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eBay Bans Sellers from Using Google Checkout

auctionbytes.com — eBay is banning sellers from requesting payment through Google Checkout. The online auction giant updated its Safe Payments policy this week to add Google's new payment service, Google Checkout to its list of online payment methods not permitted on eBay.

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  • xose, on 10/12/2007, -7/+418So is this the "can't beat them, so ban them!" solution?
    • Popdmb, on 10/12/2007, -8/+267Second only to the "Can't beat them? Sue them" mentality of the RIAA. You'd think businesses would learn by now...
    • r2d7, on 10/12/2007, -177/+44Can't beat them??? wtf???

      Google has only won at search ... Google Checkout is not a guaranteed success, and judging by 99% of Google products, it would be a statistical anomoly if it WERE.
    • gookie, on 10/12/2007, -8/+302Gbay, anyone?
    • kenthorvath, on 10/12/2007, -12/+234I smell an anti-trust lawsuit a'coming.
    • rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -12/+258I guess eBay will have to learn the AOL lesson the hard way. I would trust Google any day over eBay.
    • panique, on 10/12/2007, -5/+87@kent, you beat me to it. I'd further add that Google is to become the primary antitrust litigation force over the next 10 years. It's sure going to cost a ton of cash to attract the best-of-the-best lawyers to work for them.
    • Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -124/+59Shocking.

      In related news, Pepsi has prevented Coca Cola from being sold in their vending machines.

      Burger King has prevented Big Macs from being sold at their restaurants.

      Nike has prevented Addidas shoes from being sold at the company store.
    • cooltom2006, on 10/12/2007, -84/+12Not Gbay, but Gbuy.
    • Seumas, on 10/12/2007, -12/+143"Gbay, anyone?"

      No.

      My friend was being silly and registered "freebay.org". Within days, eBay sent him a letter demanding that he turn "freebay.org" over to them. He explained that it was not going to have anything to do with auctions or ebay and that it was also an "org" and not a commercial pursuit. In fact, we never ended up doing anything with it at all so far as I recall. It was just for the hell of it.

      So... yeah.. Gbay definitely would not fly.

      They should call it the Ironforge Auction House instead :)
    • kenthorvath, on 10/12/2007, -6/+184@Chewie67:

      More like McDonalds refusing to take your Visa credit card because it has a Burger King logo on it. Actually, even that wouldn't be as bad as what eBay is doing now. At least when McDonalds refuses to take your card, they are directly involved in the transaction. But with eBay, the contract is between the buyer and the seller and eBay doesn't even enter into it. If they are going to insist on this level of control over how buyer and seller can enter into a contract, then they should also accept a greater level of liability when a seller engages in fraud. You can't have it both ways. (Or at least you shouldn't be able to...)
    • gookie, on 10/12/2007, -47/+6Okay okay. Let's pretend I wrote....

      Ironforge Auction House

      Sure you'd know what the hell I'm talking about.

      Gbuy is more viable, but Gbay came across as what I've intended.

      Jeeeeeez. Peeps.
    • Moocat, on 10/12/2007, -19/+89Apparently some people missed this part. eBay DOES accept other methods of payment outside of PayPal, including:
      "Allpay.net, Bidpay, Canadian Tire Money, cash2india, CertaPay, Checkfree.com, hyperwallet,com, Moneybookers.com, Ozpay.biz, Payko.com, Paymate.com.au, Propay.com, XOOM"

      So no, it's nothing like Burger King selling McDonalds or whatever half-assed remark you made. It's eBay flipping right the ***** out over a direct competitor to PayPal, unlike their other accepted payment methods. And if you read the article in the first place, you'd know eBay did not make the remark about them being a competitor, they made an attempt to hide their motives by saying Google doesn't have a financial history...despite the fact it's complete *****...AdSense anyone?
    • Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -6/+97I'm dumping my eBay stock immediately, I smell a HUGE lawsuit coming.

      It's time for Google to draw some blood, getting ready for battle with the telcos next.
    • wyrdness, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16@gookie - I don't think that they'd risk the wrath of Ebay's lawyers by calling their rival 'gbay'. It would probably be called something like Google Auctions Beta.

      Or they could turn their useless Froogle site into an online auction.
    • zirtbow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+82If Google created their own auction service and then had free listings for those users that used Google Checkout they would destroy eBay so fast.. well.. i'm not even sure how to describe it. Users would most likely come over in massive swarms and they would be able to support it off the commission from Google Checkout alone.

      Lets try an example with an XBOX 360 and say its $400 just for example purposes...

      On Ebay if you at minimum list it for $0.01 with a reserve of $400.
      $0.20 - Insertion Fee
      $4 - 1% Reserve price
      $12.56 - Final value fee (5.25% initial $25 and 3% the last $375)
      $11.90 - Paypal fee.. They get to collect on the full $400 since the eBay fees aren't deducted when the seller sends payment.

      So to sell this item it would cost $28.66 or roughly 7.2% of the sale price.

      Now if you could list the same item on a Google Auction type site for free with a fee from Google Checkout it would be...
      $8.20 - 2% + $0.20

      and if you use google adwords it possibly could be free...

      So Google... open an auction site... you literally can't lose.

    • klaymen, on 10/12/2007, -21/+10this seems like another case of people just wanting freedom for themselves but not for companies. why exactly should they not be allowed to block gbuy? because it inconviniences you?

      don't get me wrong, i think it is a ***** move on ebay's part, and they shouldn't do it. but making laws about this kind of stuff is not the way to handle it. in the same way that making laws against downloading songs is not the way to handle it.
    • spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+39It's called antitrust. Ebay basically has a monopoly in the area right now (not illegal) and this can be considered abuse of monopoly power (definitely illegal).
    • millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+34I wonder if all of those annoying eBay affiliate search results will suddenly disappear from Google's cache??
    • cawpin, on 10/12/2007, -16/+6@spectre_25gt - It is NOT a monopoly. They are blocking a direct competitor from being used on THEIR service. I see no problem with this move.
    • ModernGeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Another analogy: You are a store in a mall, and the mall tells you that you're store cannot use one credit card processing service, and that you can only use the malls credit processing service. The mall in question is the biggest mall in town and it would suck to try and sell anywhere else.
    • thedamian, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14The solution would DEFININTELY be like someone said 2 postings ago

      Have Google REMOVE ebay from google listings.

