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- phpirate, on 10/12/2007, -16/+68I'm actually going to invest in a better technology then both Blu-ray and HD-DVD... its called A LARGER HARD DRIVE TO FIT ALL OF MY PIRTAED MOVIES AND MUSIC!
- bbatsell, on 10/12/2007, -3/+52Or, *perhaps*, continue supporting DVDs as opposed to the two new formats.
- balognytts, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33Great article. Until the format war is settled I will wait.
As well, I hate DRM. This stuff is severe! - BBX25, on 10/12/2007, -11/+34Pleasant domain name. You reek of professionality when your site is named "F**k Blu-Ray".
- scrubadub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Way ahead of you... I made a decision about a year ago that I will never buy content from media giants that sue their consumers ever again. No movies, no music, no content from people who threaten people with lawsuits.
I can not bring myself to giving people money when they will use it to sue my friends and other people like me - rosemat2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21The majority of people still have standerd def tv's cant/aren't ready to spend thousands to upgrade. I don't watch much tv, and current DVD's are good enough for me. Although I'm only a poor college student, If I have the money I wouldn't spend that much to upgrade to a better resulution.
On demand tv shows/movies and (legal) downloadable content is the future. - dipswitch, on 10/12/2007, -18/+38"please don't purchase a Blu-ray or HD-DVD player."
In other words, please "pirate" the movies! That's the effective DRM protecting YOUR rights, not THEIRS. - SomethingSubtle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20There's always holographic drives coming, so, once both formats die... who knows.
- Godric, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26Everyone knows the real reason why you should boycott Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is because DRM can KILL YOU!!!
- phpirate, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25Hey, I got another one:
A new HD TV to support weird formats: $2000
Self-Destructing Blu-ray player: $1000
HD-DVD Player: $500
Streaming pirated movies from your computer to your current TV: PRICELESS
MPAA and RIAA are so halarious these days... you just can't help but to make fun of them. - ZachPruckowski, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19OR: Don't watch crappy movies.
OR: Buy them online legally, when that comes - sparkmonkeyz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14I think that this was a great article and i think that sonyis killing themselves by coming out witht this.
- ConceptJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14slimthps:
If you're the MPAA and RIAA, you punish the people who actually buy your product while effectively ignoring the pirates. - SIDSI, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Im sticking with betamax.
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15I can't take the story seriously when the website is "***** blu-ray". Couldn't they find another word to use? I find that it makes people sound like morons when they use that word.
Not that I disagree with the article, but I find it hard to take it seriously. If need be, doesn't "screw blu-ray" sound just as good? - mexter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10While on principle I agree, it's a little more complicated. CD's weren't built from the ground up to be consumer unfriendly. This is a whole new format that has "security" ingrained in it from the get-go.
- soljin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12well if and when it's cracked I'll end my boycott. But until then they can kiss my ass.
- thatguy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13These will be the new Jazz, Orb, and Zip disks of our time.
- alevel27mage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"be prepaired for a long wait then. they still haven't setteled on DVD- or DVD+"
Who is "they"? DVD-R(W) were created first. Then some people wanted to make some money, so they made DVD+R(W). It's just a clever marketing scheme.
Your statement is like saying "They still haven't settled on pens or pencils." - 1911wolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9This reminds me of the whole Boycott Sony thing a few months ago. Yet Americans have a short attention span. People can't buy Sony products fast enough these days. Mention rootkit and the sheeple go "Huh?" thinking it's some sort of new fix for clogged plumbing. And now they're getting hard over the PS3.
I do agree though, we should boycott, or at least not buy into the looming format wars. I was there for the Beta/VHS war and it was a PITA. I still haven't bought into this ripoff they call HDTV due to it's price and ever changing specs. The day I can buy a 32" HDTV for the same price I can buy a dandy fine CRT 32", I'll switch and start thinking about the next leap from the DVD, if we've settled on a standard that is. - rye425, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Unlike most of the other comments on this article, I actually enjoyed the article quite much. The author gave some very valid and good points about the outsourcing and creation of a new format for public use. I find the recent Blu-Ray and HD-DVDs to be a rush into the technology of the future. I'm sorry but I find it very hard to pay for movies as it is, nevermind $30. I applaud companies for their research and feats but the public as a whole isn't ready for another format anytime soon. Maybe on the side as a alternative? :)
- suicidal-kid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Everything the RIAA and MPAA stand for is 100% *****. If you want to backup your media on a computer, you should be legally allowed to.
