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- CorDawg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30I think comparing anything to Norton or McAfee is going to make it look good
- kblommel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Harder? Considering Kaspersky has a better definition engine and has a MUCH smaller footprint than Norton or McAfee, I'd think it'd make your job easier. Less of the "My computer is running slow since I installed Norton Internet Security".
- bennyboy371, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9You click accept that many times? I just ran some scans before putting it into learning mode and letting my programs all run once, then I set the firewall higher and I haven't had to deal with it since, I haven't had a single security related problem on my system or a problem with the firewall since. The only time I have to accept anything is when I install another program that connects to the internet.
Hardware routers are great, but if your system gets spyware on it and you're already compromised, those programs are free to send out whatever information they wish. This is especially if someone directly puts something onto your system to get some info, your router won't keep that from sending out. - arkmtech, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@ Dhalgren & Colonelpanic: First off, NAV is a terrible piece of software. Companies who rely on it need to give their I.T. dept. a kick in ass. Second, all people need personal firewall software, whether already behind an NAT/firewall or not.
Kaspersky's anti-virus engine is the best performing on the market: In a test by virus.gr ( http://www.virus.gr/english/fullxml/default.asp?id=82 - August, 2006 ) Kaspersky was placed #1, detecting 99.62% of viruses out of a sample of 147,184. Norton ranked #22, at only 83.18%.
Furthermore, to be on a LAN without a personal firewall is asking for trouble. Ask yourself, what's a bigger pain: Taking a few minutes to click 'Yes' or 'No' to ZoneAlarm alerts as it learns what connections are okay/not okay, or spending hours figuring out which trojan has been sending out personal & financial data from your PC for the last month, and days (if not months or years) recovering your identity with the credit bureaus?
IMO, this is an excellent move by CheckPoint/Kaspersky - I'll definitely jump online to buy it as soon as it's available for purchase. - Cykaos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@myfanwy
So where did you get these viruses then? They don't just magically appear on your computer. You have to download and run something for them to install. The few and far between exploits that install by themselves through buffer overflows or whatever are only on shady websites.
I think your main problem is you have so much crap running on your computer they all cancel each other out. - papereira, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Cool! I use both of these currently. This is good news.
- schwit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Available now:
http://download.zonelabs.com/bin/free/beta/index.html - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5i have a notebook and a desktop running xp home sp2 behind a wireless router with built in firewall, i have zone alarm pro running as my firewall and nod32 as my AV, and im not stupid enough to goto any websites i do not trust, i've been running this set up for a couple of years now and i have not had a single security problem, bsod, computer crash or any other problems with either computers, last time i had a prob with my computer it was still running windows 98 and that was in 2000 when i first got a pc :-)
- diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That could happen, but I hope not.
Norton has destroyed itself. I have to re-activate their software all the time, Ghost, NAV... everything. The number one reason I no longer recommend Norton was that I have experienced over 3 versions having the updates go titsup. #1 rule of AV, update!
ZoneAlarm needs to keep their eye on security, not feature creep. If, they fail to understand that, then I fully agree that bloat will drag it under. - bdpf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5As a Zone Alarm Free user for years, not the suite, I find it does a good job as a software fire wall.
All in one apps scare me. I use the recommended cluster of free programs to protect my computer.
Zone Alarm Free
Ad-Aware
Spybot Search & Destroy
Spyware Blaster
Win Patrol
Each program performs just one function of protection and over laps some to catch more mal-ware.
Plus they are free to a single user
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I think ZoneAlarm is on it's way to become another Norton Internet Security at least in terms of bloat. Hopefully they don't cause users as much trouble for users as the afore mention Norton product.
- xciton, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8> Hardware Routers FTW
That's only half the solution. There is no one step solution. If that's all you have, you're going to have problems.... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I have always considered Kaspersky to be the best AV (most test results confirm this) and Zone Alarm to be the best firewall. So, this is really a good news. If there are no major bugs and memory usage is reasonable I may switch from KIS to ZA.
- tOpvillyn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Every fast paced dominantly used OS is going to be susceptible to band-aid fixes. Look at UBUNTU, I use it at work and every morning I come in I swear there is a ***** update. I love UBUNTU and I love Windows they're both two valuable operating systems.
Windows does have its flaw but don't front, Linux does too. If you're a knowledgeable user you can keep your Windows box as clean as your Linux box with the same amount of effort. Linux for work is awesome, but as far as home use is concerned Windows offers what I want. An endless plethora of multimedia abilities without having to _try_ to figure out how to get it to work.
Saying Linux is better because Windows can contract a virus easier than it is like saying Windows is better because it can run Flash 8 because Linux can't................. To me anyways. It all depends on what the user wants, and what the users abilities are... The computer is as smart and as safe as its user..... - tOpvillyn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2mac osx? wake up dood. Just like linux it still has its faults. The focal point isn't on macs because there aren't as many users. That doesn't mean that it still can't get b0rked like sticking your penis in the frying pan while cooking bacon. You can't put much on a mac anyways so what does it matter. *snooze bar*
cr4cks ftw. - klawz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@myfanwy - I call ***** on your story, you're an Apple or Linux fan boy spreading FUD. STFU, and stay on topic.
