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- rotten777, on 10/12/2007, -6/+54This absolutely sickens me.
As a republican, I have had a very hard time defending this president. And in the last few months the NSA scandal has made me question why I have defended him in the first place. If what this article says is true, it makes me hate not only this administration, it makes me question the direction the USA is heading, but who we're dragging down with it.
Seriously, the US government has been bought so blatantly that now we buy a foreign country's police force from top to bottom to stop something that isn't even illegal in their country. Thank god all of this is publicized.
I hope everyone involved on the MPAA's end rots in hell. Everything they stand for and do is 100% unAmerican. - NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -6/+53Whoops - messed up in description, meant to put:
"excerpt - "Orders went straight top to bottom, from the Swedish minister of Justice,to Chief Prosecutor, etc, to the policemen doing the raid." - Yorn, on 10/12/2007, -13/+56cyborg0, no offense, but you can't blame an entire country's citizens for the actions of their extremely stupid government, even if that country is your own. The US federal government is probably the biggest violator of common decency, but most of the smart people in the country know it is and argue against its actions constantly. I, for example, have never voted for someone who actually got elected (a side effect of always voting 3rd party) and don't regret my vote one bit. I can complain about the actions of either leading party and still say I voted, so have the right to complain.
Of course, if the voting system is rigged, all that is for naught, but that doesn't change the fact that a citizen of a country is not the sole responsible party for his power-tripping government's actions. - Yorn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+44More than just a great article, great news! The best thing about this whole ordeal is that once they are back up and whoever is responsible for this in the Swedish government apologizes, TPB will NEVER be taken down again except if the owners are done with it. This stupid move on the MPAA's behalf will now jeopardize any future actions they could take from a legal argument or standpoint.
So tip your hat to the MPAA for being so stupid as to make a hasty move like this, they've just ensured TPB reigns as the premiere torrent index for decades to come, and might have possibly doomed themselves in the process. Way to go MPAA! The pirates of the world thank you! - f00xx0riz3r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37You're quite missing the point here.
American companies bought your corrupt goverment, which in turn pressured the retarded swedish it-minister Tomas Bodström (or whatever the ***** his title is) to get favour more or less from the swedish it-police chief.
This ***** resultated in hundreds of INNOCENT companies getting their hardware and servers confiscated by the police and a perfectly legal operation (the pirate bay) shut down.
I personally dont support public piracy but when people are arrested without charges, millions worth of hardware is confiscated without reason - something is ***** wrong. And this articles outlines that.
Expect the pirate party, the liberals and everyone not involved in the current swedish goverment to get a boost in the upcoming election in 4½ month. Guess which group of people this pissed off? Yeah, thats right, the youth in sweden that traditionally doesnt vote ...
There will be hell to pay for this for some people. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25What they were doing was not illegal under Swedish law
American law doesn't apply to the rest of the world - pabster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21Um, no. Both the RIAA and MPAA are corrupt organizations which ought to be brought to justice under RICO and shut down permanently.
- salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24Or, at the very least, you can blame 51% of it;
Everyone who did not vote, and everyone who voted for those in power is to blame, that's the power of democracy! - mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19The fact that there is an officially recognized Swedish Pirate Party makes me want to move to Sweden so bad.
- ylikone, on 10/12/2007, -11/+26Every day I hate the US a little more.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25LOL.... So Sweden is just like the USA? Corrupt beyond salvation?
