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- DjViral, on 03/23/2008, -15/+69BOYCOTT BEIJING OLYMPICS!!!!!!!!
- dattaway, on 03/23/2008, -1/+48I'm glad our television and radio stations aren't owned by a few large companies that might have economic motives to feed us propaganda.
- inactive, on 03/23/2008, -17/+64It is incredibly effective because the money-hungry scumbags at Yahoo and Google are working with Chinese authorities to censor the internet and help them track down dissident bloggers who criticize the Beijing government.
Way to go, Yahoo and Google. Cozy up to one of the most repressive regimes on the planet simply to make $$$. - JLecker, on 03/23/2008, -0/+45Let's just be glad that nobody is trying to censor the internet or filter the data that passes through our connections. Thank goodness nobody wants to restrict traffic from certain sites or throttle the bandwidth of users who use certain programs. And let's enjoy the fact that our government respects our right to privacy and doesn't bow down to the whims of third parties who have a financial interest in limiting what we can do on the internet.
- seshomarusamma, on 03/23/2008, -1/+35Jimmy
I live in China and I must tell you that no other site has contributed to inflow of information as much as Google
Most Chinese people use Baidu.com - a government approved copy of Google which displays results from China only. If you want the truth - there is only Google.
Yes Google.cn is censored, but switch to google.com and you get the same results as in America
Long Live Google - siggyfawn, on 03/23/2008, -3/+27Effective?
Ehhh. Maybe lucky. Most of the country doesn't own a computer or have net access. And they also know what the govt pulls. I know people in China, and for the most part they fear the govt.
You don't need google or yahoo to tell you your govt is corrupt. But the Chinese people are largely sheep, largely poor and the country is on the upswing. You don't usually see people flip out unless the economy takes a dump and unemployment jumps, like the USSR. Money/economy cures a lot of ills, even if it's slow to spread outside the Chinese cities.
Trust me the Chinese people know all about the human rights abuses, they LIVE it, and they’re uh, there? I can see a Chinese guy hoping on the internet “Holy ***** we’re being abused!”. It’s not a news flash to them. A friend of mine who went back to China to visit family said he was walking down the street, he saw someone running from the cops, and they shot the guy in the back of the head. And he said no one really freaked out. The govt/police are corrupt/heavy handed and that’s not a news flash to them. - sfacets, on 03/23/2008, -5/+23This is why it is so scary to talk to a Chinese national. Brainwash. Total brainwash.
- sfacets, on 03/23/2008, -0/+17Oh wait...
- error2k2, on 03/23/2008, -0/+14The countless of blogs criticising our governments decisions seem to still be up, the bloggers themselves haven't been arrested. When that changes it WILL be a problem for many people.
- drizzlelicious, on 03/23/2008, -0/+13Under the great firewall of China right now. Youtube just got unblocked, thank goodness (though it seems like certain search keywords block it again, like searching for Obama's speech)
I also installed a handy Firefox addon that opens any link I want in a web proxy. Even so, there's still a whole ton of limitations. That and the internet is slow as crap. - breakaway, on 03/23/2008, -1/+14So basically the 'great firewall' stops newbs only?
- asdfrewq, on 03/23/2008, -1/+12"You're" an idiot.
- DestroyFascism, on 03/23/2008, -1/+11There you have it, 2 differing ways to keep people stupid and ignorant. China Builds a firewall and America has a federal policy on education and a teachers union with a thumb up its arse. Both work very well.
- mtosspot, on 03/23/2008, -0/+10For more information, the author's blog gives very interesting day-by-day updates on how the Great Firewall is operating with topics like the situation in Tibet. http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/
I personally had a bizarre censorship experience when touring the Forbidden City with a Chinese national. There was a museum with many Buddha statues and I asked my local guide about it. He said something like "are you saying these have something to do with religion? No, we do not have religion in China." When I said that I meant that there were Buddhists there in the past, he said "No, we have never had religion in China." This conversation took place in a room literally filled with Buddha statues. - drizzlelicious, on 03/23/2008, -1/+10I live in China, and most of the people I talk to here approve of Mao Zedong.
- inactive, on 03/23/2008, -0/+9If I ever go to a cybercafe in China, I'll spend my time scratching tiny search phrases into their desks and monitors.
