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- sotopheavy, on 12/05/2007, -0/+38"Ebay is in this way not protecting the customer enough and is breaking therefore a european law from 2000 reglementing online and offline auctions."
I do like the idea that goods can be sold by anyone, I don't like that just anybody gets to keep selling broken crap or scam people. - scabbers, on 12/05/2007, -2/+29Ebay have powersellers who sell flagrantly counterfeit goods... and do nothing. They're crooks.
- insomniac8400, on 12/05/2007, -1/+22Don't people want the knock offs? A knock off made in a sweatshop in china is made with the same craftsmanship as the real stuff. Why pay a 1,000 dollar when you can pay 10.
- protogenxl, on 12/05/2007, -3/+20Das Server Kaputt
Error 500 - Internal server error
Ein interner Fehler ist aufgetreten!
Bitte versuchen Sie es zu einem späteren Zeitpunkt. - aliengoods, on 12/05/2007, -2/+19He probably isn't a native English speaker. Don't be such a douche.
- chris9902, on 12/05/2007, -5/+18France also want to ban people from the Internet who share music. I'm sure they'll just put a cork at the end of eBay's tube to close it.
- aliengoods, on 12/05/2007, -0/+12Agreed. When I was selling electronics on ebay (real electronics, I wasn't scamming), I would have the Nigerian scammers hit the buy it now or bid outrageous prices, so I would have to go through the many-emails process of getting the fees reversed. I think the core problem with ebay is they need to better verify the party on BOTH ends of the sale. Now any identity verification method can be spoofed, but the current free-for-all method is unacceptable.
- 00Dan, on 12/05/2007, -1/+11I don't get it. EBay will pull every single auction of Microsoft software on the assumption that you're attempting to sell counterfeit software (happened to me) but they tell Rolex etc. to piss off?
EBay had it coming. You can't pick and choose who's property rights you will arbitrarily enforce.
(In my case, EBay pulled a copy of Office 97 I was trying to sell and emailed everyone who bidded on it telling them that I was selling counterfit software. And they included my email address. Wound up selling it to someone locally who got my email address from EBay's email) - inactive, on 12/05/2007, -6/+15Now if only the US government would go to bat for us American consumers like that! Fat ***** chance.
- smek2, on 12/05/2007, -0/+9Correct would be "Der Server ist kaputt".
Still, sucks if the server is down so quickly. - OSJunky, on 12/05/2007, -2/+10Ebay's founder Pierre Odameyer or whatever is French. Came to America for a more open market apparentment
- wushi, on 12/05/2007, -2/+10you don't know anything about france do you?
- StephenCIreland, on 12/05/2007, -7/+14im sick of this, really sick of it, the internet is the one thing we have where you can say anything or give any opinion and people want to take this away, nobody should have control over anything on the internet that they didnt put there, cencorship is the worst thing the internet has ever seen, nothing should be censored, nothing. even pictures or videos of illegal things , if its illegal for you to see it let your local authorities deal with that, but it should still be available,i hope to never see the day where i get a message "this site is blocked by Ireland / EU" , if france starts banning eBay it will spiral on until anything that a goverment doesnt like will be banned,
- fatadamblog, on 12/05/2007, -1/+8There's ebay in France?
Nah just kidding, wouldn't that be ignorant of me - citruspastels, on 12/05/2007, -2/+8hmm, maybe they just hate our freedoms.
but seriously. it's ebay man. probably shouldn't buy from that guy in russia with 2 ratings, both negative. wonder when they'll go after craigslist. - aliengoods, on 12/05/2007, -0/+6TUBES!
- GalacticXenu, on 12/05/2007, -1/+7Ebay is just a middle-man; if you don't like the system they set up or don't trust it, don't ***** use it. Christ, we've turned into a world of shrill, whiny children.
