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- Soniti, on 10/12/2007, -6/+52I like how Dave gets pissed when someone laughs at his work.
Correct me if I'm wrong- Isn't Chapelle supposed to be a comedian?
~Soniti - lcarsdeveloper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32Direct link to Youtube (PanAndScan is slow)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnmlfzWwfU8 - DontSayFanboy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32"Anyway I don't understand why Dave is so upset over this stuff. It's no different than what Carlos Mencia does.."
I think that's exactly the point. Carlos Mencia is anything but funny, he is a disgrace. If that's the kind of show comedy central wanted to push on Chapelle, then I don't blame him for walking off. Frankly, this skit was the least funny thing I've ever seen him do. It doesn't say anything clever about stereotypes, and neither does Ned Mencia clubbing you over the head with the word beaner.
The skit where he played a blind KKK member who didn't know he was black was a clever play on stereotypes. The Player Haters Ball had some funny caricatures of the old black pimp stereotype. Dressing up in blackface and telling a ***** to eat fried chicken or telling a mexican to buy leopard seat covers with a bad accent is just plain stupid. - chubbyduck, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19There really does have to be more to this than one sketch. I mean really, you've been given creative control of your show haven't you? Couldn't you say, re-write it until you have something funny and more substantial than a minstrel talking about fried chicken? I'm guessing Dave couldn't take the pressure and knew that he wasn't writing anything past a formula of racial "woogie-boogie" sketches and was afraid he would jump the shark.
- gamabunta, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19If he left because of this then he's a damn hypocrite. He had no problem making fun of white people during the first 2 seasons. Just because a white guy laughed at blackface he decides that's too much and has to go to Africa? I'm sure he found it acceptable if Charlie Murphy laughed at his white impressions. I find it funny how he all of a sudden developed a conscience and began to criticize people for finding stereotypes funny. The only reason why people laugh at these is because they are so damn exaggerated. By constantly talking about them he is only making a bigger issue out of the stereotypes than they really are.
Before his death Pryor said he passed the torch to Chappelle, but I doubt Pryor would have been such a bitch about the whole issue. When Pryor came back from Africa he did say he would stop using the word ***** because he realized "there really are no *****" but even he realized people understood comedy to be comedy and nothing more. - bedouin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Here's the problem.
Most people on Digg are relatively educated and probably middle or upper class. Unfortunately, that doesn't represent the majority of America -- the so-called Middle America who maybe only knows one black guy, has never met an Asian, and thinks Arabs include Pakistanis and Indians too.
For that population the comedy behind all of Dave's skits is totally missed and it's just "***** acting stupid." That's what's bothering him. If it were the average person commenting here, I don't think he would have left.
I don't really believe it's the whole racial thing though that really sent him over -- not by itself. I just don't think he wanted the fame or the money; it corrupts people and diminishes their drive. Think of your favorite musician; they probably did their best work when they were living in a loft eating Cherrios and Ramen for months on end. - steveoco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9If you took the whole first season of his show, swapped Dave with Christopher Walken, and did the exact opposite of Dave's skits race wise.
Basically making fun of blacks, would the show last? Would there be outrage?
I hate the racial double standard. - orbitalpunk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12he gets mad at someone for laughing at his show? its comedy, not a documentary!
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9That was hilarious, and besides, he makes fun of practically everyone. When he makes fun of white people, I am not offended at all. The way I've always thought about it is that when people make fun of stereotypes, they discredit people who are racist.
- MrTranscendence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"There has to be a conspiracy for everything, doesn't there? The sad part is thats such a crappy conspiracy theory."
Er - chappelletheory is pretty obviously a joke. (It's been hypothesized, and I don't necessarily disagree, that Chappelle himself may be behind it.) - jerbaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6What you are saying is that no one identifies with a white stereotype character so it's funny, but that black people identify with a blackface character and so it's offensive. That really seems like you are suggesting that black people fit closely with the blackface stereotype which makes it offensive. If that is not the case, your argument doesn't make sense.
