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- popzero, on 05/08/2009, -0/+16It's just a jump to the left
And then a step to the right - sbcea, on 05/08/2009, -0/+8Perfect timing (yes ... pun intended) ... "All Good Things" just began as I came upon this post.
- DaNuKaSAN, on 05/09/2009, -3/+8Time is to Sci-Fi, what twitter is to the internet.
Overrated. - seantubridy, on 05/09/2009, -0/+4There is no such thing as time, only motion. Time is how we categorize that motion.
http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time - inactive, on 05/09/2009, -1/+4This is slightly off-topic, but does anybody else get upset by the movie/TV concept that a point on Earth (or anywhere else) is in exactly the same place hours, days, or centuries in the past or future? Like that point isn't constantly moving in spacetime.
- DivisibleByZero, on 05/09/2009, -0/+3OK, I hate to go all nerdy here, so I'll just pick one of these to bash: "6) If you blow up a time-travel device, all of the changes that a time-traveler has already made to history will be undone. This is the operating principle in Voyager's "Year Of Hell Part 2," where Janeway blows up the Krenim time machine and suddenly everything is returned to the way it was before the Krenim started meddling with time-travel."
The Krenim ship had a weapon that would remove its target from history, thereby changing history by "undoing" anything that object would have done. The only reason things ended the way they did was because the weapon ended up erasing itself from history. - wstrucke, on 05/09/2009, -0/+3i forgot about "Time's Arrow" -- excellent TNG episode
- inactive, on 05/09/2009, -1/+3Reading this website felt like a discussion of LOST I would have had with one of my friends.
- philb0t5000, on 05/09/2009, -0/+2Or is it? If the B theory of time is true, than there is no past, present, or future. All things are happening at the same time. Einstein himself believed that Henry VIII was still alive, he was in his time period, but alive at the same "time" we are.
So sure, it is late, but it is also early. - geoman2k, on 05/09/2009, -0/+2still doesn't matter. earth's gravity keeps time travelers in place.
that's my story and i'm sticking to it - kevro, on 05/09/2009, -0/+2Try as you might, you will simply never succeed because if you had in the past you wouldn't have thought to in the future.
- inactive, on 05/09/2009, -0/+2EXTERMINATE!
- MrBogard, on 05/09/2009, -0/+2Buried for assuming that you get to chose what is or is not canon.
- ZestyNinja, on 05/09/2009, -0/+2Based on special relativity, time dilation exists (and has been proven). However, the problem with 'time travel' is that it requires speeds very close to that of light which we don't have the resources or technology to achieve. Going backwards in time would require speeds faster than the speed of light, which is theoretically impossible due to limitations of the Lorentz factor.
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I didn't read the article and I'm drunk. Please let me know if I am wrong because I don't want to fail my classes on relativity and quantum physics. I figure if I can be correct on digg, I can be correct in class as well.
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So I read the article and it has little to do with actual relativity. I suppose I should have realized this when delved into the realm of sci-fi with star trek.
edit 3 out of time - scamper22, on 05/09/2009, -0/+2Forget Star Trek Time travel.
12 Monkeys did it best. - philb0t5000, on 05/09/2009, -0/+2"I think that one of two things will happen if you time travel" By stating that, your second point has no purpose.(Edit: I don't mean this as a response to prove you wrong, just merley using it to discuss "The Grandfather Paradox") The conclusion of your second point, "The Grandfather Paradox", is that you could not travel back in time if those events happened. But you started off by saying "if you time travel".
So then, if you do travel back in time, it seems you create tangents in the timeline creating alternate futures, or you do not travel back in time but rather, you enter into a parallel universe, where up untill your arrival the events in said universe were the same in yours. There are also self-consitincy theories that say that if you travel back in time, you cannot do anything to alter the future. I do not buy them because they result in infinite loops and do not allow for free will of which I contest does exist. - Rolcol, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1About that... if there are infinitely random universes in the multiverse, then does that mean that every story, every movie, and every television show is its own actual universe?
- inactive, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
- Rolcol, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1This has bugged me for quite a while and I'll never know the answer in my lifetime. If you were to travel back in time and kill your father before conception, what would happen to the Universe? Would everything come to an end because you just created an infinite loop? I mean... if you killed him, you wouldn't exist in the future to go back in time in the first place to kill him. Or... A paradox is created and you don't exist in that particular Universe but you do in your original one.
- inactive, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1That would seem to follow.. but then there would also need to exist a universe where none of it at all is true. :-/
- NikoKun, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1Yeah, I was about to do the same thing... God I'm such a nerd... lol
- Slym, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1I was about to launch a Doctor Who related nerd rage assault before I read the second paragraph. I still do disagree to a point.
Also, the new movie was brilliant. - DivisibleByZero, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1The thing about the paradox is that it CAN'T happen. Whether the paradox erases the entire universe, or just the parts that conflict with each other... it would have to completely erase them. So by knowing that you exist now, you also know that you will never create a paradox. So if you ever go back in time, go ahead and screw around. Either it creates an alternate universe, or increasingly implausible things will happen to prevent you from killing your grandfather.
- inactive, on 05/09/2009, -1/+2I think that one of two things will happen if you time travel
-You would create alternate futures
-You would create a possible paradox, one possibility is that you meet a distant grandparent and through your actions, somehow you were not born so you could not possibly have traveled back in time and therefore the event didn't happen.....space-time would tear a bit. - kevro, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1The earth is consistently in different places around the sun in different seasons. Our gravitational field keeps time travelers and ghosts with in our planetary boundaries in various space, times.
