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- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -16/+183Still, the president will deny that he has done any wrong doing. Instead, he will say that he needed to completely ignore the law, because you know.... protect us from the terrorists. Did he get the memo?
Under current law, they can spy on someone WITHOUT WARRENTS FOR UP TO 72 HOURS.
My fellow Americans, the president is a liar and a fool. The fact remains that he broke the law, and don't let him give you that "in a post 9/11 world, I had to do it to protect this Country" *****. You cannot protect MY Country when you just willy-nilly break OUR laws. That's the most hypocritical, idiotic thing I have ever heard.
Who's with me? - Jherad, on 10/12/2007, -3/+155Don't worry - just a bad link (hahah) to their 'complete text'.
Try: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70944-0.html
(they missed a 'L' on the end of html in the link). Just downloaded the PDF, so looks like it is working. - teehee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+144The good stuff:
http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/att_klein_wired.pdf
Going to go hide now, thx. - eclectro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+54DOH!!! Wired get's it's internet pipe from AT&T!
- breakneckridge, on 10/12/2007, -10/+59I'm glad everyone can finally see that the emperor has no clothes, but WHY COULDN'T YOU SEE THIS BEFORE THE ELECTION?!? I've heard interviews with people who voted for Bush in 2004 who now think he is a bad president. He's been doing the exact same stuff in his second term that he did in his first, so what's changed in the past year and a half that suddenly changed their minds?!
- eclectro, on 10/12/2007, -8/+53If it was a democratic congress he would be impeached already. Not that democrats are any better.
But I consider this more important than what the meaning of the word "is" is. - padewak, on 10/12/2007, -4/+48hey buddy,
in REALITY .... it is not wrong to argue an assertion made by demagogues.
in REALITY .... there is nothing wrong with having a different opinion
in REALITY .... calling people names when they challenge authority, does not make you smart
in REALITY .... liberal thinkers are 100% American, just like you.
in REALITY .... you are just an amateur neocon hack, that has not met your weekly liberal attack quota
in REALITY .... you have nothing meaningful to say
in REALITY .... you are a mean-spirited person
in REALITY ..... you blame everyone else for your problems.
now go take your medicine, and calm the ***** down.
-spread love, not hate - rudderless, on 10/12/2007, -3/+47I am. Well said, chicken(?!). Last I checked, this country was designed to be ruled by laws that were executed by a president, not ruled by a president who did whatever he felt was necessary to protect the country. It's just not designed that way. Keeps us from falling into totalitarianism and all that. I hope.
- hellomynameisop, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43there was a study done at MIT that proves that tinfoil hats actually _increase_ reception of any surreptitious "signals"
- DMCau, on 10/12/2007, -2/+39A mirror of the entire PDF:
http://www.filecloud.com/files/file.php?user_file_id=164248 - ginzberg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+33A few weeks back I watched "V for Vendetta." I was entertained by the comic book depiction of 'fixing' a government that has grown far too powerful and corrupt. The very next day, I rented "Good Night and Good Luck," and again I was entertained. This time by the true life depiction of how subtle, risky, moves can play a large part preventing such growth. I was then quickly saddened by the fact that something like what those players had done to prevent the continuing blur of fear and accusation that accompanied the McCarthy trials could never happen today. I had lost hope in today's media to go against the grain and fight for the peoples' liberties.
This is one of those examples that is as important. There is evidence that suggests that all Americans are being lied to by our Government. There is evidence that suggests that our privacy has been compromised, at the hands of our Government agencies.
I like to picture the geeks at wired sitting in a smoke filled room... possibly in black and white, discussing whether or not they should post this document. I am glad they did.
Big digg for this. - dvddesign, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34I would like to remind all registered American citizens:
This is an election year. One that could put a democratic Senate and House back into power. If we're all so against all of what's been allowed to occur, I think we need to get out there and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT COME NOVEMBER 7th!