There is a fundamental flaw in most people's political correctness. It's called a double-standard. Think of it this way: If I were to say that I love the Mexican culture because of how festive they are, no one would bat an eyelash. Now just change the love to hate and festive to dirty and suddenly it becomes a gross generalization and racist. Funny how that works isn't it? Of course we all know the reason why that is. It's because people have no problem with generally positive generalizations, but negative generalizations are just terrible.
Man, now I'm all worked up. I gotta go smack a hippy. - thejadedmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11That was stupid. I think my IQ just dropped.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5if you're going to play in "offensive" teritory, then you better be very funny
the whiteface guy bit was funny near the end, when the other guy could see him
most of the rest of it was just dumb, no energy, just mean and nasty and thrashing around - shango5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I don't think that some of you are getting the point. He wasn't mad at the white guy for laughing at his joke. He was mad at himself for believing that he was helping a problem but actually making it worse. I'm not saying that he did make it worse but obviously he felt that he was. Right or wrong it takes strong belief to walk away from a 50 million dollar contract.
- jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Well, how ***** up of Chappelle. Not enough white guilt in the audience for him I guess. Either way, he got his $$$, Comedy Central broke the contract and is airing anything else he made, and Mencia is cashing in by turning this exact sketch into an entire weekly show. All win-win-win as far as I can see.
- CMBlue, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5So lemme get this straight. He makes jokes and when someone laughs at them he gets pissed? That's rather confusing.
Maybe Dave is the one that needs to grow a sense of humor, if you don't want people to laugh at racist jokes DON'T MAKE THEM. - davehendrix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Hmmm. I wonder if he would have left if he saw a black guy laughing at his white-face performance? He paints his face like a whilte guy and makes fun of whites all the time...and that never stopped him.
I guess gammabunta already made this point above.. - eyevariety, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think it should be obvious that Chappelle helped to write the skit! He did not leave over something he wrote. This is a ridiculous assumption- his humor is always about going to places that are uncomfortable in their racial commentary. How can you even enjoy his show if you are so shallow as to believe he would leave over this.
- psychomantis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The lost episodes already hit the net you can find then in various tracker sites
- Ignignokt01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Frankly, this skit was the least funny thing I've ever seen him do. It doesn't say anything clever about stereotypes, and neither does Ned Mencia clubbing you over the head with the word beaner.
The skit where he played a blind KKK member who didn't know he was black was a clever play on stereotypes. The Player Haters Ball had some funny caricatures of the old black pimp stereotype. Dressing up in blackface and telling a ***** to eat fried chicken or telling a mexican to buy leopard seat covers with a bad accent is just plain stupid."
Dontsayfanboy, thank you for being the first person to say it in such a clear manner. This is exactly why Dave freaked out. If you still don't understand why, maybe you need to check your own self, and examine what constitutes as racism in your own opinion.
There was no reason to laugh at this sketch. It isn't making fun of racism, it is supporting racism. Dave just accidentally crossed over that very fine line, and its some scary *****. - umdebaba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Because we all know race is an indicator of how well your grammar is...
- starkistuna, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3At least he is free , imagine signing that contract and be hancuffed to something you dont want to do for a couple of years..
Ill take block party or new standup from him anyday over so-so episodes of chappelle's show.
We had 2 seasons and every episode is golden Its really hard to come up with that amount of material without repeating yourself and always be fresh.
Now he can start producing new material and well all download it first and then BUY it.
PUMP those dvd extras up - they reallly do matter. - SenorBudd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"I aporrogise."
That dude is funny!
I isn't white, Dave. So don't get mad at me. lol - sjmiller85, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why would Chappelle just up and leave?, He obviously had the biggest show on comedy central, and was becoming an icon in the underground and mainstream community, with love coming from the black community, and some of his closest friends, Mos-Def and Talib Kweli who have roots in Bed Stuy, New York. I believe that this was something bigger. A man does not just walk away from this success because he saw some guy laughing "at" his work.
- spidoman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Exacty, hit the nail on the head.