- Vlatro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Straying a bit off topic here, but the whole reason I download films from the pirate bay was because I was sick of being talked down to, preached to, and exploited by the 3 min. anti-piracy video at every movie. The 25 min. of commercials in the beginning I have rammed down my throat. I'm blessed with a fast Internet connection. If the MPAA would pull their heads out of their asses and adopt a new distribution model like the Internet, I would gladly pay the price of an admission ticket to download a new movie and watch it at my leisure form home, where I can be free of screaming children, cell phones, waiting in line, and who can forget that idiot who seems to follow me into every movie and feels the need to repeat everything a character says or follow each scene by screaming some stupid comment like "Oh, he did not just do that!". ***** morons. I should be allowed to eat my own food, where I can spend 99¢ on a bottle of soda, instead of $6.00 for a cup of slightly coke-flavored ice. Viewing from home, I have a clear picture, one that doesn't depend on weather there's some zit-faced high school drop-out with 4 inch thick glasses trying to focus a projector. Movies are there to entertain, yet the environment they're initially shown in seems as if it was specifically engineered to annoy the hell out of paying customers. Piss off your customers, your industry won't survive. Years ago people had no choice but to put up with that. Times have changed. Remember how slow they were to adopt VHS? They were ***** their pants for a decade wondering how they'd make any money If people could own a movie at home instead of paying for it repeatedly every time they wanted to watch it. Yet a multi-billion dollar industry was born from that, not to mention rental outlets. And somehow, they managed to keep making money, faster than ever, with bigger production budgets than ever before.
Enter the Internet. A distribution model that has essentially no cost (aside from bandwidth), Hell there's not even any disc media they would have to provide. It has a built-in global audience. Potential for interactive content that could increase advertising and merchandising revenue insanely. Interactive DVD style menus at the beginning, end or even if the movie's paused could allow you to buy other movie's from the same actor or actress on the screen. Like the hat he's wearing? click here to buy it now. Hell, with an active Internet connection, they could cut a deal with Pappa Johns or Domino's Pizza for an instant ordering and delivery and you never have to get up from the couch. That beats the hell out of waiting at a concessions stand. Imagine being able to click a menu button on screen and scenes that gave the movie an R rating are omitted on the next play, making it kid safe. I could even hit a pause button to take a piss, come back and not have to worry about what I missed. There are limitless money making possibilities for this model that are unobtainable in present mediums. I'm not angry at the MPAA for being a bunch of greedy cash whores, I'm like that my self. But they've been handed the holy ***** grail of opportunities, and they don't get it. Look at what Itunes did for music. I will pay for content in my home, but I want it when it's released, not 6-8 months later. I will pay for a High quality video over watching a shaky camcorder recording. I will never pay to see another movie in a theater, and I won't pay for a DVD that forces me to watch an anti-piracy ad before each play. I won't pay into a dieing industry, and unless it can adapt (I think it eventually will) it will die.
They cannot continue as they have. The cannot fight the entire world and sue everyone who downloads or distributes movies with their consent. So offer something better, TPB is not an enemy of the movie industry, they're showing you the way to success in this new age. They are a proving grounds for the technologies you will have to adopt at some point. - rekrapt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Hmm... I would think that if anything qualifies as a "breaking story", this is it. And the story certainly isn't over.
- CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15this is turning into a civil rights issue for sweden
- crexor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15The backlash as citizens of all countries read/and learn of this is going to be 10fold if not more of what happened to pirate bay.
- Yorn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14The old definition of what a pirate was (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate) really goes to explain what many software pirates today see them as -- "Pirates readily accepted outcasts from traditional societies, perhaps easily recognizing kindred spirits, and they were known to free slaves from slave ships and welcome them into the pirate fold." Much of the topsite and release groups recognize that TPB and other indexing sites are integral to the overall objective: releasing quality movies early to as many "kindred spirits" as possible. If you're taking advantage of the end product of software piracy, it seems quite ridiculous that you'd consider yourself anything but a "pirate". Many of us take the name quite proudly, as a matter of fact. (It's not as cool as being a ninja, but at least it is something)
- RandomPrecision, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12In fact, it goes all the way to the absolute top. This is the Flying Spaghetti Monster's way of trying to avert global warning.
- iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13No, it's NOT theft, not at all. It is COPYING. If you copy it, and then you resell it, then it is copyright infringement, not theft, and shouldn't be a crime. I wish I could sue people who steal my jokes, and sell them, but no way in hell am I able to, unless I'm a corporate glutton with big bank accounts to get politicians to agree someone "stole" them from me. I mean, I could use "trade secrets" case, but what the hell. Copying something is not THEFT, repeat after me all you "sheep"... copying something is NOT theft.