      They can even say the same thing ebay said about google checkout.

      "sorry. Too many fraud complaints and too new of a system so I can't chose ebay on my site. So sue me!"

      Then they'd see who's more powerful. (or who cares more about the other's traffic.)
    • Chiisuchianu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16hahaha ebay is scared, im supporting google all the way baby

      and isnt this illegal for ebay to do?
    • jcidiotashram, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9ebay just made a lot of curious online buyers to try google checkout by banning it. it is one of pre-emptive move that's going to suck for ebay.
    • klaymen, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1so are we against free market now then?
    • Fish123456, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I would tend to say the analogy is more like a store choosing to accept American Express and Visa, but not Mastercard. Why would a store choose to potentially alienate those customers who carry solely Mastercard? Well maybe it's because Mastercard charges too much per transaction or maybe Visa is part of the same conglomerate as the store itself and Mastercard is a direct competitor to Visa, while American Express is a very minimal competitorand not worth further customer alienation.

      I can't see any legislation against ebay in this matter to actually have clout. You can't make the argument that by not accepting google's payment system that ebay is breaking anti-trust laws.
    • olegk, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12BGay anyone?
    • crweaks23, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3How about this (total speculation): eBay knows it's getting into legal trouble, but how long would the lawsuit take, and how much longer to enforce the punishment? Maybe it's worth it to eBay to lose money on a lawsuit to buy more time in a market without Google as a major player? Ever heard of hedging your bet? Just a thought..
    • crimoid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It isn't like they are only banning Google. They ban far more than they allow. Here is the actual list:

      Payment Services permitted on eBay: Allpay.net, Bidpay, Canadian Tire Money, cash2india, CertaPay, Checkfree.com, hyperwallet,com, Moneybookers.com, Ozpay.biz, Payko.com, Paymate.com.au, Propay.com, XOOM

      Payment Services not permitted on eBay: AlertPay.com, anypay.com, AuctionChex.com, AuctionPix.com, BillPay.ie, ecount.com, cardserviceinternational.com, CCAvenue, ecount, e-gold, eHotPay.com, ePassporte.com, EuroGiro, FastCash.com, Google Checkout, gcash, GearPay, Goldmoney.com, graphcard.com, greenzap.com, ikobo.com, Liberty Dollars, Moneygram.com, neteller.com, Netpay.com, Nochex.com, paychest.com, payingfast.com, paypay, Postepay, Qchex.com, rupay.com, scripophily.com, sendmoneyorder.com, stamps, Stormpay, wmtransfer.com, xcoin.com

      http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/accepted-payments-policy.html
    • aumgrown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I was an eBay powerseller for a while doing alot of business on eBay and I can tell you from experience that Paypal is one of the most mean spirited, shiesty companies out there. YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE WHAT I HAVE BEEN THROUGH TRYING TO MAKE A CLAIM UNDER THEIR "PROTECTION SERVICE'. More than once I have been treated worse than doodoo for trying to get my money back when someone blatently scammed me, and it was obvious! The people at their company are rude as it gets in NYC and do there best to not understand what is going on as if they are all a bunch of UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYERS! f you look on eBay YOU WILL SEE A NUBER OF BIG SELLERS WHO DO NOT ACCEP PAYPAL FOR SUCH REASONS(other than their undeserved high tax!). Ebay's people are not much better, I think they've gotten cocky from being #1 for too long. I love the service that eBay offers as much if not more than anybody out there but I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME COMPETITION HUMBLE THEM A BIT! COME ON GOOGLE!
    • topgun195, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yup the sound of Google entering the market is apparently enough to send those sissies at eBay to dodge and run for cover. But why? Google don't bite.
    • twollamalove, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Gbay, anyone?"

      I've been waiting all semester for you to ask me that
    • voipdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How do you spell 'restraint of trade'
    • infobeat234, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0We should kwow that Ebay and google are not exactly going same field. I am pretty sure that ebay and paypal got annoyed by google checkout but it shouldn't effect that much :( .
      http://qqbq.info/sitemap.htm
    • ThreeDee912, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Uh... Google Base...?
  • gronne, on 10/12/2007, -5/+103That is total BS. "Ebay, we get you coming and twice when you're going."
    • mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+79the food in Ebay's cafeteria sucks too...
  • john608, on 10/12/2007, -9/+51Wow. I wonder how long this will go on before Google threatens to sue. Wouldn't this be a type of monopoly abuse practices?
    • ViperDaimao, on 10/12/2007, -33/+33How so? Could Discover also sue the restaruant for not accepting it as payment? Can you sue McDonalds for not accepting check or any credit as payment? No of course not, because it would be ridiculous, and anti-liberty.
    • ReinMasamuri, on 10/12/2007, -8/+67It is monopolization. The difference here is that the restraunt, or mcdonalds doesn't OWN the payment company.
    • john608, on 10/12/2007, -7/+47Um No. It would be like Mastercard(eBay) telling me as a business owner (Person selling stuff on eBay) that I would not be allowed to use Discover(Google) - And threatened that if I did they would not allow me to accept Mastercard (Paypal) anymore. Do you think I would even think of using Discover(Google) then?
    • gregharmon, on 10/12/2007, -30/+15Paypal isn't a monopoly. Visa and MC are still the most used form of online payment; I would assume.