If you want protection use your own damn wits instead of drooling about how much nicer everything is on training wheels. - Baelorn, on 12/05/2007, -0/+5I ***** hate EBay. It is a good idea but the problem is when people abuse it. The ones who buy up a ton of concert tickets and resell them for ridiculous prices really piss me off.
- pak314, on 12/05/2007, -0/+5The same Nigerian scammer problem happened to me once. This was for an ipod I was selling a few years back. I had indicated that I would only sell in the US. A scammer creates a new Ebay account and bids an outrageous price. He says he was in the US but needs the ipod send to his family in Nigeria. It took three weeks to get the auction cancelled and by that time, Apple released a new generation of Ipods and mine lost its resale value.
- thoouth, on 12/05/2007, -0/+5I suspect that its the inaction of eBay to take responsibility for the goods being sold on their site that the french are upset about. I agree with them.
We shop in your country because the dollar is worth so little compared with the euro/pound, because its a very nice and enjoyable way to have a holiday and because the taxes are lower. Last time I bought something from the states through eBay, I ended up paying nearly £100 tax/duty on it even though it was 2nd hand so it really doesn't save that much money at all in my mind. - gaijintendo, on 12/05/2007, -2/+7Or, perhaps they will ban/fine it until the create a safe environment for the trade of goods between individuals online. Presently ebay is a bit of a bear pit, where the good and honest are vastly outnumbered by those who are out to scam you. The French seem to be the only legal system in Europe who understand the technology (see http://digg.com/tech_news/Wikipedia_wins_landmark_ ... and seem to do something about protecting the consumer.
- vertinox, on 12/05/2007, -0/+5I'm sure you broke a few laws today that would be punishable by death in Saudi Arabia.
- REBELinBLUE, on 12/05/2007, -2/+7Or maybe just enforcing the law that eBay has to abide by in order to operate there?
- bandola, on 12/05/2007, -2/+7"European law"?
Is Europe a country? I don't know!? *giggle*
(for anyone not getting the reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juOQhTuzDQ0 ) - inactive, on 12/05/2007, -0/+5actually the real stuff is made after the children have been fed, the quality is much better.
- inactive, on 12/05/2007, -2/+6Paypal is evil dont use them! You will get screwed sooner or later if you do.
You have been warned.
http://www.paypalwarning.com/ - inactive, on 12/05/2007, -1/+5Are you a technology person who is supposed to explain things? 'Cause I can barely understand you.
- GoustiFruit, on 12/05/2007, -2/+6eBay once was a good thing. Now it has turned into a scam. Only sellers are protected by eBay, no matter how honest or not they are: *they* make the money for eBay. Buyers have no rights on eBay.
- chungulation, on 12/05/2007, -0/+4It's more about trading rights issues as opposed to a freedom of speech/information issue. Ebay is full of crooks and scalpers who would largely be taken to task if they were trading in any other medium.
- tanuki0, on 12/05/2007, -0/+4Really? I'm French and I've never heard of this news, we even have adverts for ebay on tv.
- iticu, on 12/05/2007, -0/+4The EU overstepping their authorities?
When did this happen? I want to join in! - heartcoldfusion, on 12/05/2007, -4/+8I'm surprised the government could take its mind off the constant striking to get pissy with eBay.
- wushi, on 12/05/2007, -1/+5yup there is and last time i checked our internet speed kicked your internet speed's arse:)
- uzusan, on 12/05/2007, -0/+4sorry for the comment abuse: working mirror - http://www.jobst-von-heintze.com.nyud.net:8080/200 ...
- wushi, on 12/05/2007, -2/+5dugg up for being another frenchy on digg:)
- masonreloaded, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3From the article: "And -as european law is harmonized all over the EU- this would finally mean, that not only France but whole European Union is affected. eBay has either to change it’s business model heavily or shut down their services completetly in europe."
