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- russ960, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I think Yahoo! has alot to offer. I use the My Yahoo service to give me the news, weather, stock prices and sports scores I want to see. I use both Google and Yahoo! for search but more often Google. However, when I'm looking to shop I find Google's options to be poor at best compared to what Yahoo! has to offer. Really I think commercially in regards to ads I say Yahoo! is better. At the same time Google is good for search. Either way I rarely actually start my search at the site instead I use the search box in Firefox.
- Cerberus047, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3it still beats the ***** out of msn....
- MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Yahoo number 1 ? I think not. yahoo now with BT internet in the uk installing it's self and setting up camp as the default homepage does not make yahoo number 1 nor does yahoo bundled toolbar in over 100 programs I can think off, Again setting its self as default homepage.... yahoo = spyware n junk....... Google all the way"
are you kidding me? i think i have a google toolbar up my ass. - thomashawk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yahoo will pull themselves out of this hole by reinventing search and using the small statistical relevency based on small known communities (weighting relevency by only their trusted members) and introducing these weightings into the overall search equation and algorithm. They are already assembling the pieces. Flickr, Delicious, Upcoming.org, Blu-Ray.
Only two pieces left, Digg and TiVo.
If they can get the right corporate visionary in place to tie all of these properties together and take authority over the various fiefdoms then they will once again begin to take market share back from Google.
Ask.com tried to position human knowledge as superior to AI but what they missed was the power of small communities. Small communities will have tremendous implications for relevancy in search. To guard against most though will be the manipulation of these small communities in what is going to be an increasingly profitable game. This will be done by using weightings and qualifications within these communities of only the known and trusted members. Trusted members will be defined by consistent activity and good behavior or known sponsorship by other trusted group members. In order to be relevent you will need to be trusted but this is going to create massive advances in search.
Irrespective of Sue Decker's unfortunate commments Yahoo! knows exactly what they are doing. - saysaknow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Diggnation subscribed to it? Already?
- VenDrake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I've been using Yahoo! stuff for years now. Their My Yahoo is a great place to consolidate all my RSS feeds, news, weather and more. The mail service is very good and getting better. Their map beta (maps.yahoo.com/beta) is slow, but so damn comprehensive. You can search for "hotel" on your current map and they'll ping every hotel on your current map. I have Yahoo! calender send my reminders to my cell-phone. The launchcast experience isn't bad, and I like their messenger. It integrates, mail, calender, music, and messenger in one system tray icon...not bad use of real estate. Last, their shopping outlet lets me compare products on technical specs fairly efficiently. So all in all it's a pretty sweet package.
HOWEVER, google has the search market on lock down. I don't care if someone else DID have a better product, "google" means "search" (it's now in the dictionary as slang).
What's my point? I want a Google / Yahoo merger. With Google's reputation and visitors and Yahoo's market presence and web utilities...well, just DAMN. That should make even Microsoft tremble.
-VenDrake - Amplix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2maybe someone forgot to log out of the diggnation account and dugg it by mistake :P... hey it can happen
i know often times i didnt........... nevermind - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yah0o will gain on Go0gle eventually. They are one of the few with the capability to do so and they are here to stay. MS is too inept, and so far no one else has the capital or tech resources. The only surprise I expect is from a foreign competitor who has nothing to lose by disregarding the Bush administration or other corporate fascists in America.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Both kevinrose an danhuard both dugg this very quickly after it was submitted. then diggnation followed soon after. Hmmmm....
- iKato, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Despite Yahoo!'s points, I still use Google. They're losing.
- SpeedyG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What a surprise! I get a 500 error when I try to post on the blog! So I'll post it here:
"Why should I believe any of this? It sounds JUST like marketing speak. And the comments that were made were in relation to the search engine, NOT any of the web portal stuff.
Heck, it wasn't too long ago when Yahoo's search engine was powered *by* Google. Isn't that a CLEAR indicator that Yahoo thinks that Google is the gold standard when it comes to search engines?" - bcnewman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"maybe their annoying IM client" ???
