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- canewediggit, on 10/11/2007, -9/+63you mean anti-terrorist clips like our US soldiers giving first hand accounts of the realities of this war? rtfa and tell me who's not allowing those.
by the way- you get the 'dumbest nick on digg' award, congrats. - polyGone, on 10/11/2007, -7/+45You're an idiot.
edit: I tried to think of a constructive way to say that, but.....***** it. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+34New lame t-shirt idea = SUPPORT THE TROOPS, Host an anonymous proxy server!
- firearcade, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21@tonydanza5000 (#6754337)
you're new, and i speak for everyone when i say, ***** off and this is your only warning.
the first and second ***** will get you blocked by every digger - KanosWRX, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14I worked for the National Guard in D.C. They block tons of sites that they don't want people going to. Like Myspace and Ebay. I didn't like how they blocked You Tube, but I understood why. People would take advantage of it and watch videos all day. This isn't just against soldiers in Iraq, the DOD and 100's of other companies block these sites at their work too here in America. This is nothing new!!!
- catalysis, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16They aren't terrorist supporters, but they do remove clips linking terrorism to islam.
- kenvsryu, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13When you become a soldier you become property of the military and do their bidding.
- camknows, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@geometry
You understand it wrong. Military personnel do not get their own computers from the government that they can use on their free time. They use government computers to perform their job. They should only be using the Internet for work-related material in the first place. This is a policy that most companies adhere to.
Military personnel can bring their own computers/laptops and use public Internet access points to do whatever they want (surf YouTube/MySpace, IM, play online games, etc.). - Dweller99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5We used to say we "signed away all of our rights to defend everyone elses". In this context the DoD is the employer and has decided to block access to a non work related site. Whats the issue?
- GabrielS, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5They can visit any sites they want to using the internet cafes. They just cannot use the Pentagon's network to get to these sites. The article clearly defines that internet cafes as locales with unrestricted access to the intarwebs.
- camknows, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6@geometry
Holy frickin' cow! Way to back your proof up with what someone said on Yahoo! Answers. I am currently in the U.S. Air Force and have countless buddies over in Iraq as I'm typing this. Trust me when I say that they may have access to government computers, but they should only be using them for work-related purposes. I don't know why you would think that soldiers are just setting up tents in the desert so they can speak with their families back home. All of us troops have a mission to perform and that is what they are doing.
@Mweather
You cannot play online games using a military network. Not only is it not allowed, but it's not possible because the ports that the games need to have open in order to run are closed. There is no getting around it. I guarantee you that your friend was using a public connection with his government supplied laptop. That is okay.
Once again guys, I'm a computer systems administrator/network security manager, so I sort of know what I'm talking about. - sleze, on 10/11/2007, -10/+14This is silly. They were using youtube at work. As nice as it is to watch videos at work, it is NOT work related. The DOD shouldn't have come up with that crap about bandwidth and just stuck to their guns.
BTW - youtube is unreachable at ANY DOD installation - Tigrou, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Let's be honest here. The smart way to shape an image is to make sure yours is the only voice heard. If soliders voices can be heard, then their opions are heard - and they ain't flattering of the fools that got them stuck in this mess.
So, the Pentagon Brass now controls the info on YouTube that flows out of Iraq. They can't make it any clearer. And yet we'll eat it up.
@polygone - ha ha ha... - bsiviglia9, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5[comment deleted by user]
- techsyslonghorn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4It sucks the soldiers cant browse these sites, but their employer says restrict it. That's fine. But, YouTube might want to pick it's fights a little better before they get to far in over their heads.
- GabrielS, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Are you a product of American Public Schools?
- usercc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Any American employer can dictate what happens on its company's computers. Military personnel are employees of the U.S. Armed Forces.
- kurtu5, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Tigrou,
Um, soldiers are not able to make appeals to the constitution. They fall under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ(Uniform Code of Military justice).
Technically they are not allowed to say what they want in any forum if their commanders prohibit such speech. So they can't protest, they can't speak against the military, they can't even protest whaling if their commander says not to.
However, there are some who insist that the UCMJ does not trump the rights recognized by the Constitution. Remember the Constitution does not give you rights, it is a contract from the people to create a government to "secure these rights". These natural rights exist always, so goes the argument, and are intrinsic to all people, be there a government or not.
Those who maintain that the UCMJ trumps the constitution, do so on the appeal to the "right to unlimited contract", or the right of a person to enter into any contract, even one where that person voluntarily surrenders their natural rights.
