” and “Latter-day Saints should conduct themselves with dignity and thoughtfulness…”
To which LDS members replied ‘***** that! We’re ***** canceling if they don’t stop this *****.”"
LOL!
Hilarious! This coming from members who are at the ready when their "sacred" church calls them to act against basic human rights as in donating millions of dollars to tell people whom they should love.
Hypocrites.
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