      Now, Google oculd ban eBay from it's search index as "payback" but they probably own't as that'd annoy a lot of it's users. Although eBay is annoying a lot of it's users by not accepting google checkout - let's hope Google takes the higher ground here.
    • TalenKlaive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+48@ViperDaimao: The difference there is that "the restaurant" does not have its own credit card/payment system, Mc Donalds does not have its own payment system. Ebay does have its own payment system, and its forcing users to use it over a competitors payment system. Don't know if its illegal, but its defiantly shady.
    • drakey, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42Remember that PayPal is owned by Ebay, so this isn't just Ebay disallowing some payment system, but banning a direct competitor to their PayPal service.
    • generalleoff, on 10/12/2007, -29/+8Yea they have no grounds for any kind of lawsuit. It is not even required that stores must except that green (green in the US anyway) paper stuff as payment. They can accept nothing but old toe nail clippings if they wanted.
    • mt066, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2I would have thought so too but I'm sure that ebay has lawyers that would have noticed that kind of thing from a mile away.
    • kxa007, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20This is anti-trust issues. The lawyers will be all over it. Ebay can regulate the auctions but can not allow only online payment through Paypal because they own it. If they did not own it, it'll be a different story.
    • liquidizer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20There might be a case here. Google could argue that Ebay is using its monopoly in the auction market to exert unfair influence in the payments market. Although Ebay does ban lots of other payment methods too, and allow several potential competitors (eg moneybookers). Ebay will probably back down once Google's proven itself.

      The restaurant examples don't work because the restaurant doesn't own the payment company and doesn't have a monopoly either. If McDonalds had a monopoly on restaurants and owned a credit card company and stopped accepting rival credit cards, then that might be anti-competitive, yes.
    • cremate, on 10/12/2007, -14/+8No its more like you shopping at Walmart and then you want to pay with a Visa and they tell you that you have to use their Walmart card.
    • modsuperstar, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Also the difference between eBay and the restaurant is that the restaurant is making the decision on a financial basis. They purchase the service from a company in order to offer that payment method to the customer. eBay on the otherhand is a free marketplace that owns a competing payment method, where as a seller in this situation would be more like the restaurant used in this example. They just want to offer a broader selection of choices to consumer, which in the end is what everyone strives for in business. I would definitely think this does have monopoly implications.
    • joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11No need. All Google needs to do is offer auctions and then good by ebay. eBay/PayPal policies are so against protecting the consumer that most everyone ends up getting burned at one point. If google is there to pick up the unsatisfied, they'll do just fine.
    • ViperDaimao, on 10/12/2007, -14/+8OK, no one has convinced me that anything is wrong with this. I can accept any and all forms of payment i want. If you dont like it, dont use my service. Can anyone who actually knows something about the law show me that I am wrong and that I do not have the freedom to accept which payment I want?
    • quine, on 10/12/2007, -14/+8I don't believe this can really be construed as monopolistic. Furthermore, this is more about transactional networks and "payment gateways", not "payment methods". A more apt metaphor would be buying something off of your typical mom & pop website through Authorize.net (or the like). Its Ebay's system, its Ebay's network - they reserve the right to handle the transactions however they want; they just so happen to own their own payment gateway - rather smart really.
    • bbcountach, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4"Paypal isn't a monopoly. Visa and MC are still the most used form of online payment; I would assume.

      Now, Google oculd ban eBay from it's search index as "payback" but they probably own't as that'd annoy a lot of it's users. Although eBay is annoying a lot of it's users by not accepting google checkout - let's hope Google takes the higher ground here."
      As stated by gregharmon.
      I find that highly unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, eBay is one of google's top advertisers. Before checkout, I was under the impression that google and ebay got along quite well. As well as gmail has taken off and as high as google's stock is (especially compared to ebay) I would expect google to come up with something of their own that would eventually rival ebay. Google is very capable of it. It's too early to tell what would happen, but i sure hope someone gives ebay a run for their money soon.
      -B
    • drakey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21"OK, no one has convinced me that anything is wrong with this. I can accept any and all forms of payment i want. If you dont like it, dont use my service. Can anyone who actually knows something about the law show me that I am wrong and that I do not have the freedom to accept which payment I want?"

      Ebay does have a de facto monopoly on online auctions. It's not illegal to have a monopoly, but it is illegal to use your monopoly position to quash competition--in this case, for their satellite company PayPal. If you can't see what's wrong with a monopoly company saying who can and cannot do business with their customers (something, btw, that the -customers- should decide and not the auction house), I hope you have no ambitions in law.
    • biffsputnik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12(IANAL)
      This has been covered already fairly well, but I can see some are stil having difficulty determining why this is an unfair business practice. The key point is that Ebay owns PayPal. If they didn't, it wouldn't matter.
      View an example everyone is familiar with- the Microsoft anti-trust matter. In this case, Ebay is using its market dominance in online auctions (Microsoft:Operating System) to limit competition in the online payment market (Microsoft:Browser). PayPal is built in to the Ebay system, not merely 'accepted'. (IE built into Windows, not simply an available option)
      Additionally, Microsoft was accused of coding their OS/Browser/Online content so that it would not 'play nice' with other browsers. Microsoft denied this but we all know it was true. Here, Ebay is going the extra step and issuing POLICY that they will not accept Google Checkout. Not only is this as strong a case as the one against Microsoft, it's actually debatably a stronger case. The debate comes from the fact that Ebay does accept other payment methods. Exactly what the details of the relationship between Ebay and the other online payment companies are, and how their parent companies differ from Google in relation to their competition with Ebay are the x factors here.
      IMO, Ebay is running scared. I also believe this scenario is exactly why Google went ahead with Google Checkout, I think they saw this as a window of opportunity due to Ebay's acquisition of PayPal.
    • mt066, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15Yeah forget it. OBVIOUSLY eBay has made the dumbest move in business history by blatantly creating an illegal monopoly....surely they have no lawyers whatsover that would have seen this coming. Luckily, we have the most trustworthy legal resource availabel to man: people who comment on digg.
    • jm9206755, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"How so? Could Discover also sue the restaruant for not accepting it as payment? Can you sue McDonalds for not accepting check or any credit as payment? No of course not, because it would be ridiculous, and anti-liberty."

      The problem with this analogy is that a store actually has to BUY a merchant account with Discover to be ALLOWED to accept their cards as payment.
    • joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Can anyone who actually knows something about the law show me that I am wrong and that I do not have the freedom to accept which payment I want?"

