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- burke, on 10/12/2007, -7/+97"We have 79929 signatures so far - this is amazing! If we can get 100,000 signatures, we will deliver the petition to the Senate and House Commerce and Judiciary Commitees."
- LowenSoDium, on 10/12/2007, -3/+90No, our only political power is our wallets. STOP BUYING MUSIC, and they will go away. Things are going to get a whole worse before they get better.
- OperatorNo9, on 10/12/2007, -2/+68Don't you guys get it? Our only political power in situations like these is our numbers. Otherwise, the RIAA is the only one whispering in the government's ear. I agree that a physical letter to your congressman is also a good idea. But this is a show of force so to speak.
EDIT: EFF website getting hammered right now. So apparently a bunch of you get it. - Mesum, on 10/12/2007, -22/+62I can digg it for you but sorry to break your heart and tell you that no one gives a crap about online petitions.
- yensed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34This is the EFF. They know what they are doing. This isn't going to be just another online petition... The point of this isn't to try and tell congress "Omg, Like, Dude, P2P Of Copyrighted Files is fine, homies.". Its to make the RIAA change the tactics of the way they get to do things. If you think its right to sue a 12 year old girl, then you are a very sad person, and I'm sorry your life is that sad... I'm also not a fan of an association that is in no way affiliated with the government to have the ability to contact my ISP and get all my info.
P.S. I'm an iTunes user and have been for the past 3 years. I don't steal music. So don't think I'm saying this to justify Stealing music. - klang, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28Dear RIAA (and equivalent in other countries)
Release all copyrighted material older than 20 years and I will promise NEVER to copy any material that is copyrighted.
I pay taxes so, I pay for the government to protect the right of copyright holders. I will not pay for this protection unless I get something in return, so give me what I (and my forefathers) have been paying for and release everything older than a reasonable age. I suggest 20 years because you have been sucking the teat of protection far too long on some material. - glassjoe, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33IT'S A TRAP!!!
Haven't you seen that Simpson's episode where Homer won a free boat? - mikshir, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29First they came for the napster
and I did not speak out
because I did not have broadband.
Then they came for the morpheus
and I did not speak out
because I didn't like the ads.
Then they came for the kazzaa
and I did not speak out
because I couldn't find a Linux client.
Then they came for bittorrent
and I did not speak out
because it was too slow most of the time.
Then they came for portable mp3-player owners
and I did not speak out
because I still play from CDs
Then they came for the CD ripper/burner owners
and I did not speak out
because Sony's DRM fried my computer and now it doesn't work.
Then they came for Used-CD store shoppers
and I did not speak out
because all of the good stuff was taken at the stores anyways.
Then they came for people who loan albums to friends
and I did not speak out
because they had bad taste in music
Then they came for 12 year old girls
and I did not speak out
because I was not a 12 year old girl
Then they came for me and my cassette recording that happened to have a radio on in the background, thus containing privilaged content
and by that time they had convinced me
that I was still the worst kind of thieving pirate and deserved to have my possessions confiscated and my subhuman carcass thrown in jail. - thisisjace, on 10/12/2007, -19/+43It could happen.
- jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -10/+33people already stopped buying music, that just makes them angrier.. like the hulk.
a petition really isn't the way to go though - SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28@catankerous
That snopes article is about idiots who don't know who to submit petitions to. The EFF has a lot of experience in these matters and I trust them to be more effective than your average internet petitioner. Besides, what other petition has 100,000 signatures? - djdole, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21The RIAA isn't just targeting customers, The RIAA IS TARGETING EVERYONE.
They have an amended version of the DMCA which they are pushing through congress right now that will allow them to legally target anyone who creates, distributes, or uses (now or ever) any piece of software that allows the illegal sharing of copyrighted material, or software that circumvents digital protection.
If they get that pushed into law (read WHEN they get it pushed into law, since Dubya doesn't veto anything. And I doubt he even reads the ***** he signs, let alone THINK about the repercussions), they'll have a legal basis to prosecute anyone who has ripped a CD into mp3 file format. Or if you've ever downloaded even ONE mp3, (even if at the time that particular file was legal to download), if it ever is deemed that that file is now copyrighted then you'll be liable.