I'm not a fan of Yahoo! to be sure, but I always found their IM client to be preferable to the others (AIM, MSN, ICQ, etc.) excluding GAIM. Granted, I haven't used Yahoo's official IM client for about a year now, but has it really become that bad? I do not remember having ads crammed down my throat or anything. A few changes to the preferences and it was a pretty streamlined client. But that's just me... - dykesat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Yahoo story could be a product of the Digg buyout. :)
- 4answer2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I usually get better results from yahoo compared to google
- jmholloway, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i used to use yahoo for everything : messanger, mail, news, and everything.
i now use google for everything.
the only thing i like yahoo for anymore is their news homepage and how you can search in categories - damentz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2why is there already a green ribbon on the amount of diggs? right now its only at 24 diggs =O
- CaughtThinking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah Yahoo! Digg++;
Glad to see them step up for themselves. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0muikano. Sorry, but I just don't have that much faith in humanity to even begin believing any of that. They will all degenerate into the same type of corporate culture we have in any other industry. And no inventor or scientist shall ever run a company like GE again, ever, regardless of how it started. Re: America being the lone democracy... Kings and Queens, Skulls and Bones, big difference, not. It all evolves into something equally despicable, and more difficult for the common folk to identify as such.
But getting back to search performance, there is no great search engine until one supports regular expressions and the ability to tweak the algorithms for themselves (like shutting off pagerank among other things). - kyzy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0When internet users and others are saying you've "given up" you should just take it and use it to better what you have to offer and just get the job done instead of wasting time trying to "prove" that you've done something worth while.
This blog just sounded like a desperate attempt to stay in the battle.
Whether you've created other programs that have had the ultimate success or not, it's plain to see that Google is on top right now and will be for as long as it takes for something even better to come around. Whether this will ever happen... who knows. No search will ever be perfected. In one way or another, there will always be someone out there to complain.
Yahoo needs to regain their composure and just continue doing what they're doing and just suck it up.
I am currently a big user of Google AND Flickr. I use what programs work for me as I'm sure most of you bloggers do as well. That is how it will always work.
I wish all programmers the best of luck and await the technologies of tomorrow with hopes that they will make life easier, bring the world closer together and not invade our privacy in a way that will turn people against the internet or technology all together. - gekkokid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ricardo Baeza-Yates is a GOD in IR!
- JackSpratts, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0the poor conservatives, kicked around by the hyper sensitive liberal media yet again.
as if.
keith olbermann!
- js. - caldroun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I had trouble believing that they were just going to roll over like that quote suggested.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Why was this already dugg by Diggnation? And why such a glowing front-page writeup? Was this a paid advertisement? Is Digg getting paid to run stories?
- spacebar14, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@damentz: The green ribbon means that one of your friends has Dugg it . DUH
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I hardly use anything from google except search (via firefox searchbar). and I pretty much div block those obnoxious google ads. I find yahoo (specifically my.yahoo) to offer a much better service than whatever gimmicks and lameness that google has to offer. google just has search, and I'm not even sure they're all that great at that either (a clue for the clueless, no search engine is great, get over it). Not sure what the google fanboys are excited about, google generates about as much excitement for me as... oh say, tapwater... I just don't see any innovation from coming from them.
- RiddickRom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think you have to make the distinction between who Yahoo is aiming at and who Google are aiming at. Yahoo target the masses of newbies and try hard to cater to business. Google target everyone.
Any geek is always going to tell you a bad story about Yahoo, how it should be doing this or that but when you realise they are not targeting geeks and doing very well thank you very much not targeting them, why would they bother? - bluefire0728, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yahoo is sweeping up all of these little independent sites and services, from Flickr, to del.icio.us, to Upcoming, and now SearchFox. They must know what they are doing.
- mc4_a, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I had to sit through a speech from one of their executives recently. They are about five years behind the curve.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Anyone remember the statue that commemorates Yahoo! winning the email client war against Google? Same thing, folks. Same thing. Yeah, Yahoo!. "You won."
