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- oldhick, on 10/10/2007, -6/+47How does that change the fact that Rather passed forged documents off as the real thing on the air? We all already know that Senators sons get preferential treatment. The key is not to lie and use un-vetted information to say so...
- MajorD, on 10/10/2007, -19/+44I miss Dan.
- MaynardJK, on 10/10/2007, -7/+31He probably did receive special treatment. That still doesn't make it ok for a "journalist" to fabricate evidence of it. Dan Rather is wrong to sue. He should have checked his sources.
What happens when a journalist has a grudge against you but has no evidence? Is it ok if he just pulls something out of his ass and calls it proof? - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -12/+32The documents were proven to be forged.
He was fired for lying, not for "speaking the truth".
Are you a troofer? - SickMonkey, on 10/10/2007, -25/+44The story of Bush being AWOL was true, but the documents (which were given to CBS by a GOP plant) were fake. Dan reported what he was given, the Network threw him under the bus, and the story died. Meanwhile, Kerry's admirable war record was Swift-boated.
This is really a story about one of the greatest campaign swindles pulled in American history. It is an act of pure evil genius that ultimately led to George Bush's re-election. I suspect one day we will learn that Karl Rove was behind it. - allaboutdatiki, on 10/10/2007, -3/+21So what's the frequency?
- thcobbs, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17"which were given to CBS by a GOP plant"
Care to document that? - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14I wonder of the lawsuit filed was typed on a 1972 IBM Selectric Typewriter or did he just use MS Word and run it through the copier a few times?
- Etchii, on 10/10/2007, -10/+22He does GREAT reporting on HDNET now. Seriously, its worth a watch...its nothing like any other news show broadcast on US Cable Networks..(aka fair reporting).
- jthomp3120, on 10/10/2007, -46/+56buried for description suggesting Dan Rather is wrong to sue. George Bush did receive very special treatment when he was stationed with the texas air guard. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#vietnam
- Svengalus, on 10/10/2007, -9/+18He should have checked the facts/evidence before trying to break a story this big. It was the equivalent of the prosecutors in the O.J. trial having him try those gloves on, guilty or not you just ruined your case.
- oldhick, on 10/10/2007, -8/+15Good ole GW getting preferential treatment in the guard is not the issue. I think we all know he did. Politicians kids have been getting special treatment at least as far back as when Fogerty was writing songs and probably before that.
The issue is that Dan Rather passed off forged documents as real. I love investigative journalism and all for bringing on the dirt, just check your facts and present the truth. - Charlotte_Web, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm
The forgerer was stupid enough to produce the documents on a computer, which produces perfect fontagraphy and positioning, rather that on a typewriter of the time period.
The forgerer, Bill Burkett, was then forced to admit that the documents were not originals, but claimed he transcribed them from the originals. Or course, the officer whose name appears on the documents was long since deceased, so there's no one to verify the authenticity of the content. - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8ROVE!!!1!!!!1!!!1!!1one!!
Of course we know who is really pulling the strings, Zombie Reagan. - JigoroKano, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7FTA
By his own rendering, Mr. Rather was little more than a narrator of the disputed broadcast, which was shown on Sept. 8, 2004, on the midweek edition of “60 Minutes” and which purported to offer new evidence of preferential treatment given to Mr. Bush when he was a lieutenant in the Air National Guard.
Instead of directly vetting the script he would read for the Guard segment, Mr. Rather says, he acceded to pressure from Mr. Heyward to focus instead on his reporting from Florida on Hurricane Frances, and on Bill Clinton’s heart surgery.
Mr. Rather says in the filing that he allowed himself to be reduced to little more than a patsy in the furor that followed, after CBS — and later the outside panel it commissioned — concluded that the report was based on documents that could not be authenticated. Under pressure, Mr. Rather says, he delivered a public apology on his newscast on Sept. 20, 2004 — written not by him but by a CBS corporate publicist — “despite his own personal feelings that no public apology from him was warranted.” - bobbknight, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Wow I love all this Vietnam War *****, on the one side we have people who praise the draft dodgers who ran to Canada and were later pardoned by President Carter. Which by the way is the only thing he did that was worth a crap.