/Believe in the right to unlimited contract. Example: prostitution. :) - geometry, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7@sleze
So since they are stationed over sees that means they work 24 x 7? The way I understand it is that they have computers that they can use in their free time to do whatever they want, email family and friends, surf the net and what not. But now they have decided to block YouTube.
If I'm not mistaken this is close to the issue that we had with public libraries a few years ago. Libraries were trying to block certain sites from being accessed and it was ruled that they cannot do that. - geometry, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4@camknows
This is the type of access I am talking about. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060726052444AAAYXGE&show=7
I know I've seen that the Armed Forces sets up tents with computers for soldiers to use in their free time. I know the above link is just a short answer to the question but that's what I was referring to.
I'd find a better source but I have to try to be productive here at work before they block access to digg. LOL - kaiser44, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4It is the ***** army, not a frat house you dumb asses.
YOU TUBE challenges pentagon, scary.I bet the pentagon is running for cover now. - strafefire, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Being a former navy sailor, who just left the Navy 6 months ago, I can attest to the fact that Youtube takes up WAY too much band width.
I remember grabbing a book to read while trying to order a videogame, 2 music cds, and 2 books from Amazon. It was only a two and one half hour ordeal --
And I had to do it at 3AM so that the network was running at its FASTEST (cause everyone was usually asleep, or on watch)...
Whenever I went to a site like Gamefaqs.com or even Craigslist (which was blacklisted about a month before I got out, in addition to Ebay, Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoomail, eventually Yahoo itself for a while, Myspace, Facebook...I could go on here...), that was a huge 30 minute long ordeal.
So yeah, the DOD maybe using Youtube itself, but at the same time, that whole higher the lowest bidder for contract work to install networks on ships and bases, does not work too well...
Also, the DOD is just making the policy that a lot of ships and bases already had in place, mandatory for everyone. - MWeather, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3"You understand it wrong. Military personnel do not get their own computers from the government that they can use on their free time."
And you're only telling half the truth. They DO have their own laptops, and can connect to the military's internet backbone. I used to play Stronghold 2 with my buddy in Iraq all the time. - GabrielS, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2They want the content. It's frontline journalism without the stupid copyright experience of trained journalists.
- evanfrey, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4How come when I read BushOwnzLibs comment I hear banjo music?
- mykos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2YouTube is NOT blocked in the middle east. I just talked to my brother on the phone this morning, and he confirms it's not blocked at his station. Why do these false stories keep coming up? YouTube is blocked from work, but not in the barracks or rec areas. I've never worked at a business that allowed sites like YouTube to be accessed from the network. Why would you expect any different from the DoD?
Please stop repeating these false stories. - kurtu5, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2FTA
"Remember, the people that we're talking to are people who depend on this network, to get the job done," she said. "The network is there to make sure the soldier, sailor, airman and Marine can accomplish the mission."
So when did MWR stop being important? For the uninitiated, MWR is Moral, Welfare and Recreation. This is a critical tool in maintaining operational readiness. On bases, MWR provides anything from canoe and sno ski rentals(if you are conus and near rivers and mountains), to religious caplain support and even support for alcohol addiction.
So if I were the founders of youtube, I would talk immedatly to the MWR folks and let them know that a simple allocation of bandwidth can replace more costly forms of entertainment. Being able to reach out and connect to citizens while one is serving in overseas is a HUGE boost to moral.
/Dee Dee Dee - afx1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4It's obviously not a bandwidth issue.
- Tarl, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I don't understand all the uproar when many companies in the private sector do the same thing. Not to mention there are internet cafes ran by private companies that troops can use in Iraq.
- SOULEVENT, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Some of you DESERVE the scumbags that are turning this country into a police state...you have clearly been cautioned of it for a very LONG LONG time...but you did nothing.
Some of you DESERVE to have the loss of your children on your conscience...you taught them patriotism means not DEFENDING TRUTH, but some scumbags VERSION of it...but hell, at least you children are worth a sound bite on FOX to you huh?
Some of you deserve FORGIVENESS, but you will have to give a damn about the TRUTH, pop your fake patriot, antiSpiritual heads out of your asses and ask for it.
I hope you people dont think you have another 10, 20 years before these warmongering, NWO, worshippers of LIES attack you again, and claim it was some BS orgaization that they knew nothing about. - bsiviglia9, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Is YouTube interfering with troop indoctrination?
- mykos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The mission is whatever the Generals and Colonels need done; it could be flying sorties, getting communications up, readying weapons, or a host of other things. Everything a soldier does at work is in support of the mission.