Staying on topic, where can you download the beta of ZA7? Anyone know? I searched zonelabs.com and others already. - tOpvillyn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Kind of a good move, but to tell you the truth Kaspersky should keep to themselves. They have by far the most robust and advanced firewall/AV product that I have ever used. Minus that off the wall alien screech when the program detects a virus -- but hey they want you to realize it. If your volume is full blast and it detects something, you will notice it; your pets too...
With too many years as a support technician, too many down the line calls as a system administrator, born into dos/windows, 4 years of Linux experience, I would have to say Kaspersky has the best _advanced_ Internet Security product for Windows on the shelf. I have tried almost every Internet Security suite, Anti-Virus solution, and stand-alone firewall solution...... All your pwn are below to Kaspersky.
To the guy that says "You have to press allow so many times," I've got a good product for you -- PC-Cillin. It's easy to use and doesn't bother you that much. But if you want to seal up your system, and be aware of whats going on with your PC, Kaspersky will let you know and keep you safe.
It actually allows you to setup protection to the finest detail, which I find comforting. I don't mind spending the extra time to precisely calibrate my firewall if its going to keep all these ***** scanning network blocks from turning my computer into another cog on their bot net wheel of spamfury.
Their file startup object/file scanning process is totally thorough and a little bit annoying. However, if you're using Windows it's better to be safe than sorry, especially if you have delicate information on your system.
No matter what, I will keep my eye on Kaspersky. For Windows machines they offer the best security.... Tighter than a dolphins ass.... Yes. Water tight.
^5 Kaspersky. - docjeff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I notice you don't list an antivirus among those tools. Do you not feel the need or did you just forget to include one in the list?
- GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Wasn't Kaspersky just compromised by the Russian Hacking team that's responsible for the 67% increase in global spam since August 2006?
http://digg.com/security/Pump_and_Dump_Spam_Surge_Linked_to_Russian_Bot_Herders - tOpvillyn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Additionally, to evil-doers Windows = ez$, Linux = hard times.
Firewall/AV: Kaspersky Internet Security
Mal-Ware: Ewido - diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2My best luck as been with CA E-Trust over Norton or McAfee. I like Trend Micro, too. The best features of CA and TM is the activation works and updates seldom fail. I have used some of the free AV on the kid's PCs, not sure how effective they are, though.
I love Spybot S&D, especially the advanced menu to activate the host file entries. The Immunize is fine for IE, but I use Firefox more than not.
Ad-Aware is okay, but the full version allows real-time protection.
Windows Defender seems weaker than the initial version from Giant, but for free I will not argue people not use it, even if just as a stand alone scanner. I figure MS knows Windows better than anyone.
Also, I have found online scanners to be of great use to double check a system when something is suspected to be hiding within it.
And finally, when the poop hits the fan, Barts PE with a AV and spyware scanner can be very useful in getting the junk off a system. - triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1nike if you don't run AV how do you know you haven't had and run ins with malicious code?
- tOpvillyn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2When using Windows... that is a good habit.
- diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I use different products on several of my PCs. What I have found that works good, if the end user will accept clicking a little bit is Zone Alarm along with a hardware firewall. However, the secret ingredient is to run as a standard user. That keeps most bugs from getting deep into windows. 99% of the crap is then in the user's profile and much easier to clean. For those who cannot keep away from trouble, I create a user account just for browsing the Internet and delete the whole thing when things get ugly. Being selective in where you browse helps a lot. I tell my clients to upgrade the software of the gray stuff between their ears. A buddy of mine downloaded "smileys software" from a myspace user, doh! It took hours to clean the diseased filth off his PC. It was almost reload time, when I found that DOT NET was running. What putrid manure that is!
The biggest drawback is far too many Window's programs including MP from MS require running as administrator to run or setup. For example, MP needs admin rights to reconfigure once the profile recreates after I delete it. I is not a big issue for me, but most users do not know how to login in as admin, raise their rights, login as the special user, fix MP and then reduce their rights. Logging in as admin and double clicking an icon that dumps the special user's profile is about all I can get most users to understand. I hope Vista will fix that. We need programmers to make software more like *nix software in not needing special rights to run. - Harrison88, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4You guys and girls need NOD32 :)
- Swampthing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What is sad is that a large majority of digg users seem to think Windows Defender is the best thing since sliced bread. Yeah, a company that has to release security updates over and over again for it's own software can be trusted to safely guard your computer... RIGHT.
ZA and Kaspersky, I agree... the best in my book too. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@Dhalgren & Colonelpanic
No. We all know how well users are at watching what they run on their systems. That's the whole reason we have jobs, you *****. NAV is crap - it's bad at detecting all viruses and does an extraordinarily bad job at spyware.