- sersdf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8wow you are so totally wrong. can' t tell the difference between HDTV and current-gen HDTV?
i can't tell the difference between 128kpbs sound and 256kbps. i used to argue that vhs vs dvd wasn't a huge difference (that was wrong though).
but when ABC put on "pirates of the caribbean" in HD, it was the best visual experience i've ever had. a whole lot better than any DVD's i've seen. (not to mention 16:9 ratio and 5.1 sound to boot). i agree vhs->dvd was bigger than dvd->hd, but i don't at all agree dvd->hd is small. - welvis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7+digg for this person doing this. I agree 100%. The people pushing DRM down our throats are doing it because they can't even fathom the idea that we won't buy their content. ***** 'em, a large scale consumer boycott is long overdue, and the stakes for this are huge.
- Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Couldn't have said it better, rosemat. Just how much money do these crazy people think I'm going to throw at them? What really infuriates me is that when they don't make as much money as they expect to with this stuff, they're going to immediately assume it's because of piracy and that we need even MORE DRM. They still can't seem to figure out that they're putting out abysmal movies. I was looking online a few days ago for a movie to go watch with friends, with every intention of going to the theater and buying a ticket the legal way. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a single movie that sounded good. If they want my money, they need to start giving me what I want. Lousy movies on advanced technology I can't afford isn't it. When will they get a clue and realize we're not their personal ATMs?
- sometemple, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I personally like the title. The site is very biased and hard-hitting. I think the title is extremely apporpriate. Besides, their design is sexy, they can call it whatever they want. I won't buy either format, but my 2 cents is that the game console wars are going to have a huge influence on whether or not either (or both) format(s) are succesful...
- pabster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Why, I see the question asked over and over. Why is simple. GREED!
I had no plans to invest in either format. - mexter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Money.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Language ahead:
GODDAMNIT I HATE THIS CRAP! Why can't we just use our blueray/hd/music/whatever for what we want, not what they tell us? Why do we have to get in some stupid format war? Why do they make it so painfull to legally purchase something drm infested when you could pirate the same thing without the limitations? Why do they force us to buy new tv's and new cables just to play it in the first place? Why would you want to pay 10 to 20 times more for what you can get on DVD's and CD's which are so much more usable?
I really don't see how they expect people to buy their new formats. If anything I think this encourages piracy. There always will be pirates, all this does is discourage those who would have legally purchased not to. - jambarama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"They" aren't going to settle DVD+-R. They serve different purposes (dual layered or not). Besides any DVD burner since 2003 can do write to formats, and any DVD player since ever can read from both.
This is probably what will happen to blu-ray/hddvd, someone will get a player that will do both and everyone will be happy. Later burners that do both will come, and everyone will be happy.
The real reason to boycott here is because of the DRM. - DougPenn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Come on guys, they'll be a crack to the DRM about 2 days after it's released, available for every operating system given a couple more days. Look at the last crack, you just ran a pen across the outside of the CD and viola - copy protection off! Have faith in the geeks that can free us from whatever DRM they create.
- Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I agree with scrubadub. It is people like him, who make a deliberate choice and don't cave in to the companies that will create a foothold for humanity to live in freedom.
- btipling, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7It's all going to be physical storage less data someday soon anyways. You'll just download everything, and only use disks to back stuff up on.
- nstrupp2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"They also originally thought about having each disc being playable by only one player, meaning after you played a movie in your player, your friend couldn't watch the same disc in his player. They removed this requirement, but that it was even considered is pretty shocking. Sony patented the idea."
Anyone remember the DIVX format that was pushed by Circuit City? That should be a good example to anyone trying to severely limit the usability of a disc. - MephistoX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I agree with the site's theme of boycotting Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, but the way the site goes around telling you to do so is idiotic.
An intelligent person (read as: not an angry teenager) needs to rewrite the site. - Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This proves the format is about controlling the consumer. They have laid out all these binding restrictions that the format itself has become a piss-poor excuse for innovation and entertainment. We can now see that it has always been a vehicle for the mpaa,riaa to design all these DRM mini-techs that hobble the real technology.
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I've seen better arguments posted in digg comments. Half his points are over-blown crap.
