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- mctk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29"Honey, my scanner is picking up a box of condoms in your briefcase..."
- zombie-m, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Be sure to remember that next time you put your drink container in a garbage can that later gets knocked over by some teenagers. When they send you the ticket for littering, you'll know just how much benefit you get from having the RFID in that container.
- gekkokid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16i have only used cash except for internet purchases for the past two years, i was a card whore before that, i feel free!
- Disodium, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12what if it said?
001101100011011000110110 - beoswulf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"RFID tags can only be identified in a closed system (such as a supermarket supply chain). There is no feasible way to track or trace who purchases the goods with RFID (other than if you bought the goods with a credit card"
Except marketing companies already plan to send researchers around neighborhoods to read RFID tags in curbside trash (and who knows, maybe one day the range of commercial RFID scanners will reach inside your home). Then they index which address goes with which RFID tags. It's a direct marketer's wet dream. - Petrarch1603, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I read the article and I dont remember any reference to people getting arrested for littering. Once again, a misleading Digg title.
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I read about a guy who made harassing prank calls using a calling card from a payphone. They traced back to the location of the purchase of the card to its retail location (Walmart) then they traced it to the credit card purchase, the teller who made the sell, the lane he bought it in, and video footage of him buying it from the security cameras.
PS to who said it earlier, if I throw a can away and somehow it ends up making its way on the street (Someone intending to recycle drops it ect.) then I don't want it traced back to me.
Eric Wilson - MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9but then they have your credit card number! :O
- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13I don't know, man, I'm too busy selling my new model of tin foil hats online (with RFID chips in them, heh heh heh)
- kindrobot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8"I agree with the fact that the technology needs to be regulated, however I would be fine with it being used to track people that drop litter on our streets!"
I'd kind of feel like an ***** if I said that.
Do you really want to live in a world where individuals can be fined for littering streets and corporations get tax cuts for doing the same type of thing, but on a larger scale?
ZERO TOLERANCE LITTER POLICY!
phht. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Imagine if I paid in cash!
- SpacePirate, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Frankly, I don't think it would be worth it to serialize every RFID tag. Much like UPC codes, there will be one identifier unique to every product, and not likely a UNIQUE identifier associated with every individual item. For luxury items, certainly, but for a can of soda? Not likely.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It's just a piece of evidence, like a soda can with a finger print on it, that can today be linked to someone with his fingerprints on file.
- chaosmachine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5it doesn't take much effort to have the computer making the RFIDs stick a UUID on the end. here's one, computer generated in microseconds..
d59c0788-b452-45ea-b261-aee3987f613f
and we won't run out any time soon.. the above 128-bit UUID is one of 340,282,366,920,939,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 possible unique identifiers. and there's no reason why you couldn't go to 256 bits. if you want to learn more, this site has a UUID generator, and more info:
http://kruithof.xs4all.nl/uuid/uuidgen - 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@gekkokid - you're very smart- this is something I'd recommend to everyone, except that people seem far more interested in convenience than protecting their own privacy.
- cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5RFID definitely will include the data found on today's UPC. I do not know if it will include a unit specific serial number for each can of soda in a 24 pack. If it DOES, let me tell you I doubt even Walmart wants to know the RFID serial #'s for each and every can of soda in a 24 pack of soda. Actually, there will be 1 RFID tag for the case of soda in most cases (pun intended).
I really doubt that if I buy a can of Pepsi and litter with it in 3 weeks that a police officer will be able to access a centralized database and see where the soda was sold, and to whom. Come on, that drilled down level of detail would be very expensive to warehouse with little, if any payback.
File this under the folder with tinfoil hat laden consipracy theorists...
And I AM paranoid about big brother!!! - Petrarch1603, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I think that this technology merits serious and detailed inquiry. That said, this technology has plenty of practical uses which will benefit mankind. The RFID process must be transparent.
- Zukunft, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Wouldn't saliva and fingerprints do the same thing? Track you back to the can?
- Dysanovic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I wonder if a criminal would be able to drive down a street and determine the contents inside houses.
The RFID tags would help them to determine which houses have rich pickings. - techsupportrich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is all building up to a system where by at birth we will all be asigned another person who we have to watch 24hrs a day forever and write it down. The person you are watching will be watching you and reporting that too, so we will all know what everybody is doing all the time. Then we can use that technology to find out who cares.
Seriously, do you think there are the time, resources and motivation to record and log every product that every person buys? Maybe there is. I suppose we'll have to see what the Americans do in the name of freedom of it's people and then do the opposite. - saroth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5If it were the mark of the beast, it would say "666," not "1 010 011 010."
- JQP123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"RFID tags can be read from anywhere."
No, they can't. To read an RFID tag from outside your home would require megawatts of power. - MegaSilver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think I saw that on CSI: Digg
- DougPenn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Use a one-time use card. If they obtain your card number, who cares?
- allthewhile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2OMG When I looked at the headline of this article it had exactly 666 diggs!! OMG THE APOCALYPSE!
- celerate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I doubt people bothered to read your link before modding me down.
The link you gave only goes as far as saying that the RFID tags in money are not used for tracking or counting. I never said they were used for either of those two purposes, I simply said that they were there. - egrabosky, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4are you a disinofrmation agent trying to trip me up?
- adairnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Exactly. There are much easier ways to track your purchases than RFID.
- johndi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1RFIDS are easy to physically destroy, On most consumer good (like CDs) a pair of scissors is all it takes. On the small ones that people are inserting in there hands a hammer would do nicely.
Jamming is not a good idea, as JQP stated, it's a good way to get a visit from the FCC. It could also Jam emergency communications. You really don't want someone to die because you didn't want 'them' to track your purchases. - Thorpe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I always use a litter bin anyway. What's there to be scared of? Only my privacy.
- jumjum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think they put a product "OUI" of sorts in there somewhere for product organization Chaos, but I forgot where.
- Jetfire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I sorry I hate these scare tactic articles. RFID's are not that easy to read as some would think. Liquid and metals block them too easily at the moment. We currently have to put RFID tags on units we build going to certain Army bases. Our vender told a story about on place they set up and everything working fine until it rained. The set up was just for pallets and not down to the product level. The pallets were read going though the doc door between the two Annunciators (Not Antennas). They found out after a while that if the close the Dock door next to the one with the Annunciators when it was raining the system worked fine.
- vegasbright, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Wow, imagine if an electronic device like RFID tags could be removed/erased/degaused/destroyed/etc.
RFID is not "the mark of the beast". - JQP123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Will the introduction of RFID tags make people who work at checkouts in supermarkets redundant? "
To make this practical, the tags themselves have to be cheap, maybe less than 5 cents each. Cheap passive RFID tags are easily shielded by liquid or metal, contrary to all the dis-information being spread here.
The real issues with RFID are cost and reliability. We're not even close (in a practical sense) to being able to cheaply tag individual soda cans or bottles of dish washing liquid and read them reliably at the check out. - johnpombrio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agreed. WAY too paranoid. What is the difference between a barcode and RFid? Nothing. Is everyone studying the terrible personal security effects of a barcode? Hardly.
Oh my GOD! I have been barcoded! Help! Like those little frequent shoppers cards! They know I went to their store!
Then think about all of us that have the RFid toll booth readers. OH my GOD! They know I went to Maine! Twice!
Now these auto RFids could be read by anyone wanting too and at a distance. Has anyone EVER heard of someone prowling the mall parking lot stealing the precious information contained on these devices?
Bunk, bunk, and more bunk. Good for politics, tabloids, and churches though! - adairnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ cloroxia
"You're actually way off on that one. Most (if not all) RFID's use whats called passive technology. This means that the carrier signal actually powers up and activates the RFID to transmit."
Exactly what I said. Not sure how I am "way off". Most tags are passive, meaning they take power from an electromagnetic field created by an interrogator. The feasibility of actually identifying one of these tags at a long distance in the real world at the common US supermarket frequency (915 MHz) would require a hell of a lot more than the 1 W allowed by the FCC. Stop spreading unfounded conspiracy theories. I don't want marketers to know more about me than the next guy, but cool it with the "Spychips" panic attack. - TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4My DNA is not on record anywhere.
Eric Wilson - skyhighrockets, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Fairly easy to get around.
Buy your coffee with cash, then burn the cup with a lighter before throwing it away.
Many people who live off the grid use simple techniques like this day to day.
There is always a way to get around something. - oarpie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A while ago an arsonist was caught in Wash. DC because of the juice bottle found at the scene of one of the fires. It contained whatever fuel used to start that fire. The police traced the bottle back to the Safeway it was purchased at. He had bought it using his Safeway 'membership' card. Not a RFID tag, but definitely a trail.
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It actually says the mark will be needed to buy or sell.
Eric Wilson - DrummerGirl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3How would they prove that the soda can that they found at a murder scene, for example, didn't actually fall off the back of a garbage truck?
- KeiichiMorisato, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3For every positive technical advantage offered by RFID--I remember my Dad who used to work at an auto-parts store asking me to come up with something like this about 22 years ago--there is the REAL next step where marketers will use this information. And then there is a very real possibility that organizations (private or public) will abuse this collected data.
I come from a region where governments would love nothing more than to be able to suppress any dissent or they can be easily manipulated by bribes to make your life difficult.
The problem is not RFID, rather, we should make sure that our privacy is guarded by making its use outside of their initial deployment illegal. You can use it in the store to track inventory and use. But once it leaves your store you MUST wipe it or allow the customer to wipe it and notify them of what items have tags in them.
Let's not give up on our precious privacy rights to companies and governments. I don't want to see what's so common in other despotic countries creep here on the guise of technology and convenience. - Squeegee, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7 I would rather wipe my feces on the "tag" just to get back at "them".
- fortezza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yes, except you bought it at work and lighters are not allowed in the building. So maybe put it in the microwave?
- johndi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3They didn't like the idea of zapping it with a Taser either. Don't worry congress will make tampering with an RFID a crime if it isn't already.
- Dysanovic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I wouldn't be surprised if the stuff you'd buy on-line would also come with a RFID tag!
- mccoma, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It is going to be so much easier to frame people now.....
- suppaibeg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2That will work great...until they start putting RFID tags in the cash you get from your bank. DOH.
- dimatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Gah, all of this easy tracking crap is starting to scare me. "DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER"
- chaosmachine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2imagine if there were RFID strips in your cash.
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