- Psygnosis, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1"I hate temporal mechanics"
- supermanred, on 05/10/2009, -0/+1As far as I can remember, Doctor WHO RARELY uses time travel to change the past or future. Often, the Doctor refuses to change time lines. The time travel in Doctor Who is strictly to get the Doctor to where he needs to be. The one time I can remember him changing the past or interacting with himself was to help his love Rose meet her father in the episode "Father's Day" with Chris Eccelston (Destro/GIJOE) as the Doc...
Star Trek ***** everything up with various methods of time travel and various reactions it can have.... Doctor who does it right....you CANT change certain things. - MacSuxWindozSux, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1Buried for not mentioning monkeys.
- pyromaster114, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1I lol'd at the last one.
"If you blow up a time-travel device, all the changes made with it will be undone."
Wow... so you're saying violence solves everything? - NicoNicoNico, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1I was going to, too. They made the concept of time travel in Doctor Who to be so bland.
I was also going to go into a rant about how they said "so in a sense every episode is about time travel" because there were some classic episodes where the Doctor went to Gallifrey. Those weren't about time travel, were they? *looks smug* - lordmike, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1Thanks! Now, I have a headache!
- wing05, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1John Titor and the multiverse!
- rpgmakr, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1I think what he meant is that the galaxy itself is moving...
- spookyttws, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1I have a bunch of comments on this article (as most of the other TOS fans reading this) but I'll just condense them into a easy to read (these comments suck) paragraph: It was the 60's, the world had a much different frame of mind, and SciFi television programs really didn't exist, so take TOS with a large grain of salt (hell, make it a salt lick). I'm just 23 and just finished watching all of the episodes a few months back, yes it's cheesy and yes it can be really bad, but without it we wouldn't have Battlestar or Lost or Joss Wheden for that matter.
You may not like it, but you owe it respect. - inactive, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1It's late...
- Primatelord, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1I call ***** on the 6th case because it has it totally wrong about Year of Hell part 2. The power of that ship was to erase something from history i.e. its a weapon that destroys that thing at its birth. The crew was able to get the ship to fire at itself, effectively destroying the ship before it went on a time-altering mission. It's a different causality mechanism than just "Destroying the machine automatically destroys everything it did." It's "Destroying the machine before it does everything it did."
- inactive, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1His point is totally sound though:
How often does the Doctor CHANGE HISTORY.
He doesn't. With a few notable exceptions. He's PART of history but he never CHANGES it.
i.e. He shows up on Earth before the Dalek Invasion of Earth. He helps defeat the Daleks, but he never goes back in time to prevent it even happening.
Genesis of the Daleks is the first real example of the Doctor interfering with an established historical event, and even then he elects NOT to kill off the Daleks pre-emptively, citing the changes to the timeline, races who wouldn't ally if not for the threat of Daleks, etc.
The Last of the Time Lords is one of the few new series episodes with a timeline changing storyline, when he erases the Master's ruling Earth.
Doctor Who does more time travelling, yes, but he doesn't change time much at all. Which is really what the article meant. - wracker92, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1More Gawker SPAM.
- inactive, on 05/17/2009, -0/+0Yup.
- kihadat, on 05/09/2009, -1/+1These paradoxes are much easier to understand once you realize time travel is absolutely impossible. It won't happen in your lifetime or in the lifetime of any human. So, you can pretty much stop thinking at "if you were to travel back in time."
- IFEice, on 05/09/2009, -1/+1Except that only smart people watch a Sci-Fi like Star Trek, as opposed to twitter being a bad representation of the already dumb enough internet.
- Logrusmage, on 05/09/2009, -0/+0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY_Ry8J_jdw
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.
I'm sorry but this beats Trek. - batkung, on 05/09/2009, -0/+0too, many, commas..or maybe, it was written, shatner-style.
- inactive, on 05/17/2009, -0/+0My problem with the multi-verse idea is that, taken to the natural extreme, there must be a universe out there with beings able to travel from one universe to another. Moreover, there must be a universe out there where beings with this ability have chosen to travel to our universe. There must also be a universe out there where beings with this ability have chosen to travel to our universe and have chosen to appear in front of me and reveal themselves. Obviously, there are no universe hoppers in the room with me right now revealing themselves, moreover we're not flooded with tourists from a parallel universe where they like to hop to ours and reveal themselves, etc., therefore the multi-verse theory is wrong.
- inactive, on 05/09/2009, -2/+1It's astounding, time is fleeting
Madness takes its toll
But listen closely, not for very much longer
I've got to keep control
I remember doing the TIme Warp
Drinking those moments when
The blackness would hit me and the void would be calling
Let's do the time warp again...
Let's do the time warp again!
It's just a jump to the left
And then a step to the right
With your hands on your hips
You bring your knees in tight
But it's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insane,
Let's do the Time Warp again!
It's so dreamy, oh fantasy free me
So you can't see me, no not at all
In another dimension, with voyeuristic intention
Well-secluded, I see all
With a bit of a mind flip
You're there in the time slip
And nothing can ever be the same
You're spaced out on sensation, like you're under sedation
Let's do the Time Warp again!
Well I was walking down the street just a-having a think
When a snake of a guy gave me an evil wink
He shook me up, he took me by surprise
He had a pickup truck and the devil's eyes.
He stared at me and I felt a change
Time meant nothing, never would again
Let's do the Time Warp again! - kstephens, on 05/09/2009, -1/+0I only got one thing from this article ... Uhura.
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