      Don't confuse the letter of the law with 'business best practices'.
    • jm9206755, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7"Yea they have no grounds for any kind of lawsuit. It is not even required that stores must except that green (green in the US anyway) paper stuff as payment. They can accept nothing but old toe nail clippings if they wanted."

      This is absolutely wrong. Federal law requires any business operating in the US or US territory to accept US currency as legal tender. Period.

      "OK, no one has convinced me that anything is wrong with this. I can accept any and all forms of payment i want. If you don't like it, don't use my service. Can anyone who actually knows something about the law show me that I am wrong and that I do not have the freedom to accept which payment I want?"

      As a private business owner (in the US) you are only required to accept US currency as legal tender. In fact, any sovereign nation has this requirement with their own respective currencies. Their economies would not function properly otherwise.

      The problem with this case is that eBay essentially holds a legal monopoly on online auction. Contrary to common belief having a monopoly is not in and of itself illegal as long as you don't use illegal business tactics to discourage competition or abuse your monopoly by exerting economic pressure on secondary markets. Google could make a case for the second.

      eBay owns PayPal and Google Checkout is in direct competition with PayPal. They could argue that eBay is using it's monopoly position to cut Google Checkout off from potential customers and are being anti competitive. It would be up to the FTC/Federal courts to decide whether or not it really constitutes an abuse of their monopoly.
    • fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2No. Please learn the law before making stupid statements like this.

      EBAY IS NOT A MONOPOLY. PAYPAL IS NOT A MONOPOLY.
      There are a great many alternative auction sites and digital payment services. As a business, EBay has a choice over whether or not to let other businesses have access to their customers (ie, for payments). Why the f*** would Ebay let their self-proclaimed biggest competitor into their service???

      If you all love Google so much, switch to GBase.
    • m1ndstorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"As a business, EBay has a choice over whether or not to let other businesses have access to their customers (ie, for payments)."

      eBay should have nothing to do with the payment methods except to assure they are safe. If I'm willing to accept Google Checkout from a buyer and the bayer is willing to use the service to pay, why should eBay have the right to prohibit us from doing so?
    • pinchduck, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2How could it possible be a monopoly? Are there no other auctions? No other way to sell goods and services? This is a vertical integration, not a monopoly. A monopoly is when you have no other choice. It would be a monopoly if you go to your grocery store and have to use eBay and PayPal to purchase your hot dogs. Or if you sell your neighbor your old PC for $200, but are forced to use eBay and PayPal. eBay is one site among many. It is one venue to sell your goods, not the ONLY venue to sell your goods. It isn't even close to a monopoly. If you don't like it, don't use it.
    • isuchaos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3people seem to be missing the point, a seller has every right to choose how the customer pays...I can't sue McDonald's because it doesn't accept American Express or a personal check...that is their choice. However, eBay is not a retailer, they have nothing to do with how the buyer and seller settle debts. If eBay exclusively allowed PayPal, it might be legit, but eBay allows several other payment services, so they are choosing which services to allow obviously based on the threat they pose to PayPal vs. convenience to consumers. Singling out Google and banning its services is clearly anticompetetive behavior because there is no valid reason to ban it. It is understandable that eBay bans payment systems which don't necessarily have a good reputation (they probably should ban PayPal ;) ). eBay banning Google is like the State of New York banning Mastercard because the governor had a stake in Visa. Ridiculous.
    • jcidiotashram, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0there was this article from mastercard website
      http://www.mastercard.com/us/company/en/newsroom/discover_lawsuit.html
      but this argues the case in favor of discover. what i learnt from somewhere is that Visa is owned several hundred banks and they are selling the stocks to avoid this anti trust litigation because they can't own visa and refuse to accept discover or something like that.
    • dvfreelancer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8That was a petty and childish move by eBay. Sour grapes raised to the power of 10. eBay could have accepted them as another payment processor and Gbuy wouldn't have made a ripple in the market. But this PR blunder is priceless, the negative publicity alone is worth millions to Google.

      Now for Google to roll out its auction site and I believe you will see defections by the thousands, possibly tens of thousands from eBay and that's just the sellers. Not necessarily because of this, but because eBay has been steadily antagonistic to their vendors for a long time. A cheap chisel here and there, it adds up to a lot of hard feelings over time. Now something like this which just provides a dash of moral smugness in switching over. When your customers are already unhappy it doesn't take much. This was a really, really bad move.

      eBay got caught up in playing the big company game and spent too much time comfortably insulated from criticism aboard their company jet. When a company switches from having a focus on customer satisfaction to corporate smugness, they're doomed. Might take a long time to die, but still dead company walking. eBay just paved a road to Google Auction and invited thousands of customers to walk away.

      Nice job, eBay. You get this weeks Wonder Blunder award.
    • sagenumen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@pinchduck:

      The problem is that eBay IS essentially a monopoly. It holds a major portion of market share in the online auction world. One could make the same argument about Microsoft; technically, yes, there are other options (ever hear of OS X, Linux, Unix, FreeBSD?), but with such a large market share, they can -- and have -- engage(d) in anti-competitive practices. Your argument doesn't really hold water; there are indeed other options, but let's be honest here: eBay would be a huge step up for Google Checkout. If Google has to go around to individual vendors and strike up deals, it's going to seriously hinder adoption.
    • uncleWalrus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@jm
      "This is absolutely wrong. Federal law requires any business operating in the US or US territory to accept US currency as legal tender. Period."

      THAT is absolutely wrong. No such law exists or has ever existed. Plenty of businesses don't take cash. The fact bills are denoted as "legal tender for all debts" does not in any way mandate the acceptance of it by a business. In fact, even the government doesn't take cash. Have you ever tried to get a passport with cash? Go ahead and try; you can't. They only take checks and money orders.
    • sagenumen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@unclewalrus:

      They don't accept cash because they have to mail the payment to the US Passport Office and you're not supposed to mail cash. You can't expect the government to break their own rules, can you? The gov't offices accept cash for anything they do there, e.g., pictures, processing fees, etc.
    • HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The crux of this matter may lie in whether or not the other payment companies pay Ebay to be on their "preferred" list.

