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- idcamm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+80XM is awesome. The RIAA is just getting more and more out of control, they just try to get a piece of everything
- thebhef, on 10/12/2007, -0/+55I don't really care about satellite radio that much - I've never listened to it, nor do I plan to - but the fact that they're standing up for their technology and the rights of consumers is awesome..
- NICU, on 10/12/2007, -0/+53XM and Sirius are both great services, I'm a Sirius subscriber and I would love to see Sirius stand behind XM on this lawsuit. I know they'd like to see XM get punished, but that would set a terrible precedent and the RIAA would not stop at XM. I can't wait until they start suing people for singing along in their cars or in the shower, if it were up to the RIAA that probably wouldn't be fair use either..
- jessecollins, on 10/12/2007, -2/+49I don't think the RIAA has realized yet that the harder they push these stupid lawsuits, the harder we are going to push back and stop buying ANY CD's.
- netwookiee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44Let's try and link directly to the original article and not someone's blog:
Original article at XM's site:
http://www.xmradio.com/lineup/statement.jsp?refsrc=hp_ex - mcflynnthm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24Seriously. The more I read about these ***** lawsuits, the less I feel like donating money to their cause. I've checked their member list to determine whether or not I'm buying a certain CD more than once.
- auratus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23"your right to enjoy them in court and before Congress"
What if I want to enjoy them at home and in private?
;-) - ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23Exactly WHEN are you going to start pushing back, might I ask? Typing about it on digg is not pushing back. Supporting XM from your armchair is not pushing back. We Brits watch this going on from across the pond and think "Are you ***** mental?" You're not doing anything. An armchair revolution is not a threat. Start boycotting RIAA labels. Produce some flyers. Get political about something damnit. Considering the amount of elections you guys go through each political cycle, your level of activity seems ridiculously low.
- jkoski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19I subscribe to Sirius (and begrudgingly understand why they paid instead of fight) but I really think XM is showing some stones here and is willing to fire the first big shot back at the RIAA. I'm surprised though because Clear Channel has some ownership in XM, don't they?
I, like dogearedboy, hope this doesn't turn into a battle between XM & Sirius fans ('Little Doggy'? Bite me.). The only battle that should matter when it comes to digital entertainment is ALL OF US vs. the RIAA. - leed25d, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18"We will vigorously defend these radios and your right to enjoy them in court and before Congress, and we expect to win."
Ah yes. Beautifully worded. - surfdude, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20RIAA = Radical Insane Asinine Agency
- dark1152, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Hell Yea! It's about time the RIAA bit off more than it can chew! Instead of going after Grandmas who don't own computers they've decided to pick on someone a little bigger, and it's going to bite them in the ass!
- Poco, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20XM is awesome. I don't use either, but the fact that Sirius rolled over for the RIAA and XM did not makes XM awesome. If I ever get satellite radio it will be XM just because of this.
- clr211, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14"Let's try and link directly to the original article and not someone's blog:
Original article at XM's site:
http://www.xmradio.com/lineup/statement.jsp?refsrc=hp_ex"
Thank you. It sucks when their blog can't handle the incoming traffic....kinda defeats the purpose of posting the story if no one can read it. - yonnage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10... Didn't the same thing happen when the casette tape first came out and it was recordable? This is just the RIAA wanting a piece of the action.
- scarton, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Ummm...what are these "CDs" you're talking about? It's been so long since I bought one that I can't remember.
- threemagic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The problem is they are NOT doing that. It's more akin to a DVR service where it's paid for then recorded on 1 device.. and once your service is gone, so is what you've recorded. It doesn't go anywhere else but that machine...
Subscription models allow you to download and play them in other places OTHER then where it was originally downloaded. Many allow for CD burning... This device absolutely does NOT. - dogearedboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I've been a loyal XM subscriber for about a year now. Good for them.
BTW, I love the idea they use with the Inno with the option of an additional antenna actually in the headphones.
Let's just hope this doesn't turn into a battle between the XM and 'Little Doggy' Camps.
Spread the Virus! - Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Your right, perhaps you should draw RIAA's attention to karoke bars. After all, that music is sung many times with no repeating fees and (although I doubt RIAA cares) usually very poorly!
It's not a loophole in fair use, ITS THE FRIGGING IDEA. - liquidoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Well, let's start suing everyone who has ever produced a tape deck or a VCR or a DVD Recorder then, too. YAY! FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS FOR EVERYONE!!
- xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16if you guys read the lawsuit, the suit is about the Pioneer radio unit that records their broadcasts. Sirius signed a deal with the RIAA to allow recordings on the S50 unit. XM did not have such a deal. Sirius is never going to back XM on this. freedom to record stuff has nothing to do with this case. don't confuse them.
- mattcohn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"No, time shifting is fair use. Archiving for repeated playback is copyright violation."
They made the VCR illegal now? What about the casette recorder? TiVo? When did all this happen? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13@ByteGuerilla:
"Exactly WHEN are you going to start pushing back, might I ask? Typing about it on digg is not pushing back. We Brits watch this going on from across the pond and think "Are you ***** mental?"
We Americans watch as you let your government start assuming that if you've encrypted anything you must be a terrorist and jail you for it (digg front page yesterday) and wonder the same thing about you.
All that heavenly back-lighting just makes you a better target. As long as you've still got Tony Blair, you have no moral authority to point fingers at anyone else. Clean up your own yard before complaining about ours. - liquidoc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9woah, you're telling me that after most people record a tv show on a video tape or a radio show/song on an audio tape or anything that they record for that matter, they only watch it once and then destroy it?! I've never heard of anyone doing that.
oh, and your comment gets modded down because you're stupid. - candlebougie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8everybody interested in this case should read this: http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/details-on-the-riaa-vs-xm-radio-lawsuit.html
all the details on this lawsuit and the actual filling
"This suit does not just affect XM, and not even just SIRIUS indirectly (with their new wearable coming out soon, there's no doubt it will have recording capabilities), but jeapordizes all consumer electronic devices that can receive and record a broadcast of any sort (such as DVRs)."
"According to several sources, XM offered the RIAA payments similar to the agreement made with Sirius, and in fact offered more compensation. But the RIAA didn't want this because it sets a precidence of a la carte device settlements. Yet another reason why Sirius isn't necessarily out of hot water yet. Should the RIAA be successful with this suit, and let's all hope they're not, they will be able to define the scope of a "distribution" right as any service that transmits and allows the recording of a broadcast. That means that not just satellite radio, but terrestrial radio and internet radio would all be at risk." - Gidien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Well at least RIAA is attacking someone besides Joe Consumer. Have fun in court with someone who can actually afford to mount a good defense :)
- Rufunki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'd love it if XM, Sirius, Apple, and all the new media's that are coming about got together, and formed there own alliance, maybe it will get some of the artist to start going there, this shouldn't be hard, offer to pay then more then .1% or whatever little amount that they get, this way, the RIAA won't have artist to exploit, the artist make money on more then just there concerts, will get more exposure, and eventually the RIAA will have to buy from this new alliance for there CD sales.
I truly believe that this is being motivated from both the RIAA, and the NAB. The NAB really doesn't want to continue to loose people the way that they are, I bet that they are already eating crow by having a Sat Radio morning show, on some of there biggest markets back east.
Both XM and Sirius are wonderful services, the real fight is between the old industry (RIAA & NAB) and the new industry (Sat Radio, internet music services). - meatstack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I respectuflly disagree. they are using a time-shift model, similiar to a Tivo or other DVR to move programming to a time of the listener's choosing. As far as I can tell, there is no way to remove the music from the device (other than put a recording microphone in front of the speaker). And, as we all know, attempting to create such a device that would "rip" the music from it would violate the DMCA.
- tlynch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Actually Chris it is an issue for Sirius since the agreement they made was only for the S50 and it limited the number they could produce. It didn't cover any future devices.
- Noelix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Thanks for posting the 'original' link instead of some commentary about the original link.
- deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7RIAA == Really Insane Audio *****
- enforcerpsu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7wow, you suck. Go ahead mod me down. I don't care. You attutude toward recording is terrible.
I have every right to watch or listen to something when I feel like it if I have already payed for it. - steger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Ramone, bring me some lawyers.
- jkoski, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Hmmm... so recording to tape from the radio where you can keep unlimited amount of music on multiple tapes or audio files when you've paid NO royalty fees is ok when saving music to a limited-memory device that you CANNOT transfer music from when you've paid fees via your subscription isn't?
Let me state that again. THE RECORD COMPANIES HAVE ALREADY BEEN PAID ROYALTY FEES BECAUSE OF THE SUBSCRIPTION!!