Yes, being an early adopter is a bad idea for most people. Just about everyone is well aware of that, at this point. We learned our lesson from VHS/Betamax, or earlier. - dougdug, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I, for one, am not going to buy any hi-def DVD until the format wars sort themselves out. The fact that I do not yet own a hi-def TV - and have no inclination to buy one any time soon - makes this much easier, of course. The analogy to VHS vs. Beta that frequently surfaces is inapt. Back in the days of that format war, if you wanted to watch rented movies or record TV, you had to buy one of the two competing video recorders. Today, people can watch movies without sinking their money into either of the competing DVD formats. I predict most people will sit on the sidelines and await a winner. This will just drag it out - if sales lag, the emergence of a winner will take longer - to the detriment of all the companies involved. I can't say I feel bad for them ....
- qwab, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Sony with their DRM can suck my Blu-nutz!
- MrColdheart, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6holographic drives are still in devlopment... but these new technologies are waiting in storage and with all the millions of dollars it took to produce, there gonna make sure you make a choice.
- hoowahman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5We need something to view HD movies on and that's not going to be regular DVDs. Do you have a better solution? I want to make good use of my plasma already. =)
- jumanous, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5no way I would purchase blu-ray for movies.. no point, my TV is only 15inch. I would buy it to back stuff up on my computer though.. 45gig of goodness. (when the media became cheaper)
- sinembarg0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Gates: Well, the key issue here is that the protection scheme under Blu-ray is very anti-consumer and there's not much visibility of that. The inconvenience is that the [movie] studios got too much protection at the expense consumers and it won't work well on PCs. You won't be able to play movies and do software in a flexible way.
wow. who knew that anything could lead people into liking Microsoft. figures it would be DRM. Microsoft seems to be changing a lot, and for the better. Less uptight about ads, evidenced by the Napoleon Dynamite/Gates ad, and the iPod box. Xbox 360 rules. Portable consoles soon. Times they are a-changin' and basically Sony is fuqued. Maybe now the average consumer will find out about DRM and learn to hate it. Maybe DRM will die.
How incredible, a good MS and no DRM. - sixister, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The hell... why did this get buried?! This was an actual, good digg.
- jayf, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I'm interested in seeing how long it will take DVD Jon to neutralize the new formats' DRM schemes into ROT13 child's play.
- DCstewieG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Quiet! You're hurting his argument with fact!!
But seriously, the fact that they could easily do it later on still scares me. I see them testing it on a few releases and gauging the response. If there isn't much (and there probably wouldn't be unfortunately) they'll spread it more widely. - peterlisanti, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3All next gen players will require HDCP over their HDMI connections.
What Sony said was (for now) they will not tag their content with the ICT (image constraint token) which down-reses the HD content (from 1080i or p, to 540p) when played over component cables. - dd240sx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Give it like 5 - 7 year and all of the content will be delivered over fiber. Possible making all these player useless. These company's are so greddy that they are missing the whole point of all this now that are we are moving to digital they should be making these players simple as possible to use. create less confusion make it seamless conversion to all this. but will see what will happen.
- kepeli999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3When Hollywood starts making movies that I actually want to see, I'll start caring about the format it's released on. Untill then, I'll keep my library card.
- PeterMeh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Lets forget about DRM for a moment, and consider just data space...
A "standard" DVD (ie what most people can play or record) holds 4.7G. You can download a DivX movie that is about 700-800mb, which is good quality, although a little lacking in dimensions. Double the dimensions, and you quadruple the filesize (now about 3gig). Tweak the quality and you get a pretty good film onto 4.7gig. Thats using current technology.
Enter somethink like Blu-Ray... Holds 50G of data... Now what type of encoding are the companies going to use when they record, say, a movie onto a blueray or HD-DVD? Is it going to lossless? MPEG4? Amiga IFF? I dunno. Maybe someone can tell me?
My point is, are companies actually going to release 50G of data on a single disc? Even today, I am still disappointed with DVD releases that have nothing but the film (no extras, no commentry audio tracks etc etc). If a movie has 50G of movie/extras, and I like that film, I would buy it (it would be cheaper than the bandwidth charges of my ISP). But would I buy it if it only holds 5G of data? Probably not.
And which would be cheaper and have a wider audience, 1 Bluray disc, or 2 DVD disks (assuming the data content is less than 10gig)? -
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