- Garda, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13everybody remember http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php where they basically just took the piss out of everyone that sent them legal threats. Well when they get back online, I wouldn't wanna be the MPAA. LOL!
- satori3000, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16I'm hugely against piracy, but this is much, much worse. I have no idea how they can justify this, but it doesn't like anyone is even trying to.
- Napalm05, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13"Corruption Goes All the Way to the Top", Says Pirate Bay Chief
Shouldn't it be Pirate Bay Capatin ?
YARR - slamm6, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17Oh, don't try and gain any sympathy by feigning disgust now. It's too late. If you were too dumb to see the writing on the wall in 2000, you shouldn't even be here.
- bloodmoney, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13As soon as TPB comes back online I will download untold gigabytes in protest
- Nick22, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11To all the people that think the movie industry actualy loses money from pirates....
Thats just plain stupid. Its not like it costs the movie industry money every time one of their movies is downloaded. What they are really losing is POTENTIAL money. Money that they COULD have gotten. And as a side note, alot of people that pirate wouldnt buy the movies anyways. So really instead of 2.3 billion$ lost or some stupid number it should be more like 5 million potential $ lost.
IMO if you buy somthing, it should be YOURS and you should be able to do whatever you want with it. Afterall you (im assuming) worked hard to get the money in order to buy their products. - DROB003, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13This is all about money, greed, and power. Nothing more.
- BlueFiberOp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Well, the situation is constantly changing and new information is coming in. So new information will pop up on Digg, making it seem there are lots of duplicates.
- CaptRR, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Nope, just a different type of theft, they will probably run for office now :)
- crexor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I mean backlash in a broad/general sense, because people will use different means, some will become lobbyists, some will be more destructive, some will see it as a dare to download more, some will see it as a challenge to create their own "pirate bay", who knows.
- ylikone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Yes, I see your point... it's a sad sad day when american movie actors can't afford that third mansion. I weep for them.
- iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11QUOTE I hope your father loses his job because of lost profits, I hope he gets cut because people were illegally distributing his product, then you wouldn't be so inclined to back illegal acts. UNQUOTE
So you're saying that the entertainment industry is cutting people all the time because of "illegal acts"? Oh you mean downloading digital content? You mean getting something in a format that the users actually want but the entertainment industry won't deliver? You mean that the record figure profits the entertainment industry are making actually is being hurt by people downloading digital content? Oh that's right, you're a "sheep' following some ***** false agenda set forth by the greedy corporate gluttons who want to enact their own law towards the people of the planet earth? You think that just because someone downloaded some digital content, that money was lost (programming from the **AAs) - you're WRONG. When will you and the rest of the frigg'n sheep realize that??? - orangethirteen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11It is not stealing.
It is sharing.
Making a copy for your friends.
The MPAA & RIAA need to THINK of ways to harness technology.
Perhaps like Apple. A computer company is more successful at delivering "legal" digital content to the consumer than they are.
Users on P2P or torrent sites are not selling data.
They are sharing.
Adapt or Die! - ekso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I agree. YOU should be compensated. Not lawyers or business men that sells your content. They are not needed anymore.
HOW are you selling your content? Have you tried selling it yourself? - AnonPirate, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10By now you are all certainly aware that something is amiss. This one would like to take this opportunity to explain the actions of his peers. Do not confuse this for an apology, as we, Pirates, are never ones to apologize.
You see, we are of the Internet. We lurk on the fringes of the vast digital Universe, feeding off the waves of digits and lost information. (Directed at the MP-AA, RI-AA ETC) This is how we stretch our limbs, and let the world know "We exist". It's your fault. This one regrets that you lack the capacity to recognize this for what it is, and will therefore assume this is a targeted attack towards laws and established regulations. We really don't "hate" you, so much as We, the majority of us, wish you would die, possibly after ingesting feces.
Most of us were raised in very good conditions, and not in poverty and illegality as you would have people think of us. We cannot expect you to come around to our way of thinking, however, to put things in perspective, you seem just as delusional to us as we seem to you. - Bogtha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@Yorn,
> you can't blame an entire country's citizens for the actions of their extremely stupid government
Who does the USA government work for?