- TheWriteGuy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Lately I've wondered if a similar personal crisis of conscience might hit Aaron Magruder in regards to his show, The Boondocks. He's already taking a sabbatical from doing the comic strip version. I really enjoy The Boondocks series, but, not being black, I wince when the characters so casually say the N-word a lot (and it's A LOT).
- scb0825, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1video is dead. dugg mirror anyone??
- fohf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wish he wouldn't have quit making the show regardless of how people reacted to this one skit. The first lost episode was hilarious! especially the revenge skit and the tupac song. personally, I didn't think this racial stereotype skit was offensive, but I also didn't find it humorous. it just wasn't funny.
- RAT-Man, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Unfunny as usual.
- thebeaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's true. I've NEVER met a white person who didn't speak like an Oxford scholar. He must be one of those... ew... minorities.
God. Some people on Digg. I was hoping the internet would inform people about other cultures and ethnicities... not just keep making people dumber and dumber. - Comrade, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I thought the skit was funny, and made a good point. But if Chappelle wanted to quit over that, then so be it. I enjoyed the first two seasons and the "lost eps," so better he go out on top anyway.
I just hope he doesn't get out of the game altogether... I still look forward to more Chappelle standup. Hopefully, he'll address this situation in future acts. - luke--, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Mind of Mencia might be funny to some hispanic people. But I'm not hispanic and I think it seems pretty lame just exploiting hispanic stereotypes all the time. It's not even creative.
- Kupotek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The sketch wasn't very good when taking into account Dave's brilliant works, but I didn't see it as something horrible or a bad influence either.
I think Dave was at a bad place mentally and overeacted to how someone was laughing about the sketch and he just crossed the line.
He just snapped. I think Dave is a pretty amazing man, very talented, I play World of Warcraft like twice a week, but there was a time I played all the time. - GenoBaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't think this is the reason Dave left the show. His regular comedia act consist of a lot of racial subject matter.
- rrnsd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0your right it might be funny, to morons of which some might be hispanic, but this mexican sees mencia's hack comedy for what he it is. He's a poor mans dave chappell/lewis black/george lopez hybrid, and even that is given him to much credit.
- cozinator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"I'm guessing Dave couldn't take the pressure and knew that he wasn't writing anything past a formula of racial "woogie-boogie" sketches and was afraid he would jump the shark."
He was reportedly getting $55 million to do to more seasons. Even if he did jump the shark, would it matter after that? He'd still be set for life. - ngmcs8203, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Chubbyduck
"I mean really, you've been given creative control of your show haven't you? Couldn't you say, re-write it until you have something funny and more substantial than a minstrel talking about fried chicken?"
That is why he left. He felt forced into writing these sketches.
There is an obvious difference between this sketch and those that were written the first two seasons and that is the aggressive jokes on stereotypes. DontSayFanboy said it best:
"The skit where he played a blind KKK member who didn't know he was black was a clever play on stereotypes. The Player Haters Ball had some funny caricatures of the old black pimp stereotype. Dressing up in blackface and telling a ***** to eat fried chicken or telling a mexican to buy leopard seat covers with a bad accent is just plain stupid." - ifthe21stcentu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0A dugg mirror won't help, the video's been removed from youtube, so we'll need it reposted on youtube, or google video perhaps.
- MSIGuy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5"I isn't white"
Well your grammar shows it. - gdawg27, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I can understand the struggle Chappelle had/has with people understanding his humor. There was a Spike Lee movie released a few years ago called, "Bamboozled" where a failing black tv show writer decides to create a modern day minstrel show w/blackface in order to repulse the tv audience and instead what happens is the show becomes a hit.
Dave Chappelle gets 55 million because his show is doing phenomenal. Arguably, the aspect of the show that the viewing audience enjoys the most is Chappelle's take on stereotypes. Maybe, he had an epiphany when he was filming the blackface bell boy character (which was most likely done on some blue/green screen soundstage) and he saw a white crew member laughing at him. Maybe he thought, "Hmm. This character is ridiculous but if the network finds the audience liking him, they might make him recurring". I do recall him mentioning in interviews how he found that after each season there was more network involvement. Or maybe he thought, "Does this guy understand the point I'm trying to make dressing up in this mortifying outfit?" Who knows?