We should be conscripting like Denmark and Finland so people learn not to ask stupid questions. - giveen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Just to clear this all up, here is the Marine Corps policy (I am a network administrator for the USMC)
Date signed: 25/03/2000 MARADMIN Number: 162/00
R 240801Z MAR 00
FM CMC WASHINGTON DC//C4I//
TO MARADMIN
BT
UNCLAS //N02000//
MARADMIN 162/00
MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC C4I//
SUBJ/INFORMATION ASSURANCE BULLETIN 2-00, APPROPRIATE USE OF
GOVERNMENT INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY RESOURCES//
REF/A/MARADMIN 197-99 INFORMATION ASSURANCE BULLETIN 1-99,
APPROPRIATE USE OF MARINE CORPS INFORMATION RESOURCES//
REF/B/DODDIR 5500.7-R SECT/SECT 3-201/30 AUG 93//
REF/C/SECNAVINST 5239.3./DON INFOSEC PROGRAM/14 JULY 95//
NARR/REF A PROVIDED GUIDANCE REGARDING APPROPRIATE USE OF USMC
INTERNET SERVICES. REF B IS THE JOINT ETHICS REGULATIONS.
REF C IS THE DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY INFORMATION SYSTEM SECURITY
PROGRAM.//
RMKS/1. PURPOSE. REF A ADDRESSED APPROPRIATE USE OF USMC
INFORMATION RESOURCES AS THEY PERTAIN TO INTERNET SERVICES. DUE TO
A RECENT PROLIFERATION OF CHAIN EMAIL MESSAGES, AND OTHER
ACTIVITIES NOT ADDRESSED IN REF A, WE ARE UPDATING/REPUBLISHING
THE POLICY AND EXPANDING ITS APPLICABILITY TO INCLUDE THE USE OF
ANY GOVERNMENT INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY RESOURCE. GOVERNMENT
INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY RESOURCES ADDRESSED IN THIS POLICY INCLUDE,
BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, COMPUTER HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE,
TELECOMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE, LOCAL AREA NETWORKS, FACSIMILE
MACHINES, ELECTRONIC MAIL, AND INTERNET SYSTEMS. PER REF B,
VIOLATION OF THE POLICY LISTED BELOW MAY RESULT IN ADMINISTRATIVE
OR DISCIPLINARY ACTION, TO INCLUDE NONJUDICIAL PUNISHMENT OR
COURTS-MARTIAL.
2. THE INTERNET, SPECIFICALLY THE WORLD WIDE WEB (WWW), IS A
VALUABLE TOOL FOR OBTAINING AND WIDELY DISSEMINATING INFORMATION.
WHEN USED PRODUCTIVELY, IT CAN FILL MARINE CORPS INFORMATION
MANAGEMENT NEEDS AND ENHANCE CONNECTIVITY.
3. THE MARINE CORPS ENTERPRISE NETWORK (MCEN) THAT CONNECTS TO
THE INTERNET HAS LIMITED CAPACITY. TOO MANY USERS SIMULTANEOUSLY
SENDING AND/OR RECEIVING LARGE FILES POTENTIALLY DEGRADE NETWORK
PERFORMANCE AND DENY ACCESS TO OTHER OFFICIAL USERS. THIS
SITUATION DEMANDS WE DISCIPLINE OUR USE OF THE MCEN/INTERNET.
4. POLICY.
A. OFFICIAL USE. GOVERNMENT INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY RESOURCES ARE
FOR OFFICIAL USE AND AUTHORIZED PURPOSES ONLY. USE OF THESE
RESOURCES, TO INCLUDE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET, IS AUTHORIZED WHEN
WORK RELATED AND DETERMINED TO BE IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE MARINE CORPS. USE SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE
IN FREQUENCY, DURATION, AND RELATED TO ASSIGNED TASKS. EXAMPLES
INCLUDE USING THESE RESOURCES TO:
(1) OBTAIN INFORMATION TO SUPPORT DOD/DON/USMC MISSIONS.
(2) OBTAIN INFORMATION THAT ENHANCES THE PROFESSIONAL SKILLS OF
MARINE CORPS PERSONNEL.
(3) IMPROVE PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL SKILLS AS PART OF A FORMAL
ACADEMIC EDUCATION OR MILITARY/CIVILIAN PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT
PROGRAM (IF APPROVED BY THE COMMAND).
B. AUTHORIZED USE. THE LIMITS OF AUTHORIZED USE MAY VARY FROM
COMMAND TO COMMAND DEPENDING ON THE STRENGTH OF THE NETWORK AND
COMMAND INFORMATION NEEDS. UNDER OPTIMUM CONDITIONS, COMMANDERS
HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT USE OF GOVERNMENT INFORMATION
TECHNOLOGY RESOURCES FOR INCIDENTAL PERSONAL PURPOSES SUCH AS
INTERNET SEARCHES AND BRIEF COMMUNICATIONS, AS LONG AS SUCH USE:
(1) DOES NOT RESULT IN ADDED COSTS TO THE GOVERNMENT.
