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- jmpeagle, on 12/08/2007, -18/+140why would this be illegal? It's Free Speech. Even the U.S. would allow this. Why does Europe have such a problem with Free Speech (holocaust denials and Nazism seem to be the most prevalent attack on free speech).
Here's a great speech by Christopher Hitchens why Free Speech should NEVER be infringed.
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2007/03/free ... - DucoNihilum, on 12/08/2007, -8/+112***** Germans.
Hey, let's prevent Nazism / Authoritarianism by using..... authoritarianism! - inactive, on 12/08/2007, -5/+66Today Wikipedia, tomorrow the WORLD.
- Sep11insidejob, on 12/08/2007, -5/+53If you say that you do not believe in the holocaust in many countries in Europe, you will face jail time
- chris9902, on 12/08/2007, -1/+47the ride has stopped. everybody off the internets while it's closed for repairs.
- latova, on 12/08/2007, -2/+46Censoring information isn't "preventing something from happening again".
The whole point of education is to learn from our mistakes. The inaction of the League of Nations and other factors is what got hitler into a place where he could do harm in the first place. If nobody knows what he was doing and how he got there, how can we really stop it from happening again when we don't know what we're looking for? - WhiteRaven, on 12/08/2007, -0/+44I love this quote... "This isn’t about restricting freedom of opinion, it’s about examining what the limits are.”
The asserting that there are indeed limits means that freedom of opinion is in fact restricted. In other words, it is already a given that the German people have no right to their own opinion to speech, what we are discussing now is what shreds of freedom we'll consider allowing. - WhiteRaven, on 12/08/2007, -2/+43You demonstrate ignorance by saying "Even the U.S. would allow this". You have it backwards. It is legal *only* in the US because only the US actually guarantees freedom of speech. Germany and France have a lot of really nasty anti-speech laws. Hell, in France they even have laws restricting speech solely for the purpose of maintaining the purity of their *language*.
- ghamal, on 12/08/2007, -1/+35i don't like nazis, but we don't need legislation to censor anything. it's lways the same story, politicians scare you with a problem and "fix" it by censoring and taking control of everything.
- Zarokima, on 12/08/2007, -6/+36Haha, yeah, that'd be like giving up our freedoms because the terrorists hate us for them! Oh wait...
- DucoNihilum, on 12/08/2007, -1/+29Taking your shoes off is a little different than restricting free speech.
Taking your shoes off is a security risk- limiting free speech is just that, limiting free speech.
Your argument is fallacious- the "You're not European- you can never understand" is, I believe, special pleading.
If you really want to prevent Nazism you need to make sure your citizens will never accept things like, oh let's say, DENYING FREEDOM OF SPEECH and other golden rights issues. - adamintoronto, on 12/08/2007, -2/+30German Tour Guide: You vill find more on Germany's contributions to ze arts in ze pamphlets ve have provided.
Brian : Yeah, about your pamphlet... uh, I'm not seeing anything about German history between 1939 and 1945. There's just a big gap.
Tour guide: Everyone vas on vacation. On your left is Munich's first city hall, erected in 15...
Brian : Wait, what are you talking about? Germany invaded Poland in 1939 and...
Tour Guide: We were invited. Punch vas served. Check vit Poland.
Brian : You can't just ignore those years. Thomas Mann fled to America because of Nazism's stranglehold on Germany.
Tour guide: Nope, nope. He left to manage a Dairy Queen.
Brian : A Dairy Queen? That's preposterous.
Tour guide: I vill hear no more insinuations about the German people. Nothing bad happened. Sie werden sich hinsetzen. Sie werden ruhig sein. Sie werden nicht beleidigen Deutschland. You will sit down. You will shut up. You will not insult Germany. (Throws his hand up in a Hitler salute.)
Brian : Uh, is that a beer hall?
Tour guide: (Snapping out of it) Oh yes, Munich is renowned for its historic beer halls. - gbarberi, on 12/08/2007, -2/+28I read the wikipedia entry and can't seem to find a basis for Germany's claim that it promotes Nazism. Perhaps they just don't want it in an encyclopedia or history book generally.
Perhaps, user can post just which part of the Wiki would promote Nazism. - MioTheGreat, on 12/08/2007, -0/+24Nothing happened! Germany was INVITED into Poland! Punch was served!
- ChrisWhatever, on 12/08/2007, -0/+24I am from Germany.
The politician in question already withdraw the charges: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,521946,0 ...uhm, it's in german.
Anyhow, she must have realized how stupid an idea it was.
Also she is a wacko left wing politician, whose party still thinks the DDR and communism was a good idea..so I guess what I am saying is, dont judge all of Germany by that weirdo. - linguisticpiano, on 12/08/2007, -4/+24That's kinda fascist.
- gtluke, on 12/08/2007, -1/+17awesome, 3rd reply in a thread about wikipedia and someone already managed to bring up george bush.
get off your soapbox commie - XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, on 12/08/2007, -6/+22I'm guessing Germany is still traumatized over the experience of the Third Reich. Remember, it's illegal to display the swastika in Germany.
- WhiteRaven, on 12/08/2007, -1/+15@FyreGoddess, how can you possibly be so simple-minded as to confuse the dangers explosives pose with a person's right to hold and promote opinions?
- lordsandwich, on 12/08/2007, -0/+13No worries, I never stopped judging you guys for your love of David Hasselhoff.