Looking at the sketch as a whole, I noticed that all the stereotypical "consciences" are based on Hollywood stereotypes. Was that deliberate or just coincidental? - ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
That skit is genius. It really puts things in perspective. He uses these extreme characters that use the racial stereotypes and makes them and their stereotypes look exactly how they are: ridiculous. The "black face" character from the turn of the century, the "50's white dad" he "Mexican with the sombrero" all purporting these stereotypes... the out of date characters show just how irrelevant the stereotypes are today. Actually, correction: they're only as relevant as you AS AN INDIVIDUAL make them to yourself. And it's like saying "if you take that stereotype seriously, then you must be that guy" in reference to the character.
I'm half white and half hispanic and I love Carlos Mencia's and Dave Chappele's show.. it's only by taking what makes us different and being able to talk and laugh about it can we get all that b/s out of the way and then start to further explore so many more things that make us the same. - redsox91, on 02/11/2009, -0/+0He isn't offended because someone laughed at it, it was the way he laughed at it.
He felt like he was laughing at him instead of with him.
Its a big difference and he felt like he was beginning to go down a bad path of keeping his race down for laughs.
In my opinion, that was the only option he had left.
If the audience starts laughing at stereotypes, instead of laughing at the subtleties of the skits, then it isn't worth keeping on the air. - NatsuMatto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You know, whatever.
If he wants to quit his show, that is certainly his business, but to blame it on this... so ridiculous. You can't control how people react to your work... Oh, a white guy didn't "laugh the RIGHT way." I got news for you, people of EVERY race watching that sketch are laughing at it because you're dancing around like an idiot minstrel. You're acting dumb, doing crazy moves, and talking in a silly voice. People aren't watching that saying "aha, he's lampooning the stereotypical attitudes many of us have inside ourselves! How clever and droll!" Give me a break.
He IS right in some ways, though. I find that mostly younger people watched his show, and man of them certainly aren't capable of seeing this as "satire." Whether it IS satire, or just a way to cash on on stereotypes for laughs is another issue. - CptHook207, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Honestly what does he think that people will not laugh. Its a joke and so what its sterotypical, most humor from him has been that way and thats why hes popular.
- Juke, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8Look at submitter's history.
Spam. - ExtremeRyno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 I didn't see anything to really differentiate this sketch from his earlier sketches. It was amusing. It certainly wasn't up to par with the Rick James sketches, but I got a few laughs. :) To become upset that this causes adverse reaction to racial stereotypes is just asinine. People (teens and adults) for the most part understand that his is a humorous sketch and take it for what it is. White people most likely won't be shamed by the dancing. Hispanics won't get pissed about the leopard skin seats. Asians most likely won't be angered by the "rrrr" scene. Black people most likely won't be aggitated by the fried chicken. Stereotypes are seldom taken seriously. The majority of people influenced by stereotypes are simply uneducated. Racism begot racism in many cases. If a child is raised in an environment of hate, the child may hate as an adult. However, if said child is educated, goes to college, lives in the "real" world, then the racism may linger for a while but should deteriorate through real life experience.
As for someone above saying something about middle-class Americans not knowing people of other races...Wow...What an idiot. A large percentage of middle-class Americans are indeed white, but so are a fairly decent chunk of other races. If you live in any large city, you will come across all races and creeds on a daily basis. Literally, my neighbors on one side of my house are Hispanic, the home on the other side are black and the next door down are Iranian. This is, from my experience, a fairly typical middle-class neighborhood within a large city. There are certain areas of town which are predominantly one race or another, but there are always other races mixed in there.
As said by someone else, this can't really be the reason he left the show. There is more to it than the way a white guy laughed at his jokes. I don't see how this sketch could cause any uproar because it's really not any worse with the stereotype slinging than many of his others. - shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3well i liked the way he satirised modern society....
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