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- abyrne10, on 11/09/2008, -1/+42FTA: "When the majority of society has no ethical conviction of wrongdoing when they violate copyright law, it’s not society that’s wrong, it’s the law. Because no one can really own ideas. Newton once said, “If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of Giants.” It’s how the arts and sciences work. We share, we inspire and we remix."
This. /MPAA - nickert0n, on 11/10/2008, -3/+17***** THE MPAA, RIAA, and R.Kelly!
- TheVirus, on 11/10/2008, -3/+16Sick and tired of these big organizations and corporations not embracing online distribution. No one wants to watch a crappy quality cam of the latest super hero movie, but I'd rather watch that than go to a theater and be annoyed by people talking, cell phones ringing, cell phone's bright LCDs, kids screaming and crying, the list goes on and on.
Also, stop price gouging us in tickets. There's no reason why Date Movie costs the same as Iron Man to see. Even if there is a standard pricing model, lower ticket prices (substantially) and pay actors less. Does Tom Cruise really deserve to get paid $50,000,000 to be in the next Mission Impossible? I'd gladly pay a few bucks a movie or a monthly subscription to get near-DVD quality movies ON theatrical release night. Millions of people have on-demand video from their TV providers, embrace it! - gothicform, on 11/10/2008, -2/+13It's going to be unfashionable to say it but some of us can actually give evidence of monetary loss when it comes to copyright infringement of our material. That said, damages should be directly related to this loss, NOT the insane sort of punitive crap they charge right now.
- dsmx, on 11/10/2008, -0/+8Under current law copyright infringement is a civil case and you can only be fined, it is not stealing by any legal definition if it was you could go to jail for it, which you can't.
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -1/+8Watch what you say or he'll piss on you.
- fakesmiles, on 11/11/2008, -0/+5And the second one IS working? Right...
- reed311, on 11/10/2008, -2/+7LOL @ someone who runs a torrent site talking about copyright abuse.
- JoeBeardie, on 11/10/2008, -0/+5I'm fairly mixed about this. I dont think its ethically correct to put up a game + crack for people to pirate, but i see no issue with putting up a crack for a game so they don't have to care about cd-checks/DRM.
- fuzzmeister, on 11/10/2008, -1/+6While it is true that remixing and such are beneficial, there must still be some semblance of copyright on the internet. You can't simply just have people producing works for nothing, a living has to be made. Even with music, it is impossible to force artists into touring to make money, they should be allowed to sell their pre-existing work.
- usbserial, on 11/10/2008, -0/+4Yes. When I search for something on TPB I almost never get what I was looking for. On isoHunt I get it 99% of the time.
- bbliss17, on 11/10/2008, -1/+5private torrent sites>>>>>>>>any public site
- shoc, on 11/11/2008, -1/+4that's precisely the point.
- AlextheK, on 11/12/2008, -0/+3You're right, of course, but it's hard to overcome the endless rationalising of the free-riders. They think they should get it for free because, well, golly, they WANT it. How dare you think they shouldn't get it whether the artist wants to give it away or not?
(This will be dug down very quickly. The truth hurts.) - vannuccisantos, on 11/10/2008, -0/+3Welcome to the real world!
- MrApocalypse, on 11/10/2008, -3/+6I don't agree with this guy, who can say it's really ethically correct to crack a game and then put it online for other people to download, its not because Hollywood and gameproducers aren't going bankrupt that it's the right thing to do.
- zeabu, on 11/11/2008, -0/+21 + 1 >>>>>>> 1
I didn't know membership/usage of bittorrentpages were unique and exclusive. - AlextheK, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2Hey, dude, that's a nice car you have there. It wants to be free. Give me the keys. Remember, there used to be laws that allowed beating kids, so I have a right to your property.
Silly as hell, I know, but sorry, that's the logic we're seeing here. - inactive, on 11/11/2008, -0/+2No - if you don't want to watch movies in the theatre then you wait for the ***** DVD release or you don't see at all.
- winampman2, on 11/11/2008, -1/+3He won't be convicted of anything. He's being sued by a corporation. He's just going to pay a lot of money if he loses.
- nickert0n, on 11/10/2008, -0/+2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4deDjDqUYA
- AlextheK, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2Sorry, you've been dug down for telling a truth that self-righteous thieves don't want to hear.
- Muler36, on 11/10/2008, -3/+4No.
- Dauntless1, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1Gee, too bad they don't offer that here in america.
- tao52nyc, on 11/10/2008, -2/+3Well, in most laws....yes. Why? Ask a law student. Copyright law is an example of "mala prohibida", acts that are only considered "bad" because they is prohibited by government, sometimes by majority vote of citizens, from drug prohibition to seatbelt usage. But there is also "mala in se" - bad by it's own nature. Laws against murder, rape, assault, robbery, etc. can't be repealed by majority vote.
- zeabu, on 11/11/2008, -3/+4There was a time that beating kids was okay. Laws aren't perfect.
- nickert0n, on 11/10/2008, -2/+3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJEw3A_QO9o&feature ...
- TSK05, on 11/10/2008, -2/+3No, that doesn't make the law wrong. Perhaps it can be repealed but it doesn't mean the majority is right to repeal it. Again, just because the majority things a law is wrong does not necessary make it wrong. He's saying "if majority says it's true, it must be" - obviously this is false.
- inactive, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1Of course if it's legally made available then go for it - why not?
- Me1000, on 11/11/2008, -4/+5The problem is, back in those days human rights were being violated. Copyright laws violate MY OWN rights to the media I have purchased...
