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- TokenUser, on 10/12/2007, -2/+161. Vista and DRM.
Hands up who understands DRM and how it affects Vista?
From: http://crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml;jsessionid=PSLWWTXHN0UQ2QSNDBCCKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleId=167101066
"From Microsoft's perspective, its attempt to comply with a DRM scheme developed by the consumer electronics industry is getting unfairly blown up into a nefarious plan that's far from reality. "Articles saying that you will need new monitors with Windows Vista to play any DRMed content are not correct," said Ken Birge, a spokesman for Microsoft. "Any DRM content that's out there today, you'll be able to play with any existing monitor using Vista."
However, Birge confirms that new monitors will be required to support full playback of high-definition DVDs. "Next-generation DVDs will require HDCP for playback," Birge said. "So that requires HDCP protection all the way out to monitor. As PCs become more of a home entertainment device, consumers are going to expect to play back next-generation DVDs. In order to do that, Microsoft has to require this HDCP support all the way out to the monitor. It's very much following suit to what the consumer electronics industry has already done." "
OK, so current DVDs - no problem, current music - no problem. BUT any new devie that is HD DVD or BluRay compliant will need to adhere to the DRM specs - specifically HDCP - for playback. This includes your precious Linux and MacOS systems, because that is the only way they will be able to read from the new drives. The need for new monitors? Again, that is a requirement of HDCP and NOT Vista.
2. 8 Vista Versions.
Hmm. OK. What about http://www.distrowatch.com/ how many Linux distros are there out there? "But they are all unique and differetn in their own way." So what if there are 8 versions of Vista - lets call them distros so you will get the point. They each have a differetn target audience, but here is the kicker - they all work the same, have the same UI, and can run the same apps from the same installer files.
3. Vista Looks Like OSX
Umm. So what? Ford looks like GM. Toyota looks like Honda. Companies respond to market demands. What about the Linux distros with the Aqua look and feel?
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The fanboy wars have got to stop ... they are all based around brand loyalty and FUD.
Truth is, people should pick the right tool for the job - and that would probably end up being Linux for servers, MacOS for home, and Windows for business - and the best part is because of file and protocol standards - it wouldn't matter. - badnewsblair, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15I am a Mac user. I live with Windows. I'm realistic and open minded. Vista will be popular and do well because it is the new Windows. Whether it sucks or doesn't is irrelevant.
Of course, it will play your games better because it will support the latest technology and hardware.
Mac users will continue to bitch about Windows, and Windows users will continue to use Windows in whatever version it is. Nothing will change. - edenlover, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Windows 2000....Security, Stability
Windows XP....Enhanced Security, Compatibilty, Low TCO
Windows Vista....Won't Suck (???)
I need REAL advantages....games wil run 30% faster on NEW HARDWARE. Desktop Search? New 'Cute' Shell? Pffff. - WalterDirt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Vista DRM killed it for me, Linux has no pro apps, and Apple is expensive, abacus for me, yay!
- spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@replica
Would you care to enlighten us as to why it's ok that I'll have to purchase a new monitor after paying 500 dollars for my new 20" widescreen LCD and that I'll have to purchase a new video card to play videos even though my current card is completely capable of the job?
Vista == DRM'd to hell
DRM == A Bad Thing™
So, Vista == Crap - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6By the way. I still cannot grasp the DRM argument. DRM support is present in OS X. It works the same way when faced with licensed content. Why is Windows more evil when including support for DRM-protected media?
- 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10"You MS haters are trying wayyyy too hard."
Ditto, they're really getting frantic now. Most of them obviously haven't or can't read the article because they're still spouting the ol' talking point that Vista is just a visual upgrade to XP, which is a gross understatement akin to saying OS X is just a visual update to OS 7. Not only that, but all this complaining about DRM is completely unsubstantiated BS that isn't based on anything but FUD. FUD is what Apple and Linux fanboys are good at. I guess you gotta do something while your kernel is recompiling or your new Apple is loading CS2. - mgreenwald, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Internet Explorer 7 under Windows Vista runs in a special super-low user access mode that gives the browser very little access to the underlying OS, and ActiveX security has been tightened up significantly as well, with most ActiveX controls off by default and set to opt-in rather than opt-out. Hopefully other browsers will follow suit and operate in this least-privileged mode, too."
GOOD! GOOD! GOOD! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Once Vista is hacked/cracked to remove all the validation/DRM/registration/activation/etc. it may be worth the time and effort to download it; other than that, screw 'em.
- 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9"Once Vista is hacked/cracked to remove all the validation/DRM/registration/activation/etc"
Let me rephrase that for you and say what you really meant. "Once some asshat makes it easy for stupid punks to steal Windows and once some asshat makes it easy to steal music and movies and software through Windows, then maybe I'll steal Windows." Used to people saw something they wanted and worked to get it. Now they just sit in their basements and steal whatever they want because they're too damn lazy and ignorant to work hard and actually pay for it. "Bb..bbutt it costs too much!" Shut up and get a better job. - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Don't they pretty much say the same thing every release? New kernel, new network stack, better developer tools, etc? Empty promises.