(2) DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PERFORMANCE OF OFFICIAL DUTIES BY
THE MARINE/EMPLOYEE.
(3) SERVES A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC INTEREST SUCH AS ENHANCING
PROFESSIONAL SKILLS OR IMPROVING MORALE.
(4) IS OF MINIMAL FREQUENCY AND DURATION AND OCCURS DURING AN
INDIVIDUAL'S PERSONAL TIME.
(5) DOES NOT OVERBURDEN GOVERNMENT COMPUTING RESOURCES OR
COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS.
(6) IS NOT USED FOR PURPOSES THAT ADVERSELY REFLECT UPON THE MARINE
CORPS.
C. PROHIBITED USE. USE OF GOVERNMENT INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY
RESOURCES FOR PURPOSES OTHER THAN THOSE DESCRIBED IN PARAGRAPHS 4.A
AND 4.B ABOVE IS PROHIBITED. EXAMPLES OF PROHIBITED USE INCLUDE,
BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, THE FOLLOWING:
(1) ILLEGAL, FRAUDULENT OR MALICIOUS ACTIVITIES.
(2) PARTISAN POLITICAL ACTIVITY, POLITICAL OR RELIGIOUS LOBBYING OR
ADVOCACY OF ACTIVITIES ON BEHALF OF ORGANIZATIONS HAVING NO
AFFILIATION WITH THE MARINE CORPS OR DOD.
(3) ACTIVITIES WHOSE PROPOSES ARE FOR PERSONAL OR COMMERCIAL
FINANCIAL GAIN. THESE ACTIVITIES INCLUDE SOLICITATION OF BUSINESS
SERVICES OR SALE OF PERSONAL PROPERTY.
(4) UNAUTHORIZED FUNDRAISING.
(5) ACCESSING, STORING, PROCESSING, DISPLAYING OR DISTRIBUTING
OFFENSIVE OR OBSCENE MATERIAL SUCH AS PORNOGRAPHY OR HATE
LITERATURE.
(6) OBTAINING, INSTALLING OR USING SOFTWARE OBTAINED IN VIOLATION OF
THE APPROPRIATE VENDORS PATENT, COPYRIGHT, TRADE SECRET OR LICENSE
AGREEMENT.
(7) THE CREATION, FORWARDING, OR PASSING OF CHAIN LETTERS.
D. SECURITY. STORING, ACCESSING, PROCESSING, OR DISTRIBUTING
CLASSIFIED, OR OTHERWISE SENSITIVE (E.G., PRIVACY ACT, PROPRIETARY,
"FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY", CONTRACTUALLY OR FINANCIALLY SENSITIVE,
ETC...) INFORMATION ON A COMPUTER OR NETWORK MUST BE IN ACCORDANCE
WITH REF (C).
5. COMMANDERS ARE TO ENSURE THAT APPROPRIATE COMMAND LEVEL MEASURES
ARE INSTITUTED TO:
A. CONTROL ACCESS OF INTERNET SERVICES FOR THOSE PERSONNEL REQUIRED
TO USE THE INTERNET IN PERFORMANCE OF THE COMMAND'S MISSION.
B. MONITOR LOCAL NETWORK USAGE AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION WHEN
INAPPROPRIATE USE IS SUSPECTED. INVESTIGATE ANY UNAUTHORIZED USE AND
WHERE WARRANTED, HOLD INDIVIDUALS ACCOUNTABLE FOR UNAUTHORIZED OR
INAPPROPRIATE INTERNET USE.
C. MONITOR LOCAL NETWORK UTILIZATION TO ENSURE PROCESSING AND NETWORK
RESOURCES ARE NOT ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY INTERNET USE. SPECIFIC
ATTENTION SHOULD BE PLACED ON INTERNET APPLICATIONS AND SERVICES
WHICH ARE BANDWIDTH INTENSIVE AND HAVE A CUMULATIVE DETRIMENTAL
EFFECT ON TELECOMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE (E.G., POINT CAST,
CUSEEME, ETC...). WHEN REQUIRED TAKE ACTION TO PREVENT DEGRADATION
TO INCLUDE RESTRICTING ACCESS TO THE INTERNET.
D. EDUCATE PERSONNEL ON APPROPRIATE USE OF GOVERNMENT INFORMATION
TECHNOLOGY RESOURCES, TO INCLUDE INTERNET ACTIVITY AND ACCESS.
