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- spikes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+49Yeah I love ISOHunt too. Oh yeah, they happen to be an fscking awesome employer as well. ;-)
Its great to be in a group that are so devoted to what they love, the work they do and total dedication to supporting their fanbase/users.
Finally, the MPAA/RIAA/BSA/MAFIAA can suck the big one. - Phatt138, on 10/12/2007, -2/+40bonchx - First, the artists get pennies on the RIAA dollar for album sales anyway. Their money comes from touring. Further, if you'll think back, these conglomerates who are 'protecting their intellectual property' have been accused on more than one occasion of short-changing the artists they proport to protect. A quick Google search might remind you of this little gem: http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=14495
All of that aside, the consumer is being flooded with increasingly inferior product while the price is swelling steadily. A consortium like the RIAA typically finds an artist with one or two good songs in them, leeches them for all they're worth creatively, spends pennies putting out CDs which - as they're well-aware - are carried primarily by individual singles, and asks full-price for them.
The movie distributors are even worse. Disregarding the current state of the movie industry itself - which is creatively in the ***** - end-products like DVDs are seeing the same decline in quality accompanied by price increases. Most DVDs these days don't even come with a chapter-listing: just advertisements for other DVDs. The 'Special Features' are cutting-room-floor knicknacks that cost nothing to produce and even less to package. They never include, say, a CD version of soundtrack or something of similar usefulness. Considering that a movie's financial salience comes almost entirely from theater sales, DVDs are almost pure profit for the industry execs - NOT the artists. We're basically paying them to take something they don't even want off their hands.
Who's stealing from who here? - livestradamus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40RIA & MPAA suck donkey dick!!111
- Xanin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+35you're welcome
- rsdouglas, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21@bonchx: no - ***** the profiteering scum who exploit artists' creativity for their own financial gain.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22Finally! Thanks !
- lostboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18pirate bay isn't going to sealand, the owner refuses to sell it to them. Never mind though, TPB is still looking for an Island instead. It'll be lots cheaper too.
- soogy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Woo, thanks guys. Pirate Bay is great and all, but sometimes I just can't find everything I need there.
I was beginning to wonder if it would ever come back up. Day after day, they would update the site with something like "up tomorrow, hardware changes", only to be disappointed the next day. - thumbup, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20Ah, why exactly would anyone donate money to a site that probably makes a ton of money from ads on its site? Just because it goes down for a bit doesn't mean they don't have money in the bank. Or am I missing something?
- quic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17i love ISOhunt, and everyone else in the world should too!!!
- dumpstergames, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Another F-You towards the RIAA & Hollywood!
- rsdouglas, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14bonchx:
"1.) Artists selling their work isn't "exploiting artists' creativity." There's nothing wrong with selling your work for financial gain.
2.) You're the one exploiting artists' creativity by not paying the artist.
3.) Artists willingly sign their contracts with their record labels. Stop acting like you're doing them a favor by not paying them for their work."
I agree - there's nothing wrong with artists selling and profiting from their works, but there is something wrong with a cartel manipulating a market to the extent that it makes it so difficult for independent artists to compete. There's only one way to weaken the RIAA and that is to stop giving them money. It's a pity,but that means I won't be supporting any bands signed to RIAA labels. As an independent musician myself my bands' works are all distributed freely under a creative commons license. We pursue other, less traditional avenues to bring in revenue. As you said, artists willingly sign their contracts, knowing full well their music will be pirated, unless they happen to live under a rock.
The music industry is stuck in a strange limbo where instead of moving forward it's clinging to old ideas. I place the blame for this squarely at the feet of the RIAA.
If you want some reasons to get rid of major labels, look no further than http://www.downhillbattle.org/reasons/
Check the site out for a while - maybe you'll begin to understand a different perspective. - etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Isohunt.com is a great site because it offers a lot of obscure torrents that are difficult to find elsewhere. It's reliable and always fast, and is really a treasure in the bittorrent community. It's sad that their ISP buckled so quickly, but I can understand their reservations. Glad to see they're back though.
- Dhalgren, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Do you really think those ads pay for their bandwidth costs? Also, when you get shutdown by your ISP and relocate your servers to another country I imagine there are costs involved...
- BionicAntboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@ bonchx: what, are you really Lars Ulrich from Metallica?
EVERY single thread about torrents, you pop in with the same mantra, and never back it up with a sane argument. - straxus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@bonchx
"***** artists, and ***** their rights!"
No, ***** you for always posting the same tired comment. You remind me of Bill O'Reilly, in that you seem to think if you keep yelling the same thing loud enough and long enough, you'll make your point better somehow.
"we clearly deserve them for free because artists are our slaves."