Vote! - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34The government will just keep rubbing money on the problem till it goes away. I don't really see anything much happening with this. The worst thats gonna happen is congress has some sort of probe, brings some people in to be asked questions, get a few newspaper headlines, then is disappears after a few weeks not to be heard from again. Like the whole big oil CEO investigation.
And please, you people who are going on about "this wouldn't have happened if a democrat was in power...blah blah blah" get it thru your god damn heads that it doesn't matter, the elephant and the ass are all stuffing their pockets. They don't give a ***** about us anymore, to them we're just a way to get to a nice job where you're pretty much immune from most laws, and you get huge kick backs from special interest groups. - daedpid1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33FTA: "The court's gag order is very specific in barring only the EFF, its representatives and its technical experts from discussing and disseminating this information. The court explicitly rejected AT&T's motion to include Klein in the gag order and declined AT&T's request to force the EFF to return the documents."
Wired is not barred from discussing anything - burntfire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32Don't repost your buried comment. It's buried for a reason. Let it go.
- brucer69, on 10/12/2007, -7/+37Most Americans are still waiting for someone else to tell them what to think.
- Joe091, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31This is actually pretty big. That's some hard evidence they have against AT&T and the NSA as well. With this being released to the public, it makes it more likely that AT&T will lose their lawsuit and something might happen to stop the NSA from doing this. We can only hope. And if you really want change, VOTE IN NOVEMBER!
- richardtallent, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31Petronski, let me break it down for your little commie-lovin' ass:
Spying on Nazis: good.
Spying on citizens: bad. - breakneckridge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31And that's OUR money they're using in order to defeat OUR best interests.
- MikeMacMan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31Are we all going to jail for reading this?
- tybris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28:-o American news-media that actually do their job? Now I have seen everything.
- Daem0nX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31kwoof - I see a clear exception to the rules when someone does something illegal to show you something like this. I would rather have Wired break a law and leak documents so _everyone_ can learn about it, than the Govt break the law and lie to _everyone_. Wired is definitely being the lesser of two evils right now.
- DocDEB, on 10/12/2007, -13/+40In November use the power we have and vote the Republican majorities out. Nothing will happen in Congress for the next two years because of the investigations the Democrats will start but that would be a good thing. Cut GW's balls off in November!
- filovirus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30I initially bought in to BUSH and the weapons of mass destruction angle. Like many other Americans, I was hooked with this bait and supported the war. In retrospect, knowing that the weapons of mass destruction was a ruse, I have decided that Bush is a zealot and a horrible president. And I voted for the man twice.
There may not be something illegal about domestic spying, but it is ethically and morally suspect and all of the evidence should be brought out for the public to view. The only problem is America is too wrapped up in American Idol and the Sopranos to really give a *****.
RAAAAMONE, the NSA needs some sunlight.
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27"The worst thats gonna happen is congress has some sort of probe, brings some people in to be asked questions, get a few newspaper headlines, then is disappears after a few weeks not to be heard from again. "
Did anyone else notice that as soon as bush invaded Iraq, all mention about Afghanistan disappeared from (corporate-owned) 'news' in the US?
They just wanted to build their damn (Unocal) gas pipeline, after clearing away some people whose lives were in the way.
No need to have the american citizenry watching their scandalous, murderous activities.
The so-called 'war' in Afghanistan just disappeared from the news! - acdcbag, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27Getting paid? Watch them all get paid when the whole Net Neutrality thing falls through. That's how they'll be paid. The phone companies get their premium prices for bandwidth allocation, the gov't gets it Total Information Awareness, and you and I get the shafty shaft. Word to CHICKEN101!
- Sandwiches_Time, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin
- Uhhh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25So we're at war with ourselves?
- Red_Eye, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Naww they weren't paid. They will make enough money when the government looks the other way and they become Ma Bell again after sucking all the baby bells up. Hmm wait that almost sounds like.........
- addw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24Well done Wired News. I wish that more of the press had the balls to do this sort of thing.
- eclectro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23That's the rub. Instead of goverment agencies showing up with a court order they showed up with a pocket full of cash.