- hardcoreUFO, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I scarcely thought it possible, but they managed to make it even uglier than XP. There must be some sort of contest.
- replica, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@ spectre_25gt
You DO NOT have to buy a new monitor. The HDCP thing is for HD-DVD/Blu-Ray movie playback only. Vista DOES NOT require a new monitor.
If you want to watch HD-DVD/Blu-Ray on ANY OS you will need a HDCP video card and monitor. That includes OSX.
Do you understand now. Vista works fine with your current monitor and video card. - markh1967, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It all looks good but it's completely wasted because it will come with 'trusted computing' (sic) and intrusive DRM. Microsoft might as well change their slogan to 'what do you want us to stop you from doing today?'
- v3xt0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I wish microsoft, and all Windows users, the best of luck! =p
- DrAtomicus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oh yeah, DRM.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Why Ziff-Davis will give a good review to anyone who pays them."
Vista is a giant POS (and that doesn't stand for Point of Sale), people have no choice but to downgrade to Vista anyway; that is once M$ floods the market through OEM preloads. You will be stuck with this garbage whether you like it or not.
[quote]all of you that say games will run 30% faster just because of the OS upgrade..[/quote]
Filthy lies by some lying fanboy. There is nothing in Vista that would provide such an improvement, including DX10. That's like saying DX9 runs your DX7 games faster. Vista has a higher overhead than XP in general, how is it going to be "faster"? It's not. - Empyrean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Personally I dont care about Vista, but my only concern is this.
Whats going to happen say, a year or two after Vista's release when other comapnies like Adobe, make it so their new releases of Photoshop, After Effects, etc. will only run on Vista and above, just like they did with Photoshop CS that would only run on XP+? Won't a lot of people be somewhat forced to upgrade because the software they want to use is only released for Vista and its versions? I noticed a similar thing when I tried to install Adobe Encore 2, you had to have XP SP2 to even install it, which I didnt so I didnt bother to buy it. And I only use Adobe as an example, but there are others as well. So whats up with that? - HalfNakedPappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Bill Gates and Steve Balmer are geniuses. They are simply giving the people a beautiful, wonderful, technically superior operating system at a rock bottom price. This operating system will be very secure... say good-bye to malware and viruses!
If you disagree, please line up against the wall and Steve will throw a chair at you. - MarkStrube, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3But does it run Linux.
- chubbly0, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I don't understand why some of you can't let the thing about the 6 versions go. You act as if it the end of the world, like choice is a bad thing. We all know that you are the same people that would complain if there was only one version of Vista that had things bundled in that you didn't want. If anything this is a genius move on their part. People who really know about computers get to choose, those who know nothing will probably be buying a preconfigured one anyway. Does anybody complain because Ford offers several versions of the same car? No, people are glad that they have a choice. You MS haters are trying wayyyy too hard.
- Drake354, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4that article was some of the worst reporting Ive ever seen.
it was 100% biased towards Microsofts new OS
I did not see a single bad remark in it, even though Vista has NUMEROUS flaws - boazg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4you know it gonna suck when their articles are titled 'why vista won't suck'
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How's that for a one-sided article!
I'd rate this one about as highly as a Vista article written by a Linux geek. - waddling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ohhhhhh Windows Vista will have "Auto Defrag"!! What's defrag?
- ripter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Until I have a game or critical piece of software that requires Vista I wouldn't even bother d/ling it.
- Sabot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Vista is a wonderful time for everyone to look out at all the other OSes and try something new. This is a great time to make the change away from Windows. When was the last time that a tech company gave us more freedom instead of more DRM.
- zootm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Good lord, fanboys should die. Especially all the idiotic ones that write paragraphs trying to prove they're right. There will always be an alternative, and if there isn't make your own."
Well yes, of course there's an alternative. When those who use the alternative begin spinning complete nonsense as justifications for using it, however, I begin to take offence, particularly when I like the alternative. It acts against it. - UbuntuAtlantis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dont worry everyone, Vista wont suck after all!
Once people start peddling that line, you know somethings wrong. It just makes me think of Windows ME to be honest?
The way I think of it is this, as a Windows XP Pro SP2 user, will Vista improve my computing experience that much, as to justify its purchase? Clearly not!
All I do is run Office 2003 (Word and Excel mainly), send e-mail, browse the web, and do some graphic work in Photoshop. I have a 3rd party, firewall, antivirus, spysweeper, and I have no problems with security at all.
So why the hell should I buy Vista? I think i'll keep XP until Vienna. By then, there will be some compelling reasons to upgrade! - shakin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"an editor on 1up mentioned that games will run 30% better than current OS cuz it won't have to go through the app layers of an OS to run a game, similar to a console system, suh-weet"
If you mean because Direct3D is integrated with the desktop that games won't have to go through an extra software layer, you're wrong.