No. Clearly, they belong to the RIAA/MPAA. - Kestral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Demonoid is great for selection but their ratio system is a little weird. It doesn't dynamically update and by my estimation, it doesn't catch all the uploads/downloads properly, which is a bit demotivating in terms of uploading.
Piratebay's selection is not so good. Usually when I want something I search Torrentspy and Isohunt first, then if it's not there I go to Demonoid. - goldfenix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5If I may:
>>Why don't I go out and murder 3 people because Hitler murdered millions.
A more apt metaphor would actually be (in keeping with your theme):
Why don't I escape from Germany rather than continue to be a passive bystander here who continues to pay taxes to the nazi party and support this world war? - Jon20usa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Awesome. They are a great site. I can always seem to find stuff on there that I can't elsewhere. Thanks isoHunt for providing such a great service!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4bonchx:
"Having people rip it off, then turn around and tell me it's the RIAA's fault ("The RIAA made me do it!") is a load of *****."
So is a music producer that only develops one or two commercially viable songs, shrink wraps them with another dozen turds, and passes it of as a finished product. The fact is most people in the industry these days don't have the experience or patience to properly develop an artist. The fan bubble pops too quickly, since most 'artists' are nothing more than ***** no-talented eye candy. The bar has been lowered so low people would rather cherry pick at a buck a track.
Even some of the better artists around are pressured to create shovel-ware in order to fill a cd. And even then they are often buying material written by someone else.
Furthermore, you know the numbers going in to the business. If you don't like them, either self-produce, or find another ***** line of work. - zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Supporting a site like isohunt is not about getting stuff for free.
You can do that anywhere. It’s about supporting the idea of file sharing.
Letting good sites get taken down and not doing anything to support the
Operators of that site shows that you don’t really care about the continued existence of file sharing.
Your willing to sit there and let others chop away at it till nothing left. I use isohunt maybe 5 to 10 times a year.
So I was more than willing to sent them a little cash that could be used to help get there site back up.
Honestly I don’t care if they used it for pot and lap dances as long as I thought it would help them in some way.
Moving a website is a pain it's costs moeny and if you have a real job on the site you have to take off time
from that real job to handle the move. I run a website that has banner ads and I could make more moeny picking up
cans off the street. It costs a lot to run a website. Time, hardware, software and a lot of redbull to keep you going
after a take down.
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Keep up the good work isohunt and welcome back to the inter-pipes. - BevansDesign, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Good to have it back. Nothing has as much tracked and is as well-organized.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Viva piracy! charging 15-18 bucks for a cd? FU! charging 10.25 for a movie ticket? FU!
- coditza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@bonchx: are your parents brother and sister?
- tryferos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I dont know where to begin with that shallow argument....
First I am not a pirate, and I dont justify piracy, but I am someone who realizes that they are fighting a battle they will never win.
And to say that they have embraced the internet is barely even close to the truth... If you want DRM'ed, crappy resolution, limited title, buggy delivery software, punish the consumer as someone who by default is a pirate then you are right. - spikes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5botchx - Yeah, sure its their "intellectual property", and thats entirely the whole problem. Its not the artists, they sell their souls just to be famous while the labels are there to milk off them like a leech.
Why don't you google "RIAA work for hire", you might just realize who the RIAA is really there for, their shareholders. They don't give a damn about the artists one bit. - Harbinger67, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I've never heard of this site before, but it looks pretty good. Can someone tell me what is "special" about isohunt in comparison to other sites like torrentz.com or somthing?
- ylikone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Probably snappier because not everybody realizes it is back up yet. They temporarily lost the majority of their traffic.
- thumbup, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ adam
I never mentioned technical difficulties, I just said 'when they go down for a bit' and they did in fact go down (because of their ISP). - MobbyG, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Woo Hoo! This is the first torrent site I really used and even though I use many more now, this one is always going to be my favorite.
- adam84a, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I think you are, they were down because they were shut down by their ISP, not because of technical difficulties.
- lostboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2if your ratio isn't being reported properly, then that could be for a number of reasons that you need to check. My ratio is working just fine on demonoid.
Please read http://www.demonoid.com/faq.php#st_5
Just so you know, I use utorrent and have had no problem with my ratio at all. Also an obvious point but make sure that your port forwarding is set up correctly. Also try relogging into demonoid website so it knows your right IP if you are dynamic. - Squeegee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Good to see them back up. I don't use them often, so I had no idea they went down. But I have used the site for years and I just go done passing a donation to them. I trust the site.
- gameface247, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3i guess nobody likes a site that does all the work, huh? weirdos
- hexydes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"And I get all that on a CD that costs a fraction of what a concert ticket would."
What fraction would that be? 1/3rd? It's not like a concert ticket costs $100 and a CD costs 10 cents. That would be a meaningful fraction.