      It is quite possible that to be accepted as an Ebay payment service you have to pay Ebay or follow some sort of policy, a policy that us "users" do not even know about.

      Why do some stores not allow some credit cards to be used? Because of the fee schedule.

      Pay Pal takes quite a bite. The other companies involved may even give kickbacks to Ebay as Ebay does know which payment method you used as you specify it on auction end and when you list.
  • Laurent, on 10/12/2007, -118/+6DUPE... Digg this one instead : http://digg.com/tech_news/eBay_Bans_Google_Checkout!
    • CaseyUCF, on 10/12/2007, -7/+46or not because this one is already on the front page.
    • BIGGY350z, on 10/12/2007, -20/+12Seriously, who cares.
    • dmron, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29This story was submitted first, therefore the story you are linking to is actually the dupe.
    • pyrates, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21@Laurent

      You're quite pathetic you know that :) So what if this one came out on top when you had only submitted yours 11 minutes earlier. People who call dupe because a story they submitted didn't make it to the front page, when another one did on the same story which was submitted around the same time period are nothing but sore losers who are bitching and moaning. STFU already.

      I hope you know that when you do that, people usually digg you down and put you on ignore for any future submissions that come from you. Then there's even less of a chance of a story you submit showing up on the front page. At least that's what I'd do anyways.
    • Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15dmron wrote: "This story was submitted first, therefore the story you are linking to is actually the dupe."

      Eh?

      This story: "submitted ... 1 hour 16 minutes ago"
      That story: "submitted ... 1 hour 29 minutes ago"

      Not that it matters, but I couldn't let that go.
    • Laurent, on 10/12/2007, -17/+4The original story wasn't mine, have you looked before calling me pathetic? I hate it when people don't search before posting stories that were already submitted... I will systematically bury any duplicated stories, whether they are getting more diggs or not...
    • s0ny, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5Then you are a frikkin retard. Seriously, you dont have ANYTHING better to do with your time than check every story on the front page for dupes, and then bury them? Well hooray for you! Without you, the entire digg community would crumble to the evil digg dupers, secretly trying to thwart our news by submitting 2 of the same story. OOH THE HORROR!!! Thank god for the DUPE POLICE!!!

      Get a life...ok buddy? Until then SHUT THE ***** UP ABOUT DUPES. I READ WHATS ON THE FRONT PAGE AND IF A SIMILAR STORY WAS SUBMITTED 3 MINUTES BEFORE BUT ONLY HAS 2 DIGGS WELL BOO-*****-HOO.
    • Laurent, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2I never said I was checking for duplicated stories all day, I don't know how you figured that out...
  • xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -16/+7That's just pathetic. Google FTW, IMHO.
    • bbabics, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3What the hell does FTW mean?
    • daedal, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8FTW = For The Win
    • armbar, on 10/12/2007, -12/+7Farts Taste Weird.
    • eastbeast314, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2Late...
      Hide me!!
    • Goblin, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4For The Win
      EDIT: And bury
    • alexcount, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3HMMM
      Fort Worth Meacham International Airport, an airport whose IATA airport code is FTW
    • jhunt, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4FTW stands for "I am a ***** retard who likes to run over-used catchphrases into the ground."
  • dosequis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23What did everyone expect? Ebay isn't going to accept the Paypal killer.
    • Carbito, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Google Checkout is not even really competing with PayPal, they target completely different audiences.

      Seems like a bit of a over reaction when most eBay users would have and use a PayPal account already.
    • jonshipman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10eBay is keeping businesses from using Google Checkout. A lot of businesses use ebay as a selling ground for overstock items and reg items and eBay is denying them the choice.
    • rektide, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1I expected an online payment system that would let me send money to people.
      Paypal does not do this.

      ***** facists at paypal refuse to verify my credit card. I've spent seven hours in the past three days first coordinating with my bank and paypal whats going on, and then attempting conference calls with both services at once. Paypal refuses to authorize my plastic.

      I dont know what cretons coded up the paypal verification system, but they should be systematically tortured to the point of death, revived to life again, and then tortured, and again, and again. ***** coding like this is not acceptable.
    • mdmoya, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2@carbito: "Google Checkout is not even really competing with PayPal, they target completely different audiences"
      Yeah, in the same way that the Nintendo DS targeted a completely different audience than the GBA did, right? =)
  • Seumas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32This doesn't surprise me at all. I run an auction site with about 40,000 members and over the many years, a number of users have encountered serious problems with eBay threatening to ban their accounts (and other things) for simply having a link to their account on my auction site. Which is ridiculous, because I certainly don't forbid people from linking to their eBay auctions from my site. Or to the auctions of other competitors either.

    Frankly, as long as you're not _abusing_ my site to spam your stuff elsewhere, link to whatever the hell you want. Why not?

    Ebay isn't just a big bully -- it's an INSECURE big bully.
    • mousky, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1I call *****. Define "a number of users".
    • ralphleon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@Seumas

      Could you link to your auction site? I think many people might be interested in using Google Checkout with their auctions. I for one have never liked eBay, and have been looking for a good excuse to find a good competitor...
    • mighty_mouth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4His profile says his website is GothicAuctions.com
  • NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Wow, this is grounds for an antitrust suit if I ever heard one.
    • gregharmon, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Just because something seems unfair doesn't make it wrong in business. Companies do this thing all the time. If 95 percent of online commerce was done via eBay then perhaps this would be a case but that's not reality. eBay is one online "store".
    • mousky, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2How do you figure? Is PayPal the ONLY method of paying for items purchased via eBay? And even if it was, that does not in itself make it an anti-trust target. There are other auction sites, brick and mortor stores, online stores, even good old real auctions that compete for the consumer's dollar.
    • NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -1/+51. E-Bay OWNS PayPal.
      2. Google Checkout is the ONLY competitor for PayPal to come on to the market yet.

      E-Bay promotes its own service over Google Checkout, while still permitting the user to decide if they even want to use PayPal, a check, or money order. It seems to me that Google Checkout should be just as valid as other options. Banning its use on E-Bay is anti-competitive, and nothing else.
  • dose, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21"eBay's Safe Payments policy states that a payment service must have a 'substantial historical track record of providing safe and reliable financial and/or banking related services.'"