This is just totally untrue - the France decision will not affect other EU countries:
EU law is not "harmonized" across the EU - SOME laws are, but individual countries still have very different laws, rules and regulations. For those in the USA, it is similar to state laws not being the same as federal laws, but with WAY more difference between the member states. - bjs3171, on 12/05/2007, -1/+4really, it's just the nature of that type of business. Anyone buying things on ebay should really be aware of that risk, and probably shouldn't buy stuff like watches and perfume on ebay, as those are the types of goods that are most counterfeited.
Clearly ebay is going to have to change their business model for europe. - wushi, on 12/05/2007, -1/+4i live in france, believe me it won't happen, some obscure politician only needed some attention...
- bobangitanov2, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3go vote for huckabee
- Karmashock, on 12/05/2007, -1/+4depends on what you're talking about. Most knock offs are NOT made with the same level of craftsmanship... not even close. Buy a fake watch that doesn't keep time and you'll know what I mean. The same can be said for designer shoes or other clothing products that fall apart because they're held together with glue instead of stitched together.
I'm not attacking knock offs... they're fine by me, but don't kid yourself into thinking they're just as good because the people making them have no incentive to make them just as good. Knockoff companies don't play for repeat business because most of them are operating illegally.
Knock offs are generally products made to look like something else. That similarity is a copy write violation much like pirated music. Think of it like singing an almost identical song and then selling it as your own. So that's a violation right there. Agree or disagree with it... it's not a law you can argue with legally. It's pretty clear.
Furthermore, most first world countries rely upon intellectual property as the core of their economy. This is as true in France as it is in the US. So of course the french are going to try and protect a core element of their economy. The french likely have as much of an interest in stopping knock off handbags as the US does in stopping pirated music.
Expecting either the US or France not to care is like expecting a mother not to protect her baby. It's not a rational expectation. That said obviously the music industry is largely to blame for their current problems with this and doubtless the designers could do more to make their wares more affordable... I've never understood 10,000 USD purses made of nothing but leather... I don't know that much about fashion so perhaps I'm simply ignorant but it seems a like charging 100 dollars for a potato chip at a certain point. - wushi, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3you mean "apparemment"?
- coudboule, on 12/05/2007, -1/+4http://www.duggmirror.com/tech_news/Will_eBay_be_b ...
- christophelyon, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3The juridical problem is more complex than that. It's not only about the European legislation, it's also about the fact that in France, the auctions are restricted to the monopoly of officially autorized auctionners (by auctionners, I mean the physical person, it cannot be a company). Therefore, if the French laws were strictly enforced, there could be no online auction sites at all.
But there have been a large tolerance on non-autorised auctions - as long as they take place on the internet and not IRL. Some official auctionners have even tried to build their own auction websites, but in fact there can't be a place on the internet for any other auction marketplace than ebay...
Auctions are - by nature - a monopolistic activity, because free competition scatters potential buyers, lowering the chance to find buyers. That's one of the main reasons why France has always put severe restrictions on the activity of official actionneers, to prevent any form of competition by assigning them to very separated geographical zones. But that way of solving the problem simply isn't working anymore now that the internet allows anyone to buy on the same website, regardless on where he lives... - inactive, on 12/05/2007, -1/+4It is sad, some people want to turn Ebay into just another Amazon clone. At least Ebay is good for the environment, used junk gets recycled instead of thrown away.
- Ryan121, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3Oh dear I sense the European Union getting involved and Ebay facing a massive fine.
- Barbarino, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3Did anyone see the interview with the kid who dropped out of Princeton to start his company Worm Poop. He basically said in Europe, he could never have been successful due to regulations.
- Homerr, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3Maybe euBay will open the day after they shut down eBay.
- thoouth, on 12/05/2007, -0/+3same reason why foreign films do poorly in english speaking countries, heaven forbid that anyone in the UK or USA would have to be able to read to enjoy a film.
- munkyxtc, on 12/05/2007, -0/+2It's soon to be faster if the powers that be have their way; soon you'll only be able to visit 4 websites.
Not saying the same isn't happening here. -
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