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- DeviantDragon, on 12/28/2007, -4/+59Who the ***** is the WTO to challenge Captain Jack Sparrow!
- orxor, on 12/28/2007, -1/+41So according to the RIAA that's like what 3 or 4 mp3s?
- BigManOnCampus, on 12/28/2007, -2/+25I'd rather just have online gambling. What's the harm?
- MaTT2011, on 12/28/2007, -4/+22Lmao that is great, i can just see 100 years into the future, at future Disney land of course, the PotC ride will have animitronic nerds and computers spouting clever lyrics glorifying the mighty lifestyle of the ye old software pirates on the open seas of t3h interwebs.
- Tweedy, on 12/28/2007, -3/+19No it's under the impression that if the United States does not treat other countries fairly then those other countries do not have to treat the US fairly.
- jgzman, on 12/28/2007, -0/+15Copyright between countries is part of international trade, agreed to in the WTO. US copyright laws do not apply in China, except inasmuch as China agrees to uphold them.
Part of the same agreement (the WTO) is that we will not ban foreign businesses from doing things that we allow our own businesses to do. In this case, we are. Since we have violated the agreement, there is no reason for the other party to abide by it. It is pretty much the same as breaking a treaty, only there is an extra layer of administration, to keep things under control. - Drahkar, on 12/28/2007, -0/+15The US Population has been saying that for years. Too bad the government doesn't listen to them anymore.
- Sabarok, on 12/28/2007, -0/+14It is only through international treaties that copyrights can work in other countries. Because of sovereignty, Antiguan laws wouldn't apply in the US, and US laws wouldn't apply in Antigua, laws such as copyright. Without a treaty, copyrights registered in the US would have no enforceability in other countries. Both the US and Antigua have signed treaties through the WTO in regards for both copyrights and trade. Since the US isn't living up to their end of the "fair trade" treaty, Antigua is being given some slack in their "copyright" treaty. If you annul the treaties, then by default, Antiguans can do whatever they want with US copyrights.
- Error601, on 12/28/2007, -13/+26Is the WTO under some bizarre the impression that the US government owns those copyrighted materials? That's like punishing someone by letting the victim take his neighbor's stuff.
- inactive, on 12/28/2007, -11/+23Well then I guess the U.S. Govt. should have kept their noses out of other country's business.
- jcounterman, on 12/28/2007, -6/+18So the US government screws up, and the WTO decides to attack copyright holders?
This may be the only time I side with hollywood and music companies, but come on; This isn't punishing the right people. - rhartman, on 12/28/2007, -0/+11Since the US voluntarily joined the WTO and agreed to abide by its regulations with regards to trade?
- SantafromNorth, on 12/28/2007, -4/+15So piracy is OK under some circumstances under the WTO? This is brilliant. One wonders if the MPAA and RIAA will sue the US government for this potential damage. Certainly seems like a bigger damage to their brands than a bunch of college kids downloading stuff.
- treed, on 12/28/2007, -0/+8Welcome to the Caribbean, luv.
- rhartman, on 12/28/2007, -0/+8This article isn't entirely accurate and the comments here are reflecting it. Antigua/Barbudo aren't being given permission to "pirate", they are being awarded $21 million worth of compensation in the form of American media. It's still a weird way for the WTO to resolve the whole Online Gambling dispute that the two countries rightfully brought to the WTO - but I suppose no weirder than the USA saying, "Online gambling is bad and forbidden in our country, unless it's OUR online gambling (horse racing)."
- nizzy1115, on 12/28/2007, -2/+10Only if you are a grandma without a computer.
- Bhima, on 12/28/2007, -0/+8Because it is immoral and you live in a christian theocracy.
- blakyce, on 12/28/2007, -0/+8Using RIAA or MPAA math the $21 million in allowed pirated copies would be about 3 CD's and a DVD, what with their exponential damage calculations.
- MWeather, on 12/28/2007, -4/+12US Businesses ARE the US Government.
- NJank, on 12/28/2007, -0/+7nah... they've amounted to nothing since Ice Cube left.
- luggypm, on 12/28/2007, -2/+9What has piracy to do with internet gambling? When W got in a lot a laws were passed in the US to put a stop to internet gambling (because of the support of the christian right). Unfortunately there were powerfull US states with gambling industries and the laws had to be written so as not to put a stop to their income (& thus campaign contributions).
This left the US with a law that said you could gamble with Nevada but not Antigua, and WTO rules quite clearly prohibit passing laws that forbid this. You can either ban an industry or allow it , but you cannot ban it from international suppliers whilst allowing national suppliers to provide the service. (Incidently these policies and the WTO were pushed for by the US to benefit it's corperations).
So Antigua complains to the WTO that the US is unfairly freezing out their industry. The WTO agrees and tells the US to stop it - either ban internet gambling completely or let any properly run company ( US or not ) supply the services.
The current administration didn't like this but (for once) appeals and stalling got them no where. The WTO finally said "you're guilty, comply with the ruling and change your laws.". So the administration went away and came back (having done absolutely nothing) and said "OK, we've complied.", kind of like getting a parking ticket, not paying and then telling the judge that you've paid.
Antigua complained and the WTO agreed again, and ask the US to "comply with the ruling, no really, actually comply this time and not just say you have." Again, the US does nothing but bluster and say the WTO's wrong. So Antigua applies to have it's IP obligations to the US suspended if the US doesn't comply by the deadline.