    Seems reasonable to me. I'm sure as Google Checkout matures eBay will review the system again for inclusion. But then again eBay might just be a bunch of meanies.
    • Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Agreed. Google Checkout hasn't been around long enough. It could have bugs or security issues that haben't been ironed out just yet. eBay doesn't want its customers to pay outside of their service, because that's the easiest way to get scammed... I'm sure Google and eBay will strike a deal in the future.
    • Seumas, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23How is that reasonable? If you've used PayPal, you would probably agree that PayPal doesn't even live up to the standards stated in your citation.
    • NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15@Seumas

      Agreed. Paypal certainly didn't have that kind of history when E-Bay bought it.

      If E-Bay allows users to still accept personal checks and money orders as options of payment, it should permit them to choose an optional online banking solution besides the one E-Bay owns. It's anti-competitive, plain and simple.
    • kxa007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Paypal is Buggy, Slow, and their policy is extremely negetive to the sellers. On top of that, the features are poor. Try sorting by dollar amount or search for a payment request to see if its paid.
    • geardosdotnet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10since when has paypal been trustworthy? They are crooked as hell.
    • dougmc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8`eBay's Safe Payments policy states that a payment service must have a 'substantial historical track record of providing safe and reliable financial and/or banking related services.'
      ...

      Yes, it sounds reasonable. But yet they allow PayPal? A large part of the problem with PayPal has always been that they offer `financial and/or banking related services' but aren't subject to many of the laws that protect consumers against companies that offer these services.

      (And yes, I know that they own PayPal now ...)
    • superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5People here seem to have a problem with PayPal but what they are not realizing is the vast majority of users have positive expereinces. I have been using it for years with no problems.

      It's not like eBay does not accept use of other payment services. It's just that the other services generally suck, so no-one uses them - add into the mix the integration between PayPal, eBay, and the postal service and it's hard to beat the combination.

      I think Google payments will be allowed once they have more of a track record.
  • hotrod1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2I hope google does sue them or at least talk them into accepting google checkout.
  • titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4Isn't eBay pro Net neutrality, yet the block an online service like that hasn't done anything wrong.
  • facelessmanchs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+38I just love eBay: First a seller pays eBay to list an item....then the seller pays eBay a final value percent at the end of the auction...then the seller pays PayPal (whom we all know is owned by eBay) a percent to collect the money...God forbid anyone try to bypass any one of eBay's "collection schemes" with another payment processor such as Google Checkout...
    • thermus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Seriously. They make money at every step of a transaction. I had an auction cancelled because my description indicated I refused credit card payments through PayPal (since they collect an additional percentage and fees when you receive a credit card payment).

      It's about time someone took on eBay. It's interesting to see how eBay has responded so far. Instead of offering a better service or lowering fees, they lock out the competition. R.I.P. eBay...
    • tackle, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3oh god.. eBay is a business. The reason for them being in business is to make money.. Google is a business too. The reason for their existence.. guess what... is to make money too. And, they are both trying to do that.. So, why dont you wankers stop whining about eBay making money. I hope summer gets over soon so that you guys can go back to school.

      Seriously... so many stupid comments on Digg lately.
    • Noein, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2There's nothing wrong with business making money, the argument here is whether eBay is making money through questionable / illegal means.
  • Ozmotear, on 10/12/2007, -53/+2The title on this post is almost Identical to one posted 15 minutes sooner. http://digg.com/tech_news/eBay_Bans_Google_Checkout!
    I find it hard to believe that this was posted without knowing about the other article.

    I'm reporting this as a Dupe and Digging the other.
    • cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11...whine with your cheese?
    • Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Exclamation points and hyperbole piss people off. If you want diggs don't get excited when you write the headline.
    • drakey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Someone said the same thing earlier in the thread. Modding you as a dupe and modding up the other. ;)
    • NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17You mean "Cheese with your Whine."
  • Madcowz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13If you don't like it, the best thing to do is vote with your wallet and stop using Ebay.

    /Mad
    • WolfwoodX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm killing off my paypal account. Take it hard too the balls ebay.
    • h0kiez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I will...as soon as I can. First I need a credible alternative.
  • joshlrogers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4So next move by Google is to create their own auction site and allow all payment methods. That is what I like about Google is that they don't play dirty(at least not all the time). They level the playing field really. What is the best way to gain report it is to start your own auction site and allow paypal and whatever other payment methods. They don't pull the same crap as other companies and it comes back and it only causes consumers to gain more respect and trust for google.
    • kelbear, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Google probably won't create it's own auction site.

      Ebay is a huge operation, while many find good deals, many also end up screwed. Lots of opportunities for feathers to get ruffled and for Google to lose it's shine in the public eye. This is too ambitious and too far aside from Google's primary plan of information organization. I mean, there's a ton of stuff I'd like to see a google version of, because they have a simple and clean design philosophy. But I don't expect them to try something like this.
    • Karyyk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1If Google is setting themselves up to compete with Microsoft, Yahoo, Amazon, etc., why not eBay? I think we're seeing here that a lot of people are dissatisfied with eBay/PayPal in general (some like me, much, much more specifically). A viable alternative backed by the likes of Google would be a godsend.
  • AgintSmyth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20The simple solution is:
    GoogleAuctions (beta)
  • BIGGY350z, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Hell, this just might inspire Google to start up their own version of Ebay. Even though it might not get far it seems like they might do it just to bug Ebay.
    • h0kiez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It'd get pretty far. With a comment like that, I think it's safe to say you're not an eBay seller are you?
  • Daedalus81, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I hope Google doesn't sue them. Ebay is scared and Google should take the higher road. Let the people decide which is better.
  • sjalloul, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7F*** ebay, Google will beat them eventually! Who wouldn't mind paying with google, if they index all item for sale? Google is deff capable! Byebye PayPal
    • sissy1972, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0has anyone heard when google gonna start
  • freshmaker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Any way you look at it, it's an unethical decision. Google Checkout will not beat out PayPal just because of the foundation that PayPal has in the checkout world. Though I do believe that eBay is making an error in forcing users to use only certain types of checkout for their auctions. Users are already paying to use eBays services for selling. The least they could do is let the user choose which Checkout service they trust and wish to use.
    • mousky, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1How is eBay's decision unethical? Exactly what ethical practice is being violated? If Target came out with their own credit card - not a branded MC or Visa - does Wal-Mart have to except it? No. Are retailers forced to accept to MC and Visa? No.
    • Kypt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No they don't, but your analogy is flawed. It would be more akin to target having its own credit card and not allowing any other kind of card but theirs (and cash) taking away Visa, MC, etc
    • thedamian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No. You're both wrong.
      It would be the MALL where target is telling target that they can no LONGER accept VISA and can ONLY accept Discover from now on (because the MALL owners own part of discover)