The RIAA is basically using congress and their ability to push bills through into law as a business model. They do it to expand their profit base when it comes to fleecing the public through random mass lawsuit settlements. - ragingchikn, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26"Paper-and-ink petitions are signed in a variety of handwriting styles, each unique to its signer. Consequently, signatures on a paper-and-ink petition cannot easily be faked else certain glaring similarities would show up in one entry after another.
E-petitions, however, come with no such assurance — the same person could have generated all of the signatures. Moreover, it takes little by way of programming skills to create a sequence of code that will randomly generate fake names, e-mail addresses, and cities (or whatever combination of same the e-petition calls for). Once written, such a program can be executed with a keystroke, resulting in the effortless generation of thousands upon thousands of "signatures."
Those in a position to influence anything know this and thus accord e-petitions only slightly more respect than they would a blank sheet of paper. Thus, even the best written, properly addressed, and lovingly delivered e-petitions whose every signature was scrupulously vetted by the petition's creator fall into the same vortex of disbelief at the receiving end that less carefully shepherded missives find themselves relegated to." - Snopes - Mike89, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26No it wasn't, Homer won a free boat but it was actually at the police station to pay his fines.
However, Peter [Family Guy] *also* won a freeboat, which wasn't a scam, he's just stupid and picked the Mystery Box instead. - ReinMasamuri, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21He's saying that a 12 year old shouldn't be attacked by a multi-million dollar organization.
Point of law: a 12 year old isn't an adult, so yes, they should be immune to civil lawsuites unless a judge deems them an adult. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23I just want to know two things:
1) Why does the RIAA support terrorism?
2) Why does the RIAA hate America? - gdog05, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16The EFF is a civil liberties group for geeks. These guys are one of the few (new groups are popping up like ipac) that are there to look after our interests. We can bitch and moan about the RIAA-MPAA mafia styled extortion, or we can try to do something about it. It might happen, it might not. I think it's gone on plenty long enough, and we have a group working on our behalf with the voice for us to be heard. I say toss your bullhorn into the crowd. Help these guys do their jobs. Will it change without your help? Maybe. Will it change if you do? Maybe not. But realize the power of democracy, and the power of a voice.
Maybe we all need a catalyst. Maybe we wait for the law to be changed to a 10 year prison stint for getting caught copying copyrighted material that may even include ripping a CD to your mp3 player. How many people want it to get that far? Well, the RIAA does. And they've got a pretty loud voice. And they've got a lot of money. All it takes is one Representative, Senator, Governor, whoever to be afraid of the numbers and speak out in favor of us. Then more will, because some of them do actually work for their people. Some do work in the favor of right vs. wrong. But they have to be able to hear us. Which is why the EFF is there.
My $.02
GDog - lengau, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16@burke: Unfortunately, the Coral Cache won't work this time, as it won't let us submit our signatures. It will work for those who merely want to view the page, though.
- transeunte, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20"No, our only political power is our wallets. STOP BUYING MUSIC, and they will go away. Things are going to get a whole worse before they get better."
This is so true that I even punched the table as I yelled "HELL YEAH".
Whining about stuff won't get you very far. - nox4444, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Agreed with the person above me. There's no harm in just signing it. Who knows it might actually work this time. Digg up!
- redivider, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16"No, our only political power is our wallets. STOP BUYING MUSIC, and they will go away. Things are going to get a whole worse before they get better."
I have an even better idea: Buy more music! Only make sure you buy it from independent artists who aren't associated with the RIAA! When people stop buying music altogether it hurts a lot of artists who really need the support and who do make money from the sale of their CDs...
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[/shamelessplug] - Googled, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15FGS, to all the people complaining thatnpetitions do nothing: it takes 2 seconds of your time, sitting back and moaning is going to do anything but signing it might.
- jsd8cc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13In addition to this, write your representative. http://www.house.gov/writerep/
If you're feeling lazy, add a few changes to the EFF letter:
"I am a former customer of the member labels of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). I love music and will gladly pay a fair price for it, but I am outraged by the RIAA's tactics in suing ordinary Americans for filesharing.