Don't forget your helmet when you get on the short bus to go home. - tkemory, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Although I currently dont subscribe to XM I am 100% behind them. The music industry is out of control with the precedent that has been set so far in the courts. Hopefully this will help things become a little more sensible.
Good luck XM! - enforcerpsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5XM, I salute you. Its about time someone (or a company) stood up for their rights. Its a shame it took this long
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@auratus
YOU RULE!! Glad to see grammar NAZIs have a sense of humour! - garraeth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Links dead...here's another writeup: http://www.*****.com/idx.php/0/093/0/article/No-You-Cant-Save-Your-Music.html
- scotw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Its about time the RIAA were sorted out - fair use is exactly that - Fair. The idea that someone can dictate when and where I can enjoy a product that I have purchased is ridiculous and we need to remind the lawmakers that the law is there to protect the public, not companies. No one would buy a car that dictated when and where it was driven, when I buy a product I should be free to use it as I please.
They should get out and sort out the organised pirates instead of picking on their customers. Glad to see a company standing up for the rights of ordinary folks. - jkoski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No it's not. Why do you think we still have VCR's? If that were the case, they would have been sued out of existence long ago.
- tallgreen, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Yeah, is that some kind of music tape, or something. Please provide more information when posting about archaic technology.
- Ace25, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You are 100% wrong. With the XM radio as soon as you unsubscribe from the service all the songs on the portable are locked and you can't access them. There is absolutely no legal way of listening to the songs without a subscription.
I have been an XM subscriber since July 2001 and actually have 2 accounts. I haven't listened to enough Sirius to make a fair judgment of which is better, but I do like XM. It's because of the initial cost I put in (over $700 for the equipment in the beginning when I was a beta tester for XM) that keeps me from trying out Sirius.
I hope XM wins this case though as I feel they are in the right on this one. - ArcusOfSV, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Makes me want to go buy an XM..
- Gidien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Based on your logic we should do away with all means of recording music/video from the original transmission.
- AWBoy666, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is a really smart move on XMs part. Now I'm actually interested in buying one just to fund their lawsuit!
- jkoski, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Wow, they put computers in 'special' classrooms.
- actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4ByteGuerilla makes a good point. Boycott them.
- squeakyg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They are determined to force us to never want to buy a CD again with their stupid lawsuits.
- 15charmaxwtf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Exactly. The more fuss they make the more their mainstream buyers will hear it.
- candlebougie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I LOVE THE XM SUITS!! Gary Parsons fights back....
http://www.xm411.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=24847
Washington, D.C. April 26, 2006 -- Gary Parsons, XM Satellite Radio chairman of the board, is scheduled to testify today before the Senate Judiciary Committee at a hearing entitled "Parity, Platforms, and Protection: The Future of the Music Industry in the Digital Radio Revolution."
In prepared testimony, Parsons says:
"Satellite radio is an American success story, and we play by the rules. We pay for the right to play music. And our manufacturers pay for our subscribers right to record what is played."
"In addition to exposing customers to new music, XM also pays tens of millions of dollars to performing artists, songwriters, record labels and music publishers. While terrestrial radio giants are exempt from paying performance rights, XM Radio is the largest single payor of sound recording performance royalties."
"Congress created balanced copyright laws to protect the rights of users as well as rightsholders. XM protects the interests of content owners, and will strongly fight to defend consumers as well."
"We pay [royalties] under the structure put in place by Congress in 1998 and supported by the major record labels at that time. Now, the record industry is back, asking you to rewrite the established rules for performance rights%u2026just as we begin the renegotiation of rates for the next five years. Based on our current rates alone, satellite radio will pay hundreds of millions of dollars over this period."
"The proposed Perform Act is not about piracy. And given that it changes the rules for XM but not for broadcast radio, it is not about parity either."
%u201CThe labels also seek to eliminate long-held consumer rights. For decades, a consumer%u2019s right to record material for their personal use off the radio has been upheld by the courts, honored by Congress, and reinforced by the Audio Home Recording Act.%u201D
%u201CWe have introduced a new generation of innovative devices to let subscribers hear live XM on the go%u2026Just because it%u2019s convenient, doesn%u2019t mean it%u2019s illegal. XM and its manufacturing partners designed these devices to fully comply with copyright law. And despite the record companies%u2019 claims, recording from the radio is not a download service.%u201D -
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