      That would be wrong, and would hurt Target MORE than visa.
  • atuline, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4It's good to see that they at least accept Canadian Tire money.
    • drchadwick, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Is that what the Canadians use when they're not bartering pelts?
    • thedamian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Man... Canadian tire money... *SNIFF* does that stuff still exist?
      Isn't that like coupons from walmart or something ;-)

      I remember hearding that some embassy in some foreign country had to cash out canadian tire money to a local that a canadian had paid him with.

      Hillarious!
  • wil2197, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well, that certainly one way to beat the competiton :-/
  • arrakis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3eBay might have a legitamate reason for disallowing Google Checkout users. Since it's a relatively new service and therefore untested, it might not be 'secure'. This is of course, ignoring how much money Google pays AdSense users.

    This could also be a really bad move for eBay/PayPal if this move prompts Google to launch it's next scheme... the eBay' killer! (SPECULATION! not rumor!)
  • NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6As soon as Google opens up a GBuy of sorts I'm getting on that bandwagon faster than a hobo on steak. eBay can suck my eCock.
  • PowerCow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Ubid takes google.. hopefully google check out with make paypal address some of their complaints
  • panique, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Apparently eBay is ***** in their boots. Apparently Google Checkout is a much much larger threat than they were portrayed as being in the media last week.

    Also, fully expect a new service from Google, gBay.
  • JAKEJAX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I used to sell on Ebay, but now it is hard to make any decent money because you get gouged by Ebay and PayPal.
    • jonshipman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6honestly, I sold 3 things and got $330. $30 was for fees and another $3o for shipping (not ebay fault though)

      I hate eBay, but it's what everyone uses. And by everyone I mean the suckers ;-)
  • jonesin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1antitrust
  • TomP, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Paypal stole £40 off me I never got it back, i trust google alot more then paypal...
    • noGoodNamesLeft, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah, well bear in mind that Google have come under criticism for withholding payments for AdWords advertising from sites because of what they claim are fraudulent clicks. Unfortunately, as they almost always withhold all the details from the site owners, hide behind form letters and generally seem to give no support to help resolve the issue or return the disputed money, a lot of people are unhappy.

      I like Google, but they aren't the infallible ethical company some would like to believe they are, and their AdWords behaviour isn't actually that far off PayPal's withholding of funds from sellers in cases of dispute. Don't assume Google Checkout will be perfect.
  • FrdPrefct, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If they are going to play that way, Google should then parse the Ebay results it would return when doing a search, and not show them. Their reasons for not accepting Gbuy is false, and could even fall under defamation of character. I never liked PayPal, but I'm stuck using it. It's a monopoly when it comes to that sort of service. I'd trust Gbuy over PayPal any day.
  • blackmath, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Ebay must be insecure. If they had any balls theyd let people use google and then try to lower prices on paypal transactions. They dont have the cojones to do this though.
  • cybercerberus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Anticompetitive much?
  • everfresh59, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Whatever, this is good for competition, in actuality, it allows developers and busines owners to sell on virtually any online retailer or auction site...
    • bbabics, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What? Where have you been? What are you talking about?
  • wulfflower, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Well, perhaps in a few months, even a yea, they may decide to allow Google Checkout. It really hasn't been around that long and maybe they just want to see what happens to the service.

    Still, they probably just want people to keep using paypal as much as possible.
  • bobo3457, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0i dont even like buying stuff from ebay cuz you dont know were the items gone thru and where theyve been and ya they say ther mint condistion but you don
    t know that!
  • acurism, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1If people who use ebay(buyers + sellers) complain saying they will ditch their service if they don't allow google checkout then ebay may switch and allow it. It all depends on how Google checkout service is and if existing users of ebay switch.
  • adamlindsay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4For a while now, I have been trying to ditch eBay. Too many issues, too many horror stories. I think this might be the stray that broke the camels back. I already don't like them, so this just works well for me as an excuse.
  • Foxphoto, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Google should punish them with a page rank of 1 ... fight fire with fire
    • MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Google should punish them with a page rank of 1 ... fight fire with fire"

      Now *that* would be abusing their monopoly. I don't think they would do it.
    • eurokc98, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Google do no evil policy. This would just make them look like kids fighting on the playground. It would be funny but not likely. This would be hurting G's own customers much like eBay is doing.

      The only thing I can think of is that eBay has some guidelines for being a qualified payment system and Google hasn't passed this yet. Probably too new, why should Google have a different set of standards to abide by. That being said this LOOKS bad for eBay.
  • 022A, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I for one will not miss ebay in the slightest when it ends up on the "couldn't adapt" ***** of history. In the not too distant future they'll be living off of litigation against whatever superior site replaces them.

    I'm amazed they've lasted this long being a haven for and profiting partner in worldwide fraud.

    Somehow they duped the world into believing they can't do anything about auctions being bid on by an IP in Nigeria, paid for with a stolen credit card number from Witchitaw, Kansas and shipped to a fence house address in London...All while taking a cut of the criminal proceeds to fuel 4,500,000,000/yr in revenues.

    Amazing.
    • fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3So let me get this straight...suddenly eBay is responsible for the conduct of it's clients?