- Punani, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22@Petronski
It seems many people, such as yourself, believe that the government, and specifically the President has the authorization to issue broad and sweeping orders without any Congressional or third-party oversight to do whatever is necessary to "defend the homeland". I'm not sure if it was from that act that Congress passed soon after 9.11 where it basically said that the President is authorized to use any means to stop terrorist activities. These kind of broad expansions of power never really last as the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution comes to mind.
However, your argument about warrantless wiretapping some how being equivalent to the secrecy involving the cracking of the Enigma Code is odd. First off, that was a government project that did not run over existing laws. The problem for many, I think, regarding the NSA wiretaps isn't that people do not support its intentions, but that the lack of oversight and disregard for existing laws. These actions also seem to indicate, coupled with high turnaround, that the law enforcement agencies that should be doing this stuff anyway are in need of serious revamping. - CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27you are a fool
- elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24Everyone, do what you can do mod the parent post up so that everybody knows how to get the actual story.
- Aidenag, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Were with ya wired, This is what made america what it is today, Civil Disobedience when facing govt BS.
Keep up the fight!
- davidv, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22How ironic that this was talked about last night on This Week in Tech, and they speculated that AT&T must be hiding sometihng big and bad if they were putting forth so much energy to make sure the documents remained out of the publics grasp. Can't wait to see what sort of dirt they dig up on these guys.
- picaro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21They can't stop the signal.
- yllabianbitpipe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18This situation reminds me of how power corrupts. Technology is a wonderful thing but in the wrong hands it can become a tool for the same old power grab games. It's sad to see that on one hand the internet can be used as a tool for spreading information, giving the average joe a voice, and raising living standards globally, but on the other hand it can be used as a spy surveillance tool to keep a population scared and living in fear. I hope the former can somehow trump the latter or we'll all be living in some Phillip K. Dick world sooner than later.
Wired knows the technology itself is not to blame. I think I'll renew my subscription just because of this. - monobrau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18The real irony is that digg is more democratic than our government (U.S.) will ever be.
- Jeebugorn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20htey didn't "pay" at&t.....but at&t just happens to be the ONLY commercial phone service for soldiers in Iraqi/Afghanistan/etc. so they can charge "gouge" the soldiers whatever they see fit. but i'm sure that them getting the contract for that and allowing the NSA to spy on people have nothing in common whatsoever.
- eaglexro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21Another mirror: http://tinyurl.com/q5dk6
- DiggCommando, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17It's like the good ol' days of CBS / Edward Murrow vs. Senator McCarthy and his communist witchhunts. "We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home"
- szelij, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18WORKING LINK : http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/att_klein_wired.pdf
From what i've read it sounds to me like the current gag order is on AT&T and the EFF. It doesn't extend to Wired news...a source gave this Wired and wired is publishing it. Once something is on the Internet, it never goes away. Long live Free Information! - Joe091, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24I'm totally with you dude. Something has to change.
- Skab, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20um direct link brothers and sisters enjoy since no one else is posting http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/att_klein_wired.pdf
- aplusplus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19I can't believe how ignorant some of you people are...
Honestly, I feel so bad for you. - Tolpero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Uploaded to Piratebay: http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3487710 just to be sure everyone is able to dl it before the fascists suppress this information.. ;)
- gonknet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Also, in reality, a tax cut is being offered up for the first time when the country is at war.
There's no liberal spin on that. That's fact. - f15hbear, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20Well, from a UK perspective (and we DON"T have a written constitution) it looks like your Government has just bitten the big one and catastrophically broken the law and removed all your rights. Oh, hang on, the Patriot Act did that too...
For crying out loud, how can anyone have voted for these fear mongering, lying, pocket-lining fascists?
*puts on tin-foil hat* - TomUK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Yup, our government isn't much better. Soon if you refuse to give up your encryption keys to the police you could face up to two years in prison (five if it's a terrorism investigation).
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060518-6870.html -
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