Then you have the other side, where if you didn't serve in the Military your just wrong if you criticize it.
Could the documents have been created in the time frame that was reported, yes.
Was it likely that they were, no.
The word processor that was available at the time that could have made the documents, the IBM Selectric Composer was probably not part of Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian's administrative arsenal due to size and cost.
So most likely they were forged using Microsoft Word.
Mapes and Rather failed in their due diligence to insure the voracity of the documents, this can be attributed to wishful thinking.
When the documents were acknowledged as forgeries, this is the reason they were dismissed.
I hope this goes to trial and Rather loses in a public forum.
As to the quote from Rather's mugging it's: " What's the frequency, Kennith? "
http://www.ape-o-naut.org/innuendo/ - doggy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9this is the stupidest lawsuit that I have heard of, he left cbs willingly, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is after the money because his hd program is not going welll
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+61. Become journalist.
2. Blatantly lie.
3. Get fired.
4. Sue for PROFIT!!! - TWINFM, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5zombie reagan vs dennis kucinich in 08.
Of course zombie reagan will just eat kucinich's brains to gain his courage - Error601, on 10/10/2007, -6/+11The amazing part is the retards that STILL think the report is true. It's like the dumb ***** 9/11 "truthers". Political parties truly make people stupid.
- thcobbs, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5"The RUMOR was reported in the New York Post. Rawstory.com reported on it as well." < emphasis mine >
Yeah, gotcha.... YOU even admit is a rumor when you stated it as a FACT in your first argument. If I tried to do that in defense of Bush, I'd be buried deeper than the Marianas Trench... but since you're attacking Bush... THUMBS UP all around. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6ROTFLMFAO
Somehow I doubt anyone who want's to believe Dan Rather's story will have any remote idea of what you are talking about.
More attention should be paid to the fact that a blogger can expose BS MSM stories - GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5The lawsuit alleges that the memos were authentic.
Were they? You decide.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/au ... - GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Owned! lolz
- cawpin, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8It doesn't matter if he made them or not. Journalists should check their facts before they publish their works.
- WaterJake, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Dan Rather lost credibility. You can't have some one lacking in credibility as your prime news anchor, theoretically at least. Once the document scandal came to fruition, Rather was finished on network television forever.
- thcobbs, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4As long as they don't zoom in too close when I've got the quality all the way up.
- adiosjefe, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5It's the American way. You screw up and then you sue someone about it. Be a man Dan. Suck it up and take responsibility for what you did.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Sour grapes. Litigation is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
- diggSJaustin, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8And to think some people accuse liberals of being paranoid.
- bender240, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Here's a link to the wikipedia "memogate"/killian document article for those wanting more background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memogate
...wait, is this the wrong link... i'm still on my first coffee of the day, and 2004 seems like it was over 15 months ago...? - KKat, on 10/10/2007, -8/+11In related news, the captain of the Exxon Valdez sues Exxon for firing him and making it difficult for him to work again as a captain. "The environmentalists gave me bad maps!" he claimed in his lawsuit. "Nevermind that they were of Mexico and I should have realized when I saw them I was in Alaska!". When questioned if he had been given bad maps by an low-level Exxon operative who wanted the oil shipped to Mexico, he said, "That's impossible!!!! Oil companies NEVER make mistakes or commit fraud!!!! It NEVER EVER HAPPENS!!!!"
When your crediblity is shot Dan, stop digging. - HarryBauzonia, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4No sweetheart. They were proven to be false. They were made in MS Word.
Maybe you don't know but we didn't have PC's then (or Word). It may also surprise you to know that phones had a rotary dial instead of buttons and no one had ever heard of digital watches at the time.
Anyway, they were proven to be false.