- inactive, on 12/08/2007, -2/+14Is it really 'Germans' making these demands?
- AlexGrant, on 12/08/2007, -1/+13They... are.. related. Douchelord.
- kaphin, on 12/08/2007, -0/+11This is already dated. The person responsible for bringing the charges has already backed down.
- chilipeppers4u, on 12/08/2007, -0/+10This is a rough english translation of the intro paragraph of the nazi ideology page on the german version of wikipedia:
"Nazism is a radical anti-Semitic, antimarxist and antidemocratic ideology [1] and political movement in Germany which started after the First World War. The National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) and its followers formed a toralitarian dictatorship, including the "Furhrer" and "third reich", under Adolf Hitler in 1933. Theybegan the German conquest wars starting in 1939, the Second World War, and the crimes of the Holocaust. Their reign ended with the unconditional surrender of the Wehrmacht on 8 May 1945.
Nazi ideals and goals survive today in differemt groups of Neo-Nazism and right-wing extremism. Their propaganda and political organization continue to exist even with their symbols ideals punishible as a crime in the Federal Republic of Germany and in Austria. Similar laws exist in other countries"
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalsozialismus
doesn't seem very pro nazi to me - Atomic1fire, on 12/08/2007, -0/+9at least you have the right to say that
only in america/
or wait are you just one of them foreign bush haters - DucoNihilum, on 12/08/2007, -0/+9You better not say that in Germany...
- lethalpotato, on 12/08/2007, -0/+8He's trying and succeeding.
- Racerx52, on 12/08/2007, -1/+9Excuse me? Please take a step outside of your bubble.
- Zique, on 12/08/2007, -3/+11For the same reason why online poker is basically outlawed in the US; government overreacting.
- Tarl, on 12/08/2007, -0/+7"Perhaps they just don't want it in an encyclopedia or history book generally."
It is one thing to learn from a mistake. Another to totally wipe all memory one was ever made. - Cyber_Akuma, on 12/08/2007, -5/+12How could Germany possibly sue for something like this, I mean, nothing happened right? There was just some "political unrest" at that time.
- rarson, on 12/08/2007, -0/+7That's ridiculous that anyone would allow government to tell them what to think. Or say.
- Tetraca, on 12/08/2007, -0/+7Rather than helping people learn from history, let's destroy the parts we don't like so people are doomed to repeat the same mistakes! Brilliant!
- spillz, on 12/08/2007, -0/+7Did you read the German version or the English version?
I didn't check either one out but I'd assume there's a difference. - Damian91, on 12/08/2007, -2/+8Lesson time, which is worse.
http://www.americannaziparty.com/ or http://wikipedia.org/
Take your time. - Scheissen, on 12/08/2007, -0/+6I can understand why you would say that. Even though most Germans weren't involved in the holocaust a lot of them feel guilty I think that's entirely the fault of the authoritative government. This is chaining Germany to a cycle of guilt and failure.
- DucoNihilum, on 12/08/2007, -0/+6I never said that authoritarianism implies naziism. Nazism is a form of authoritarianism.
- ravage86, on 12/08/2007, -1/+7Facts can't be racist
- roystgnr, on 12/08/2007, -0/+6Exactly: if there's one thing Germans know, it's that the best way to prevent totalitarianism is to focus on a single totalitarian threat and repress it by any means necessary. That's why they elected all those anti-Communists in the 1930s, and as we all know that just worked out *super*.
- lostmongoose, on 12/08/2007, -1/+7it's 'Godwin's Law' dumbass.
- DucoNihilum, on 12/08/2007, -1/+7No, in the United States they wouldn't care..... unless you're a paranoid fellow on digg who thinks the government has black helicopters after him.
- InspectorGadget, on 12/08/2007, -0/+6Fair enough, but authoritarianism sucks enough on its own.
- getoffmybridge, on 05/05/2009, -1/+6Cocksucks like that would sue "the internet" if they could.
"You mean people can just post whatever they want?! This is an outrage!!" - demonsnake69, on 12/08/2007, -5/+10Is it a pound-me-in-the-ass prison?
- 80hd, on 12/08/2007, -1/+6History has some dark spots, thats no reason to censor. If anything Wikipedia is being fair in that it covers almost every topic. (Read up on the jello belt or Penis panic-Both are high quality information everybody must know)
- Haidoken, on 12/08/2007, -0/+5interesting. I can understand the Germans not wanting anything to do with the swastika/Nazis because its still too near for them in memory. However, they should also realize, that things must be kept in memory and history in order to keep from making the same mistakes. Plus, as an interesting note, the swastika was used by many religions long before Hitler and the Nazis.
- akkibaba, on 12/08/2007, -3/+8Hmm, the signal-to-noise ratio of Digg is getting worse by the day.
- TheRealToma, on 12/08/2007, -0/+4Dont mention the war!
/faulty towers - orxor, on 12/08/2007, -0/+4The swastika is a symbol of many cultures and religions but especially prevalent in buddhism and hinduism. So besides the stupidity of banning a symbol aren't they by banning it, (at least logically) violating the rights of those religions and in fact guilty of "hate crimes" against them? If I crudely by hand draw a swastika who is the person who decides whether it's a symbol of hate or one of well being?
- jmpeagle, on 12/08/2007, -0/+4think you missed the point about how Hitler came to power because of people focusing on the communist threat
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