The deadline arrives and the US has done nothing. So now , because the US ignored one set of obligations the WTO has allowed Antigua to ignore another set to counterbalance the loss cause by the US's illegal anti-gambling laws. Presumably the idea is that now the MPAA, RIAA and other IP industries will pressure the administration to actually comply with the WTO ruling.
When you join a trade organisation (or any organisation) you agree to obey the rules. Now, do you people want a world where trade is free and fair, or do you just want to let the biggest kid in the playground to get their way regardless ? Because one day the US might just find that it's not the biggest kid in the playground anymore. - cyrix, on 12/28/2007, -2/+9Pirates of the Caribbean: The Search for 300 in HD
I heard Stallman is playing Blackbeard. - MWeather, on 12/28/2007, -0/+6Since we signed the treaty.
- AirRaven, on 12/28/2007, -0/+6...$21 million? That's peanuts.=|
It's not going to hurt the USA in the least- a token judgement, if anything. Mind- there's absolutely no way of easily ascertaining just *how much* pirated stuff is made in Antigua, so it's effectively unenforceable. - bryan879, on 12/28/2007, -8/+14That still doesn't make since. The WTO gave two countries the right to legally steal from private business in the US because of what the government did. How does that make any sense?
- nopointinnames, on 12/28/2007, -0/+6Yeah it is ***** the government tells you what you can and can not do with your money, if I want to bet my own hard earned money on a game or poker then I should be damn well able to. I understand if the government intervened if I was trying to acquire a damn nuke or something, but who ever got hurt playing a $5 buy in tournament over the internet?
- ironhide, on 12/28/2007, -0/+6So that whole "free trade" thing is a lie eh?
- doctechnical, on 12/28/2007, -2/+8I'm not so sure this was a bright idea - one possible re-retaliation that comes to mind is the USA blocking their interweb tubes to and from Antigua and Barbuda.
- luggypm, on 12/28/2007, -0/+5I love the way people come on here and say "Screw the WTO, lets leave it." . I don't even care if the door hits your ass on the way out, cos once you're out of it all your international copyright treaties go as well. Free and LEGAL torrents of movies, music , software, tv and anything else.
The US economy gains far more from being in the WTO than this little loss. Take your ball and go home - the game would be much more fun without you in it anyway. - MRintheKeys, on 12/28/2007, -0/+5“ In an honest Service, there is thin Commons, low Wages, and hard Labour; in this, Plenty and Satiety, Pleasure and Ease, Liberty and Power; and who would not balance Creditor on this Side, when all the Hazard that is run for it, at worst, is only a sower Look or two at choaking. No, a merry Life and a short one shall be my Motto ”
-- Bart Roberts - imtigger2, on 12/28/2007, -0/+5Screw the Pirate Bay, I want Demonoid back!
- jezsik, on 12/28/2007, -0/+5The government shot itself in the collective foot on that one. As soon as they banned on-line gambling, all the on-line casinos moved overseas (and underground). Good-bye tax revenue.
- kingp, on 12/28/2007, -1/+5Gentlemen, I wash my hands of this weirdness...
- kabewm, on 12/28/2007, -0/+4Article 6: This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
- MWeather, on 12/28/2007, -2/+6And accurate.
- lazyfisherman, on 12/28/2007, -3/+7What the hell is this? Madness.
- threemagic, on 12/28/2007, -1/+5I think the harm is that an estimated 3+ billion of untaxed US dollars will be flowing out of the country each year. I'm sure that's what their issue is.
- bryan879, on 12/28/2007, -2/+6Fines levied at the government and not a innocent 3rd party for starters.
- inactive, on 12/28/2007, -0/+4"The problem here is that $21m is not very much."
Yeah, according to the RIAA that's the price of one album. - strictnein, on 12/28/2007, -0/+3I don't let that damn treaty control me! On a related note: my dog just grew another leg.
- luggypm, on 12/28/2007, -0/+3Yep - because your ELECTED politicians thought they ignore their international obligations. Theoretically you should be able to sue your government for doing this. Best of luck with that.
- actorboy, on 12/28/2007, -1/+4norman619, were you not aware that torrent trackers are for-profit businesses?
- jakem1, on 12/28/2007, -3/+6What are you talking about? Although I'm no fan of gambling, it's clear that the US government's laws banning online gambling are merely designed to protect existing American-based gambling businesses from foreign competition.
Your lead-painted toy analogy makes no sense because it's not as if your government is banning all gambling. To correct your analogy, it's more like the US government banning Chindiian lead-painted toys while allowing a large toy manufacturer in Nevada to make the exact same toys using the exact same paint. - Anth, on 12/28/2007, -1/+4Nothing, but the intent of the WTO is to send a signal to the US that if you engage in protectionism and crap on someone else's livelyhood (online gambling based out of Antigua) while holding a double standard (online betting on horse races), they'll come back and allow Antigua to crap all over the US's biggest export (entertainment).
The US would be fine if it outlawed online gambling entirely. But as long as it has a protectionist stance (allows gambiling from companies inside the US but not outside), the WTO has a problem with that. - jggr, on 12/28/2007, -3/+6I think that people should be given the choice.
- solidus636, on 12/28/2007, -0/+3Time to become a pirate ;)
- amirman, on 12/28/2007, -0/+3that would make some ISPs pretty pissed
- KingGorilla, on 12/28/2007, -0/+3Madness? this is antigua!!!
I'm sorry, 300 killed that word for me - hiikeeba, on 12/28/2007, -0/+3Well if file sharing is okay. . .
- caffiend, on 12/28/2007, -1/+4Don't you know online gambling is rigged?
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