- CaughtThinking, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I suppose you can't expect much from people who are interested in being religious about a brand name.
Some of you need to open your eyes if you think Google is the best at all it does.
You aren't coming to Digg.com because Google News is awesome.
You aren't going to del.icio.us because Google Search is perfect.
Wake up people. - thomashawk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I meant WebJay, not Blu-Ray, I've got to get my mind off this HD DVD vs. Blue-Ray thing.
- muikano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0that's because youre weird jczer. Google's search is all gonked out on high end algorithms. While Yahoo is comparable, I'm not laying the hate because Yahoo provides bad services, it's that they don't have the same culture. Google is run by high academia. As such, it culture reflects that. A new style of management.
Kindah like how America was, way back when it was still a developing nation. America was the lone democracy in a world of Kings and Queens. And Google's corporate structure is based on fast infomration, and betaing. It's a new type of corporate structure. Not only that, they've got a constitution which lets them hold the public trust.
Yahoo gave China an IP address that led to a journalist being sentenced 10 years. I can't forgive that. Which seems kindah weird for me to say because I don't care if my 50 dollar Nike sneakers go to sweat shops. We all value different things. Supporting Google means putting another check and balance in American government since Google's best interest is our privacy. - thomashawk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0By the way, the Yahoo Blog is not the only place to see Decker's comments refuted. Out earlier than the Yahoo! Blog was Flickr's Caterina Fake. http://www.caterina.net/archive/000924.html
- compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Too bad their first announcement was correct.
- digitaldivider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yahoo is kidding themselves if they they they're number one. They may be a damn good "web portal" as it's termed but they aren't the best. Yahoo is a jack of all trades at best and a master at none. Google is becoming a 'web portal' itself and what's more, one that I like:
Google Search (including image search, video, etc.)
Gmail
Google Earth
Google News
Froogle
Gtalk
the list just keeps growing and growing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> Probably the speed that those 24 digs popped up..
No. - CaughtThinking, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Irrespective of Sue Decker's unfortunate commments Yahoo! knows exactly what they are doing."
Amen. Glad to see other people are occasionally caught thinking. - Tufriast, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Well, they don't site any numbers...so...I can't say they are right. Unless I see figures, I'm still with Google.
- jayf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Their service is bad, perhaps even downright insulting.
I got an e-mail from them to the effect that my building was ready for FTTH and when I tried to apply online the page wouldn't help me so I called them, was placed on hold forever then told that my building was NOT ready. I screamed at them and hung up. Then the very next day I got another e-mail like the first reminding me of all the greatness of FTTH.
Oh, and I use Google. - Cerberus047, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0but then realize that back in the day yahoo was the google all the ads and when it was at the top of its game now look at it... pothetic
- mr.hostility, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0And last but not least, you'll never beat google. Ever.
- MemoryDump, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I still wish Google would have bought Flickr. It would have went well with Picasa. Oh well.. at least Yahoo has 1 service I still use.. flickr
- battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I was just about ready to mark this boy all spam-like when :
"...What's my point? I want a Google / Yahoo merger. ..."
No digg, of course, but a merger - GENIUS! - bluefire0728, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"why is there already a green ribbon on the amount of diggs? right now its only at 24 diggs =O"
I'm not sure what you mean by this. It means that one of your friends has dugg it. - saysaknow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I mean diggnation dugg it? I don't know what I was thinking.
- Kev585, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Yaahooo!!
- KoZo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0i love yahoo! but its YM is definitely slow!
- snapcase, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Yahoo must be delusional if they think they have a better search engine than google.
- pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Seriously, who needs Yahoo's bloat when you have Google's speed/quality at your fingertips?
- zionKing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Yahoo reminds me of the blunder Coke made in changing their recipe. Yahoo's "recipe" started out simple and powerful and they enjoyed popularity. Getting complicated only opened them up for Google. And now look where they are... posting entries like this crying about how smart they are. Pathetic.
Yahoo had a good run. Unfortunately they ran toward trying to be more than what we want them to be. -
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