It's gotten slower and slower every year. I look forward to finally ripping it all out next year and replacing it with ZoneAlarm/Kapersky or even Panda. Whatever it is we just need to make sure it has an admin console. - alen3K, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I use format c: every 1-2 months
- bennyboy371, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6I use ZoneAlarm Suite, its a good balance between security and complete laziness. It really shouldn't get as much crap about the product as it does.
- GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Go Back To Hollywood Justin Long.
- Dhalgren, on 10/12/2007, -10/+9I agree colonelpanic. It's a pain the ass trying to set up a network when any of the computers are running symantec internet security or zone alarm. Plus, zone alarm is the most annoying piece of software ever. If you are careful about what you put on your computer and stay behind a NAT router, you really shouldn't need something like zone alarm anyway...
- pengu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@Dhalgren
right. so use a firewall that doesnt work, rather than work out how to configure one that does. good work, you're a credit to retards everywhere. - nikeairj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@bdpf
I have the almost exactly the same protection you have:
Zone Alarm (free)
Ad-Aware
Spybot Search & Destroy
Windows Defender
Win Patrol
There's no need for anti virus if you know what you are doing. I've been doing just fine for the last 2 or 3 years without a single malicious spyware infecting one of my 3 computers. - Dabellah, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Any tech who recommends Windows Defender isn't a tech in my book. Having 2 years of on-site tech support has shown me that Windows Defender, at best, picks out the most obvious infections and leaves the rest.
Anyone looking to value a customer in resources while offering the best protection should check out Spysweeper:
http://www.webroot.com/
Highly acclaimed program and, from personal practice, I have found it to pick up everything in its scans while removing them without any problems. It's all I need to recommend anymore.
PS: Running it in safe mode = incredible. - invader, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2> "My computer is running slow since I installed Norton Internet Security"
actually, it's more like "it takes an awful long time to boot up my CPU's drive ever since i downloaded that norton virus floppy." - klawz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1If I could find drivers for the ***** (hardware) my dad has (e.g. his model of video camera, his model of printer), I'd have his OS converted already - the problem is, manufactures make drivers for the popular, and well, if you want a driver for linux, usually you're told to write your own if you can't find it. So what gives? yes, you can convert and train, however, you may have to buy all new peripherals too - which would add to the cost, I doubt the huge ass discount companies get on leasing hardware, with the OS, and support too, would outweigh the cost of converting, training, and upgrade to peripherals out there with existing linux drivers.
- myfanwy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1to be honest, connecting a windows computer to the internet today is the height of insanity - the cost of maintaining windows (having to continually buy ***** like this, NAV, mcafeee, webroot, sophos, trend micro, whatever + cleaning up when it goes wrong), far outweighs the cost/time/effort of re-training for linux/bsd/osx. i believe the relevant phrase for continually putting band-aids on a windows install like this is "you can't polish a turd".
why are we still shelling out billions to patch a hopeless OS to a near-useful state?
and no i'm not an anti-ms, linux/osx fanboy - i use windows everyday, but there's no internet connection, it's dual-boot with a decent OS - pengu, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1i can't believe we live in a world where it is accepted that the "leading" OS (in terms of market share) used requires up to 5 extra products just to make it safe to use, before you even do anything.
- myfanwy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1@Cykaos
well, most av products will play nice nowadays, and i only ran them as scan-on-demand, so the chance of them fighting it out is minimal.
and who cares where the viruses came from - why do I need to waste my time being careful when the OS should be resistant enough for me to not have to? i unplugged windows, put a decent OS on another partition, and problem solved. - Dhalgren, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6laziness? Except having to click "accept" every 10 seconds.
- myfanwy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2@aragami
how do you know? what makes you so sure you're not running a zombie machine? frankly NOD and zone alarm alone just isn't enough for windows - i used to run avast, avg, zone alarm, ewido, ad-aware, a rootkit cleaner, firefox + mcafee site advisor, no e-mail client and still got viruses. and no, i didn't visit the seedier side of the internet either - mtappenden, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2I use a Mac. I use it behind a NAT router. I have Mac OS X default firewall turned on. I don't use my admin account for things that don't need it. I'm not stupid enough to type in my password without first knowing that I have done something which requires it. My Mac does Software Update once a week. I have never had a security problem.
- crilen007, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2Hardware Routers FTW
- colonelpanic, on 10/12/2007, -16/+6As far as protection goes, I just have customers stick with windows firewall, and NAV corp/ NAV (not the security suite) and windows defender. I found that thats the simplest and lightest configuration for nearly any pc.
- streak, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2And NOW! (drum-roll) Number 1 in the All-In-One Security Suite Round-up:
Mac OS X!!!
Ever listen to Kim Komando? Half the show's content concerns antivirus, antispyware. What a waste of time. - colonelpanic, on 10/12/2007, -29/+2Just another peice of software to make my job as a pc tech harder.
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