If the USA is a democratic republic as is often claimed, then ultimately its voters are responsible for the government's actions.
If the USA is not a democratic republic, then isn't it the citizens' responsibility to revolt?
Either way you look at it, the responsibility comes back to the people of the USA to stop the government that is supposed to work for them from doing things they don't want their government to do.
I'm fed up of the "but it's our government, not us" excuse. The governments of democratic republics are an agent of the people, not an entity responsible to nobody but themselves. Your government works *for you*. - steve693, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Dear MPAA,
Where is your god now!? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9One person can do plenty to change the way a country operates, but you have to be prepared to die in the process.
- slamm6, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I figure for every day TPB is down, I'm losing about 4.6 GB, which would be the rough equivalent of an $8 movie. So with 1 million pirates out there, the worldwide loss is about 8 million dollars per day or roughly 2.8 billion dollars per year. I think we'd better take legal action.
- orangethirteen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@geekee: Sharing content does not mean I have to break into the music or video store.
You are assuming I stole the data to share.
My statement is regarding "digital content" and a copy of that not the original.
So if you break into my house that is a completely different situation.
Get it? - slamm6, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10My dad is retired. Can I pirate now ?
- Salisme, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I Agree. I applaud TPB for fighting back and coming back on line.
Truth be told, I've never downloaded a movie in my life, takes too damn long and I have Movies on Demand through my cable company. I run a cable from my digital box to my video capture card.
Be it as it may, many many centuries ago, people like Shakespeare and Aristotle performed great works in front of people, of the people, and it was for the people. Art has always been free until business discovered the idea to put a price tag on it.
It was Hollywood's fault back in the 1920's to dish out millions of dollars to actors in a new industry. They made the bed, and when people decided it was too much to pay $20 for two movie tickets, the industry struck back by going after alternatives to entertainment.
I thank TPB for doing what's right. Art belongs to the people, not to the industry. Let it be heard! Let it be seen! Let it be downloaded. - synwolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm wondering if the judicial rulings, if in favor of TPB, will set a precedent for freeing digital property rights. That would make Sweden even more of a haven for pirates than it is today.
Perpetual freedom :) - asiaeroticacom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8As a producer of content who is 3 months behind in my rent , I am all for being compensated for what I do. But, I do think that the laws of another country should be respected
- Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Blaming the citizens for permitting the evils of the state is like blaming a 4 year old child for not standing up to its abusive alcoholic mother.
The power disparity is too great. You can't continue assuming the existence of the government is by the will of the people, we're way beyond that now. If you can prove how one person can take on the state, I'd love to hear about it. - ekso, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7geekee and bigcat: have you guys ever realised there's a little difference between a book and a .txt file? :)
- Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7IThey don't represent you, they represent themselves. You got to stop trusting "democracy" and your "representatives".
Democracy sucks, al democracies have ended in tyranny. The problem is force. Always is.
I'm an active libertarian and will be moving to the Free State of New Hampshire in the next years. - fitchmicah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I dunno, I think people will be corrupt if they are given the opportunity to get away with it, but not if they immediately experience the consequences of their own corruption...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No they were not. TPB is not covered by US law mostly made by corporations is now seems. They broke no laws in their native country.
Anyone who doesn't understand this and that US law is NOT global war is an utter assmonkey! - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7you mean *captain*, but yes good point.
- cyborgO, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14See it's not a hatred of the US. I happen to love what the US was and should still be. Hell, I even fought for it, have you table boy? It's a hatred of you stupid people under the table letting the man, and the lazy ruin the country. And seeing how the rest of the country, the lazy, aren't willing to do anything, but whine,... well RBasil, as my right as a citizen, I'll leave when I'm ready. And by the way, watch your head when you pull back.
- dbpigeon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The illegal content wasn't on their servers. They only hosted .torrent files. The .torrent itself isn't illegal, but the software /movies/music/whatever that you can obtain are illegal in some cases.
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