I condemn the RIAA's choice to force the family of a 12 year-old girl to forfeit $2,000 - money that could have gone to feed, clothe and educate this honor student. I stand with the retirees, parents, children and others who have been caught in the RIAA's line of fire.
I respect reasonable copyright law, but I strongly oppose copyright enforcement that comes at the expense of privacy, due process and fair application of the law.
I urge you, as my representative in Congress, to stop this madness.
I oppose the recording industry's decision to attack the public, bankrupt its customers and offer false amnesty to those who would impugn themselves. I call instead for a real amnesty: the development of a legal alternative that preserves file-sharing technology while ensuring that artists are fairly compensated.
In writing this, I request that the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), as representatives of the public interest, be included in any upcoming hearings regarding the proper scope of copyright enforcement in the digital age.
I sincerely thank you for your time." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Uh... consumers don't resort to extortion to fight for their rights.
The RIAA isn't fighting for any "rights" - they're manipulating the justice system and masking it behind copyright violations. - GrinningFool, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Yeah. Politicians always take seriously those electronic petitions signed by "*****" and "greedfascistpig".
Hate to burst the bubble here folks, but although you CAN make a difference, this isn't the way to do it. Try getting off your collective asses writing ACTUAL letters to your congressment. I can guarantee you that if they received 100,000 WRITTEN letters, they would notice.
100,000 electronic signatures? EFF will get a pat on the back before they're sent on home. - coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Where's the harm in trying? (don't damage your fragile fingers typing your name in that box!)
- Gwyddyon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10pirate: because the EFF is a reputable organization that´s been doing this sort of thing for some time now without, to the best of my knowledge, any of the problems you mention.
- search, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Yeah... I am not sure if an online petition will do as much as a written letter to your representative. They do respond with a higher sense of urgency if you are contacting them personally or at least through the proper channels.
There are a few website that send emails DIRECTLY to them. That might be a better route. - burke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10hmm, I guess I've never used coral for anything like this before. I guess I can't see why it would work :P
- clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Maybe you don't, but the EFF does and they are going to take it to congress.
This isn't just some stupid "Petition to get Susan kicked off the cheerleading squad because she has funky feet" crap. - Backlash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Signing a petition againts the RIAA's shenanigans != Being a pirate
- yves, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16The R-I-A-A can lick my N-U-T-S
- nvsocr7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10All I have to say is that I'm sick and tired of people bashing EACH OTHER on these forums. WTF PEOPLE! YOU ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT!!! Who cares if the petition is a "waste of time", at least SOMEONE is taking the initiative. Ann Coulter recently came to our school and was paid $25,000 to speak. Someone at our school decided to set up an online petition to have her invitation revoked. Granted, she was still allowed to come due to our school constitution, but the University offered an official apology to all students, faculty, and citizens as a result of the mass amount of people that signed the petition. Furthermore, my university has made NUMEROUS CHANGES to the way speakers are selected and brought in. The point of all this is that even something little can help make a difference. An entire university changed its policies because of an online petition that only had 2,000 signatures (school population is a little over 10,000 including graduate students). In the time it took you to say something derogatory towards someone that is in the same position as you (with regards to the RIAA) you could have signed the petition and possibly made a difference. Now I’m not saying a petition will do the job all on its own, but it WILL HELP! This country has millions of people, yea 100,000 signatures won't do much, but how about continually sending in more and more petitions, letters to congress, letters to the RIAA, and letters to ANYONE that has power and can help US make a change. This matter cannot go unnoticed for long. Eventually those corporate ***** will not be making enough money (due to OUR efforts) and a change will NEED to occur . We need to STICK together and not say stupid ***** about each other. We’re adults, not 4th graders. So how about instead of saying “oh this petition is a waste of time and will never work”, you say “oh look, someone is actually getting off their ass and being proactive so that the rest of us can be released from the grip the RIAA and the government has on us. I guess I can devote 30 seconds of my life to this cause instead of sitting here using my 30 seconds to complain about how it’s not going to work”. We can't fight big companies like this without starting somewhere!! So stop your whining and sign the petition; or come up with a better solution! (and actually go through with it!) There's no harm in TRYING now is there?