      GASP! So that means Google is responsible for click fraud, domain squatting, and link spam. And Apple is responsible for music piracy, and movie piracy, and violating the DCMA, and all sorts of patents.

      A company is responsible for what its *employees* do, not its customers.
    • 022A, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@fatdog789,

      "So let me get this straight...suddenly eBay is responsible for the conduct of it's clients?"

      Yes, when the company is a profiting partner in that conduct they should be held responsible. As I pointed out in my example, it's trivial to identify a "suspicious" transaction yet, as many people can tell you. Getting help from ebay/paypal when you inevitably get ripped off in a transaction (that ebay profits from) is next to impossible.

      "GASP! So that means Google is responsible for click fraud, domain squatting, and link spam. And Apple is responsible for music piracy, and movie piracy, and violating the DCMA, and all sorts of patents."

      Click fraud claims could make sense, however that situation isn't as simple and straightforward the situation with ebay/paypal where they are in charge of collecting personal information and verifying the identity of it's criminal sellers. When google requires you to provide your name, address and link your bank account in order to click on ads we can revisit that one.

      The rest of what you spewed there is fallacious ***** which avoids the point.

      "A company is responsible for what its *employees* do, not its customers."

      When a companies policies and/or it's irresponsible employees put customers at risk, enable fraud and profit from the act at the customer's expense they need to be held responsible and smacked down.
  • ChanKaiShi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6There is already free alternative auction website, no fees etc - Yahoo auctions. No insertion, final values etc crap. Just not very known but it's excellent auction tool.
    • eurokc98, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Havent used it but now will look into it.
  • AZTriGuy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2My wife sells a lot on eBay, and hates PayPal with a passion. She uses it because eBay has made it the easiest way for a buyer to pay, but they aren't really very seller friendly with all the fees. Non-business accounts don't get fees, but they can't accept credit cards (only bank draft and instant transfer) and are limited to $500/mo, so she has multiple accounts. Even though she accepts those forms of payment through PayPal, eBay will NOT let her say that she takes PayPal in her listings as she can't take credit cards. She was looking forward to using Google Checkout, she'll probably just offer that option in her invoice email rather than noting it in the auction itself.
    • masonreloaded, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2If she's making $500 a month than pay for a business account and stop complaining...
    • h0kiez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0That's not $500 a month...it's LESS THAN $500 a month. Oh...and that's sales, not profit, genius fratboy. Let me tell you how it usually goes...
      Get an item for $400...sell it for $500...$30 to ship it, $30 in Paypal fees, $30 in ebay fees, and you made $10. Okay...I'm making up the math here, but I think many of us already know that even if you can buy things 20% under what they go for on ebay, it's still nearly impossible to make any cash.
    • fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sign up for a business account. You can now accept credit cards!

      Remember that you can also recoup/make money off the *delivery* fees. You don't seriously think so many people are making money off the actual goods when they're 25-50% off normal price. It's all in the ridiculously outrageous delivery fee (which most people don't consider when making the purchase).
  • xophonic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I thought that google made a statement saying that they didn't want to try to compete with or replace Paypal. They were focusing on other forms of micropayments for various online services and a respectbles etailer payment method for the likes of amazon.
    • h0kiez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1They lied...sort of like eBay is lying when they say that they won't allow gBuy because it is "unproven".
  • anchorman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Payment Services permitted on eBay: Allpay.net, Bidpay, Canadian Tire Money, cash2india, CertaPay, Checkfree.com, hyperwallet,com, Moneybookers.com, Ozpay.biz, Payko.com, Paymate.com.au, Propay.com, XOOM

    Payment Services not permitted on eBay: AlertPay.com, anypay.com, AuctionChex.com, AuctionPix.com, BillPay.ie, ecount.com, cardserviceinternational.com, CCAvenue, ecount, e-gold, eHotPay.com, ePassporte.com, EuroGiro, FastCash.com, Google Checkout, gcash, GearPay, Goldmoney.com, graphcard.com, greenzap.com, ikobo.com, Liberty Dollars, Moneygram.com, neteller.com, Netpay.com, Nochex.com, paychest.com, payingfast.com, paypay, Postepay, Qchex.com, rupay.com, scripophily.com, sendmoneyorder.com, stamps, Stormpay, wmtransfer.com, xcoin.com
    • drchadwick, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Damn. I really would like to entrust "eHotPay.com" with my bank account and routing number.
    • MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Canadian Tire Money, haha thats awesome. I have plenty of those!
    • Quozt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1noChex? wow... i use them a lot didnt notice that...
  • cmer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4What i use/accept as a payment method is none of Ebay's business! If I want to accept monopoly money, that's my choice, not theirs! Paypal is a huge scam. I got burned once (for about 5 grands) and I just don't trust them anymore... see www.paypalsucks.com for more horror stories.

  • digitallysick, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2It would be like Microsoft saying you can only use MS office with windows, and anything else is not allowed, it wont FLY, because that is a monolopy, or like saying " use any word processor except open office"
  • persaltier, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5Since everyone here is apparently a lawyer, this should be concluded by tomorrow and a summary judgement can be emailed to all parties involved.
    • Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2No *****. :P Very very foolish ones at that, trusting a company product, not on experience, but on branding alone. Silly children.ahem, lawyers.
    • thedamian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't think anyone is saying they're lawyers.

      I think they will agree on the following
      Is ebay SH***ING in their pants?: YES
      Is the Idea stupid: YES
      Is this going to stop people from using it: NO
      Will it work at driving everyone away from ebay: NO
  • bart5986, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I hope ebay burns for this.
  • the_wally, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I hope Google has its own Auction site coming out soon. I would switch for sure, even if it took a year to grow
    • sissy1972, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I wouldn't think it will take a year as ebay keeps kicking people off....
  • Karyyk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Well, hopefully Google will take this approach (aside from suing the hell out of eBay/PayPal): If you can't join them, BEAT THEM!
  • jsmucker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I sell on eBay daily and I was Very excited to add Google payment as an payment option. I'm now so frustrated at eBay that I want to stop using EBay. I cant really do that so I have to wait for a competitor to come out with something good... COME ON GOOGLE!!!
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