6. APPLICABILITY. THIS BULLETIN APPLIES TO ALL MARINE CORPS
PERSONNEL (ACTIVE AND RESERVE) AND TO ALL CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES,
CONTRACTORS, AND OTHER PERSONNEL ASSIGNED TO MARINE CORPS COMMANDS.
7. POC AT THIS HQ IS E. S. CASSARA, INFORMATION ASSURANCE, - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3@canwediggit
Finally! I'm tired of this thing. - TheSabre, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Most government computers are locked down pretty tight with GPO. Most of them prevent the user from installing anything, changing any type of network or Internet settings, editing the registry, etc. When I worked for the DOD, we couldn't do ANYTHING on the machines. And now that I don't work there any more, I'd just like to add that the DOD Internet connection is terrible. You could tell when it was lunch time because you wouldn't even be able to open google.com, it would take 10 minutes to load.
I'd be surprised if these users had permission to show the Quick Launch toolbar, not to mention change the Internet Options. - shaun1018, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Can't they use a proxy to get past the block?
- camknows, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The guy playing WoW from Iraq was not playing on a government/DoD network, I can guarantee that. He was probably just at the base's Internet Cafe.
- TheSabre, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3How is it any of YouTube's business? Even if YouTube accounted for 0.0000000001% of the DOD Internet traffic, it's DOD's call on if that's "too much", not YouTube's.
""They said it might be a bandwidth issue, but they created the Internet, so I don't know what the problem is," Chief Executive Chad Hurley said with a hearty laugh during an interview with The Associated Press."
What a bunch of bull. Those are two completely irrelevant facts. Example: Ebay blocks auctions of body parts. Would it make any sense whatsoever to say "Ebay says it doesn't allow body parts to be sold, but they created the online auction, so I don't know what the problem is"? No. That makes no sense whatsoever. Just because DOD created the Internet doesn't mean that a particular service can't be using up more bandwidth than they would like.
If YouTube is making such a huge deal about it, it just makes it look like that the military DOES make up for a significant amount of YouTube traffic. Why else would YouTube be so concerned with getting the military to repeal the ban?
A government agency can choose what personal-use sites are allowed to be viewed on its governmental network.... - bsiviglia9, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Does "Stronghold 2" take up bandwidth? (Mweather mentioned it in a comment above.)
- bsiviglia9, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Is The Pentagon's decision to censor UTube consistent with their decision to "embed" reporters in Iraq?
- mykos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"They said it might be a bandwidth issue, but they created the Internet, so I don't know what the problem is,"
YouTube is in a heap of trouble if their bigwigs really are this stupid. - knobtwiddler, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1those are numbers by several major university studies. i'm not just pulling that number out of my ass.
- iSeven, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4"Remember, the people that we're talking to are people who depend on this network, to get the job done," she said. "The network is there to make sure the soldier, sailor, airman and Marine can accomplish the mission."
and what IS that mission? - SOULEVENT, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1DONT EVEN, SOLDIERS IN THE WAR DO HAVE DOWN TIME....with all the ***** MONEY THAT IS BEING POURED IN THERE, I DONT WANT TO HEAR SOME ***** BANDWIDTH EXCUSE FOR NOT ALLOWING SOLDIERS TO ACCESS INFORMATION OR ENTERTAINMENT, OR HAVE THEIR OPINIONS CHANGED FROM SEEING THE TRUTH THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD IS ABLE TO RECEIVE. YOU HAVE THE MONEY AND THE ABILITY...DO IT!!!
- iSeven, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2i'm asking about the overall mission. I'll rephrase. Whats the reason why we are still there?
- iSeven, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2@gabriels
yes =( - c_2_g, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1ah, more lying to us by our government when they say that they are banning Youtube because it takes up to much bandwidth. right.... don't you just love it :-)
- firearcade, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1my comment has been deleted
thats pretty rough
serves me right for coming to check on how many diggs its had - knobtwiddler, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3i'm sure they're more concerned about soldiers uploading video of combat than what they're downloading and watching, although i'm sure thats a concern as well. they dont want the public seeing the kind of slaughter of innocent women and kids thats going on over there.
between 600k and 1 million dead. thats a lot of innocent people. if they can keep everyone tuned to fox news instead of youtube, maybe they can maintain the illusion that we're killing only "insurgents" and not civilians. - kurtu5, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@iseven
Yes there is a good reason we are still in iraq. Well its a good reason for the bankers.
"Rothschild Formula"
http://www.mecfilms.com/universe/articles/formula.htm -
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