- ReinMasamuri, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9No, they ARE targeting customers. Economically speaking, anybody who has the potential to become a customer IS a customer.
Besides, I buy MP3's. So just because I download my music, even legally, does that make me a non-customer? - kevbryant, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11In the news next week. RIAA subpoenas for a list containing full information of over 100,000 pirates...Sues them ALL
- UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9http://digg.com/links/Tips_on_writing_your_congressman
- Googled, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Use a fake mailinator e-mail if you want, but you can trust the EFF
- greyfade, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@piratearghh
have you even paid attention to the RIAA's recent filings? they are suing CHILDREN. ELDERLY. DEAD PEOPLE. PEOPLE WHO OWN NO COMPUTER. the RIAA is getting out of hand. this isn't about "piracy" or "music theft". this is about an illegal extortionist cartel who is robbing and beating up the innocent.
they are a PROBLEM that needs to be DEALT WITH. i know i'm sick of it. i know most of their victims don't need or deserve it. some of these people can't even afford the extortion fees ($10,000USD for FIVE SONGS?) and you SUPPORT THIS? - penneyisok, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8mdshort, Well yes that's true (somewhat) but it doesn't mean that we don't hate the RIAA with a passion and would also like to see them burn in hell
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Why did this comment get undugg? The RIAA lobbies foreign governments as well. Fight them on all fronts!
- whoutz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I wrote a letter to Sen Carl Levin in Michigan (D) and said that he should abolish the DMCA. He wrote me back a letter and told me not to download pirated music. I never mentioned music nor did I really care because I don't own illegal music. It was a little insulting, so I'll never vote for him again. Maybe linux can charge $500 a copy, and charge $500 per support call like MSFT.
- misterpony, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8This isn't nearly a big deal to me as the morons who are letting the big-money lobbyists crush net neutrality - thus restricting our rights to access all websites equally. If you want to take up an issue that could really come back to hurt us, we should be focusing on these:
http://digg.com/technology/Save_the_Internet_2
http://digg.com/technology/AT_T_wants_to_take_over_the_Internet
http://digg.com/technology/AT_T_and_Verizon:_We_Own_Your_Congress - fume, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12"Dad, why arn't you saying anything? Where's our motorboat?"
"I didn't like it. The mast had termites."
"Why would a motor boat have a mast?"
"Because... the thingy was... shut up!" - jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Because that's not how the internet works. Coral Cache takes the contents of a webpage and places them on a bunch of servers that have no affiliation with the original website. Trying to submit a form will go nowhere .
Edit: Ah ignore, I misread what you said I thought there was an n't after would. - newevilmind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7the RIAA represents the "Big 4" major labels.
Stop buying music on these labels : Universal, Sony BMG, EMI, Warner (including the labels they own and operate).
most of their music is ***** anyway, but if you MUST have something they put out just get a copy from a friend. Only BUY music on independent labels, then the RIAA will be finished. - gann, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Anyone interested in writing a Google Maps application that show the distribution of all signees?
- sp4rky, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Even if it doesn't work, so what. It is worth a shot and it only takes seconds to fill out.
- DDRSkata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@mark1372: That article fails to take into account the times petitions have done something. For example, getting Family Guy on DVD (which eventually led to it being brought back from Cancellation Hell) and Invader Zim being brought to DVD (with the new episodes that hadn't aired in the US). If it can work with two separate bloated, gluttonous companies, why can't it work with the bloated, gluttonous company running this country?
- p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7At some point, it's for the bitchin' to end and some form of action to begin (and then resume the bitchin').
Petition signed. Thanks for tbringing this to us. - DDRSkata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@Pottersquash: His point is not that he wants the government getting his info. His point is that some random organization shouldn't be able to get his information. If the government was going through a criminal investigation, they could get your info, and however much it would suck, it would be justified. But some random group of rich executives having free reign over other people's private information? That's not right.
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