Maybe you could go to the library and read up on it yourself instead of demanding the rest of us "prove" it to you. Apparently you never followed the story when it was happening, or maybe you just weren't old enough to be interested. - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3$50 to anyone who can find a way to post that .gif in the comments section. OK, how about someone posting a superscripted TH.
- compdude32, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Thanks SickMonkey I haven't laughed like that in years, I am not sure what part is funniest:
your claim the story is true
The claim that it is a GOP consipiracy
The claim that CBS threw Rather under the bus
or Your claim that Kerry has an admirable war record.
Man it is really hard to choose which of your falsehoods is the funniest. - billmccartney, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Actually, the CBS News producer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mapes who brought it to him should have check it for validity.
- GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The description is the first paragraph of the NY Times story. It's a copy and paste Digg post.
- GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Lead anchors are also editors. Tim Russert is Washington Bureau Chief for NBC News. Dan Rather was more than just a narrator.
- compdude32, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Yea I guess it takes balls to try to fraudulently change the outcome of an election. But then again this is the liberal way, they can't win elections on ideas so they try to win them through lies.
- Etchii, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I will digg your comment, you are entitled to your opinion and I can see where you are coming from..
Personally I've gotten the impression from watching his show numerous times that he tries to show the view points of both "sides" when talking left wing and right wing.
Not everything has to be left or right, its called the middle. - MikeonTV, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2if your going to capitalize the word 'files' you should do it to 'against' aswell.
- Svengalus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I love it. That incident is going to set a interesting precedent for democrat speakers. How long should I let the insane guy rant?
- Wacer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Goes to show how they coerce reporters to only talk about things that don't rock the boat of powerful families and politicians. I think most reporters are nothing more than people who babble a preset script the corporate system makes for them. It's amazing how the news on the Internet versus television are drastically different.
- TheAthlon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Good point. As I recall it came out that the document experts hired by CBS told the producers of the segment that since the document was a copy, it could never be proven to be genuine, it could only be proven to be false.
Going forward with the segment and making the claims they did was career suicide for Dan and his producer.
The truth is Dan and his cohorts so wanted this information to be true that they went ahead and reported it as fact and damn the torpedoes. So Dan lost his job-because he deserved to lose it! - eatkitten, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4dan rather is a tuna ass.
- rowlodge, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5i liked the way he didn't take anybody as more important than anybody else, including reporters. i would of retired and taken the money and run though.
- gkiltz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3 It does not matter whether or not George Bushe did or did not receive special treatment in the Texas National Guard! The issue is whether the document in question CAME ANYWHERE CLOSE to being genuine, let alone proving that point!
Even IF the document in question was a legit second or third generation photocopy(That is a copy of a photocopy, possibly of a photocopy!) the most it was capable of proving is that, in the 1960s at least, the Texas National Guard was poorly run, which was long since old news by that time!
You flat out CANNOT VERIFY THE ORIGIN OF A PHOTOCOPY! A cleaver trixter can simply do too many things to it that you'll never prove.
It is clear that someone allowed their own personal DEEP SEATED PERSONAL HATE for George W Bush to taint the report in many ways. Whether Dan Rather was actually the perpetrator, he at least was fully aware that the story was tainted by someone's emotions. Clearly he shared those emotions so deeply that he could not report on that story! OBJECTIVITY IS A GOAL, IT IS SOMETHING EVERY JOURNALIST SHOULD STRIVE FOR, FAIRNESS IS A PREREQUISITE TO BRANDING YOURSELF AS A JOURNALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When your own emotions reach that level, you need to recuse yourself from the story. Dan Rather KNEW THAT VERY WELL! As a professional, he needed to recuse himself from that story, and admit he could not be fair, let alone objective!
It takes someone with quite a large ego to do what Dan Rather did for so many years, and, that, I suppose is the nature of network television, but
if he sees what happend to him over this as scapegoating, he goes beyond egotistical, and has crossed the line into delusional. -
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