Also regarding what you said about the recording equipment, distribution, etc. I can set all of that up on my own at almost the same level of quality for around $10,000, and then market it for free on my own locally and via the Interweb, and then distribute it via the Netterweb as well. The low cost of computers and pervasiveness of the Webbernet has pretty much removed the old barrier of entry that used to be in place for the music industry.
At the end of the day, the RIAA is similar to most unions today; served its original purpose, but has long since lived past its usefulness in present society. - stfunoobs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3ISOHUNT BACK!!!!! YIPEEE!! Thank you. There is a god. I'm an artist and songwriter, and if you are trying to give all your music away for free(which some music creators actually feel is the only ethical way to distribute music, me included) then isohunt and similar sites are the easiest and cheapest way to distribute full albums and videos. I can't stand the industry, and refuse to help them make more money by letting them distribute the music I have created. Just my two cents.
- lasdlt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why should isohunt be shut down? They are a search engine. Shutting down isohunt because you can find pirated music, movies, etc. would be like shutting down Google because you can find illegal materials on it. What's the difference? Not only that, but they have a way for copyright holders to remove their property from the search engine. Instead of working things out, these people (the ones suing isohunt) think all will be solved with a good old-fashioned American lawsuit. Get your head out of your ass. Instead of being all bent out of shape about someone "not playing by the rules," redefine the industry and remake the standard.
- UnoriginalMind, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@bonchx
Can you quit ***** saying that now? Quit trolling and get the ***** out. We pirate because they overcharge and they know it. We pirate because of the ***** they push on us. We pirate because the artists don't get the money they deserve.
The RIAA and MPAA are greedy *****. Get over it. - tryferos, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5thumbup, the money isnt the issue, its the fact the everytime something like this happens it shows that the MPAA/RIAA is powerless against piracy. Eventhough it will likely never happen its also the hope that they embrace technology instead of fight it.
- Mirag3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sweet - I gotta say, the pirate bay serves a ton of stuff, and demonoid is great, but searching those sites is like wrestling a bear. TPB especially - they have a really screwy UI and search algorithm.
- Cretius0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1 This naive rationalization will not cover up the obvious. Pirating is illegal, but it serves a purpose. Who is to judge me and say that I have to pay for something on the Internet, its my decision. People blatantly curse these government institutions, venting their senseless agitation where it will get them nowhere. As a person who enjoys free music and the beauty of the Internet, I say this, I pay for what I want.
There are two sides of this argument here, those who shallowly hate the MPAA and RIAA; and those who understand why they are so widely despised by the pirating community. I happen to understand (even if I don't appear to, it is a little late)
Everyone that pirates knows the risks that they are taking, personally, it makes me smarter.
P.S. Why do people use definite words when it only makes them stupid. I would like to note that this is not a battle between what we consider good and evil, there is no evil or good. NEVER, EVER, say that somethings serves no purpose. Personally I think that the MPAA and RIAA encourage piracy in a very twisted but ultimately true way. - martijn86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1MPAA gave ISOhunt the opportunity to expand, win publicity, re-organize.. get new servers and ISP and stuff! They made it stronger than ever!
- andrewpmk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Isohunt seems to be down again - Firefox is giving me a "problem loading page" error. Was it taken down again or it is simply suffering from a huge spike in traffic?
- lostboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3that's partially true. However Demonoid opens registrations for EVERYONE every friday. Check back next friday to register.
- PXYZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1W000t... Isohunt + Podtropolis FTW!
- theberlindoctor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Well, because of this i found other great torrent sites, like demonoid, but its great to know ISO wasnt down for the count.
Now if we can only get pirate bay onto sealand.. - Servekaos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Piracy isn't as complicated as everyone makes it out to be. When I download a song or a movie, I'm not thinking "MUAHAHAHA! ***** the RIAA/MPAA!" I just want to watch or listen.
I think it's obscene to pay $20 for a new movie that wasn't that great anyway or $16 for a CD when there are only 2 good songs.. I think it's crazy to pay $10 to see a movie in theaters. That's not to say I always exploit the system, because there have been plenty of things that I felt were worth buying. Because I can get things for free, I take advantage of that. Not because I think I'm above paying, but because I (like too many people these days) work hard and don't get very much in return. If things were more reasonably priced, then piracy probably wouldn't be that big of an issue.
Until these companies start thinking more about the consumer than themselves, which will never happen, I'll be fueling the economy in other ways. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i prefer private trackers but isohunt is the best for finding anything thats out there
- Hamsterpotpies, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1***** you MPAA!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@bonchx (every one of your comments)
You dreamed of a big star, he played a mean guitar,
He always ate in the Steak Bar.
He loved to drive in his Jaguar.
So welcome to the machine.
artist exploitation has been going on for a long time. do you work for BMG? -
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