Games will still use the DirectX APIs. The desktop will also use the DirectX APIs instead of the GDI API. No difference at all. DirectX exists because nobody wants to write specifically for hardware, or else each game would have to come with drivers for each kind of video card (and sound card, etc). Consoles require less hardware abstraction because the hardware doesn't change, but there is still a software API that talks to the driver which talks to the hardware.
1up is full of *****. Vista will be the exact same speed as XP, or possibly slower if you don't have enough RAM (since Vista will be harder on resources). - mgreenwald, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"ever try installing a simple FTP server in Linux??"
Why yes I did just a little over two weeks ago. I set up VSFTP and it took a whoping half hour. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1[quote][quote]all of you that say games will run 30% faster just because of the OS upgrade..[/quote][/quote]
EDIT: I see this lying fanboy turned out to be an editor of 1up. He's welcome to provide evidence of this claim if he wants. Right now, he's reading copy off an M$ press release. - Cerberus047, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Untill they completly rewrite the code to make it fail less and have less holes in it... i will still be watiting.... for those people that will flame me soon think about it ms is still written on the same basic code it was for the orginal, it just was improved upon and extra stuff was added to make it better and thats a fact, im not bashing windows at all im just saying it would help if they swolow their pride and higher some people with their billions of dollars and improve the ***** out of windows so they will have ALL of the market share, and we wont care because the software is worth buying hell maybe i wont pirate it....
- whiteghetto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2if you think there are going to be 6 or 8 versions of vista at best buy, then you are confused.
a few where for the European market only
a few were for corporations
i would imagine there being 2 or 3 to choose from. - paulb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sounds like a lot of stuff that should have been done right in the first place ... 11 years ago.
- xedeon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You Can't polish a TURD specially if it is a imitating turd.... LoL
- DeadPain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2haha it can't be worst than ME, nothing can be worst than ME
- Vektuz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5windows vista will suck
because
DRM
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Windows vista = windows DRM edition - taking control away from you and letting others control what you're allowed to do with your PC.
I will not be installing vista. - jasonh1234, on 11/04/2008, -0/+1I'll wait a minimum of six months after release before I even think of loading it on one of my computers. Even then I won't be overwriting XP with it.
- Cerberus047, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Seriously...how sad ARE you people. Pro-Apple article...That is becuase Apple is GREAT! Pro-Windows article? Microsoft paid them to arite it.
Do you not realize how stupid you come across when you say stuff like this? And why NO ONE takes you seriously on this board anymore?"
When there is a pro apple article usually it is written by a fan a pro ms article is written by ms... suspicious eh? but youve got some point... im sick of all the pro apple stories on digg, but there is a way to get rid of them DONT DIGG and the same can go for you if you dont digg and forget about this story we will ALL BE HAPPY - sailor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't believe any of the "rebuilt from ground up" ...more likely patched.
I think it will be just like ME...IMO is the worst OS ever made... - dromeditor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Windows is NOT "built on the same basic code it was for the original." Windows was DOS-based until 95. 2000 was based on NT's kernel, which is hella far from 3's/3.1's/3.11's
And why would you ever COMPLETELY rewrite an operating system when you're still using x86 processors? You improve upon the software written for the hardware you have. If at all, they could start rewriting code from the ground up seeing as we now have 64-bit processors that are going multi-core.
@tokenuser...pretty sure he means ground up, everything new.....that's insane....
Go write an operating system and when you understand how complex everything is, and how well-established certain ways of doing things are, you'll realize why this is completely unneccessary considering they're still writing for x86 - zenghost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1if this whole drm thing isnt as big as it seems and if one of those 6 versions of vista of vista was hardware-friendly with my existing hardware then, id run it minimally, change the shell with one of those third-party ones if i wanna make it all shiny and whatnot, and be happy with that...then id think about the upgrade....or i can forget about microsoft and just switch to linux...
- Nanx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why should I have to pay to fix issues in Windows? Shouldn't they be distributing it for free?
My next computer is a Mac.. - supersan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2amazing stuff.. so looking forward to it!
- zone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1all of you that say games will run 30% faster just because of the OS upgrade.. I dare you to install the latest build and try to run minesweeper!
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5482/228sx.jpg
(running in a laptop with a Pentium 4 Northwood 2.53Ghz, 512Mb RAM and a GeForce4 440Go 32Mb)
i mean.. it's the freakin minesweeper! - TokenUser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@cerberus047 - from page 2 of the article:
"Well, that's exactly what Microsoft is doing with Vista. The whole kernel has been reorganized and rewritten to help prevent software from affecting the system in unsavory ways. In Vista, it should be much more difficult for unauthorized programs (like Viruses and Trojans) to affect the core of the OS and secretly harm your system. "
Notice the KERNEL REORGANIZED and REWRITTEN comment? So what is this same basic code you are referring to? - Ethan1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1try it now
http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3450844 - blaineg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2the only thing that's going to suck about Vista is more bitching from mac/Linux fanboys
- prthealien, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It looks like people didn't read the article at all. Its not just Windows with a new look, MS redesigned the entire kernel. That alone is enough to warrant an upgrade.
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