- cyberskier, on 11/11/2008, -2/+3Not saying copyright is good or bad, but the thing that stinks for PC gamers, is that without copyright, the good developers will just move to consoles. There, they can better lock down their product from those who want to buy the game without paying their fare share of the development costs. For anyone who isn't into consoles, that stinks.
- gothicform, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1Because under British law I have to prove an actual monetary loss and have done so in court... many times. I might add, I license everything under the Creative Commons Non Commercial License which makes it even easier to prove a loss.
RIAA don't want to prove a loss because the loss of someone downloading an mp3 is not very much, certainly not worth going to court over. Someone nicking a photograph of mine and sticking it on their company's website is worth the license fee which is £375 because that's my going rate I can back up with many, many invoices.
Taking something and not paying when you are legally required always has a loss but an mp3 is what... 79 pence from iTunes? Who will sue over 79 pence? That's why they don't want to show there is a loss and instead just go for outrageous punitive damages that bear no resemblance to the harm done by the infringement.
If you like I can cite you actual court cases. - brycelb, on 11/10/2008, -2/+3I tend to agree with some of this article but I think a distinction must be made between downloading and remixing (or what ever you may call it). It is something completely different to use someones work for personal monetary gain. To me, this is where copyright law is supposed to exist. I have never felt there was a solid justification for how they viewed downloading media. Luckily we already have guidelines for how this works, and for the most part they make sense.
As a photographer, can I charge people to look at my photos once they have been sold? And when private collectors don't pay what ever price I fabricate, can I sue them? It find the whole argument put forward by the RIAA and MPAA kind of ridiculous. - Dauntless1, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1The truth that hurts is that people force changes in industry and business models by voting with their money. Basic rule of business: You want to make money, sell something people want. They don't want crappy cds that cost a dollar to produce get forced on them for one damn song that's worth it. The only power consumers have is the power of their money.The real arrogance is saying record labels are right to be asshats and demand ridiculous amounts of money because they don't want to update. Business rule number two: If you're selling something people want, and they can get a better deal somewhere else, smart consumers will go elsewhere. The businesses that deserve to stay in business are the ones that adapt to new markets and technologies the best. The ones that refuse to adapt to customer trends and new marketing techniques fail, and they deserve to. Thank you capitalism.
What makes the RIAA/MPAA so special that they deserve the business equivalent of welfare? - inactive, on 11/11/2008, -0/+1It costs me £12 a month for an unlimited cine pass- I can any movie, as many times as I choose on a proper cinema screen rather than some ***** cam version.
How can anyone argue that is unreasonable? - inactive, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1You would love it
- AlextheK, on 11/14/2008, -0/+1Hey, friend, if you think something is too expensive, don't buy it. Don't say, "It's good enough that I MUST have a copy, but not good enough to pay for." It's not water in the desert. It's a piece of software, music or film. You're not entitled to it.
- bbliss17, on 11/10/2008, -3/+3dang right....piracy ftw. I get all my shat for free.
- TSK05, on 11/10/2008, -7/+7"When the majority of society has no ethical conviction of wrongdoing when they violate copyright law, it’s not society that’s wrong, it’s the law." - Uh..so if the majority believes it to be so, it must be true? ... Violating copyright law does have ethical consequences - it's stealing in the form of monetary loss. They lose the profit they could have made. Now if you weren't going to buy it anyway then not so much, but if you were then you've stolen. Just because you don't feel guilty doesn't mean you didn't steal. Hell, I torrent all the time even when I might have bought it (effectively stealing) and don't really feel ethically "wrong" but it's still stealing and there still should be a law against it.
- Noein, on 11/10/2008, -5/+5Once upon a time "the majority of society has no ethical conviction of wrongdoing" when slavery was practiced, would you say the society was right because of that?
That's some twisted logic... and ***** MPAA. - Dauntless1, on 11/12/2008, -1/+1***** that. I already pay taxes to support welfare, I don't need to pay for artist welfare too.
- prodigitalson, on 11/10/2008, -4/+4Well its stealing in terms of current law, and arguably in terms of monetary damage. But really thats irrelevant. Because "they" cant stop it. And if you were to believe what they claim as damages, they will never re-coop their losses. That is whay it makes no sense for them to find away to use the situation to their advantage by modernizing their business model and thinking about any profit centers that dont rely soley on the thought of selling physical/digital product. Im not claiming to know what that is, I just know they are fighting a losing battle.
Then agian I wouldnt really mind al l that much if all the money went to the artists and not the producers. - Dauntless1, on 11/12/2008, -1/+1Yes, so sell it. Oh wait, they do. They sell it for 99 cents a song on a half dozen wildly popular sites, and make millions. Or, there's a few bands that don't. And look, they're the ones complaining about being the worst hurt by piracy. Gee, guess when you can't ram a cd with one good track and 14 crappy ones down someones throat you don't make as much money. Who knew?
- Dauntless1, on 11/12/2008, -2/+2Exactly! They're claiming in their lawsuits that anyone who doesn't buy a separate copy of a song for use in a home stereo(cd) home theater (mp3) computer (pick a format) car (usb drive, so again pick a format) or whatever, is a pirate. I'm not paying for the same song 15 times just because you think I should. And if you don't believe me, this subject matter is called "Changing Format" and you should see what's been said at trial already.
- Mulpacha, on 11/12/2008, -1/+0Good and insightful article.
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -5/+4well can i mine for torrents bout turtles??? i heard it were on net... plz send turtle torrent to iliketurtles@gmailbetamultiverse.cop
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