Someone's gotta notice. - Roryking, on 03/23/2008, -2/+10sorry, but your internet love machine discussion board is in another castle!
- carpespasm, on 03/23/2008, -0/+8how many people in the US are newbs at the intarwebs?
- implementor, on 03/23/2008, -1/+9Of course they do. Because not approving of him earns them official attention of the unwanted kind.
- gnews, on 03/23/2008, -7/+14"Do no Evil" !!!
- inactive, on 03/23/2008, -1/+8It's "Don't be evil".
- DanOnTheMoon, on 03/23/2008, -2/+9Ok.
- implementor, on 03/23/2008, -0/+7There are state-approved religions in China, Buddhism being on of them. The guy you were talking to was just a moron.
- marc123, on 03/23/2008, -1/+8If you are concerned about this you should be targetting you elected representatives to pass laws that prevent companies doing business with China not blaming companies (ie Google) who are operating out of a basic survival instinct in a cut-throat market.
Is it fair that Google lose its market leader position because it refuses to operate in a massive market where its less scrupulous competitors are allowed to dominate? - blackjack75, on 03/23/2008, -2/+9The Olympics are a way for China to open to the world. Whether the govt over there likes it or not it will bring lots of foreigners of which very few will actually be afraid to tell their opinions. And if they get punished for telling their opinions and talking about say tian an men, the chinese people will see it too. Boycotting the olympics on a massive scale would only hurt china's people.
- blackjack75, on 03/23/2008, -0/+6Well, protectionism seems to work pretty well for Europe and the U.S. Seriously, read about it. By pretending we didn't do protectionism, we managed to get all the frontiers open in Africa and got them to believe they could enter our markets but in the end we screwed them (not that they shouldn't be used to it by now).
- wexmajor, on 03/23/2008, -3/+9"Incredibly effective"? What? It's not incredibly effective, it's a decent deterrent for the time being doomed to failure in the long run.
- Zarokima, on 03/23/2008, -0/+6I just wish we also had unfettered access to the internet to fact-check alongside those always-truthful news corporations.
That said, what you're sarcastically implying is correct, and my sarcastic comeback unfortunately doesn't apply to the majority who couldn't care less about foreign affairs and just want to know about Brittney's new hair cut or the latest Hollywood whore who overdosed on whatever. - woofers07, on 03/23/2008, -0/+6"oh ho, it's funny because it's true."
- flashback99, on 03/23/2008, -0/+6NEWSFLASH: EVERY COUNTRY'S GOT ***** IN THEIR BACK YARD.
- Jaziek, on 03/23/2008, -2/+7OH SHI-!
- Erect, on 03/23/2008, -0/+5I'm in China, and just read that article. It actually explains a lot of the behavior of the internet I have been noticing very well.
- inactive, on 03/24/2008, -0/+584.9%
- inactive, on 03/23/2008, -0/+5Brainwashed or just aware of the consequences of stepping outside the "party box"? It's a fine line. A friend of mine, a Chinese national, has lived here in the US for many years. Even now, when the topic of the Chinese government comes up, he talks in hushed tones, nearly whispering. And he's nowhere near China. That really says something.
- Tufriast, on 03/23/2008, -0/+4This is interesting, I'm modding you up. I don't know if the regular American could see this fact...mainly b/c we're not Chinese.
- cli006, on 03/23/2008, -0/+4What you propose is terrorism. It's ridiculous, have you ever visited China? You really want to destroy a culture and it's people just because they operate differently than us? China is no longer a true communist country and with so many people, their system works. We don't have their primary problem of over-population so who are we to tell them what works for them? I've been to China extensively for business and pleasure recently and opinions change when you witness how the other side thinks.
Americans such as yourself have also been dead wrong about the Chinese. Visit the damn country first and then form an opinion. Tibet's been a part of China for longer than most western civilizations COMBINED. What if a couple of groups in California started demanding independence with violence? Should the US simply return California to Mexico? - Hangly, on 03/23/2008, -0/+4freegate (自由们) has about 1,000,000 users in China alone. (Wikipedia says less, but I have heard otherwise.)
It's a fabulous tool that not only gets you through the firewall, but also connects you directly to the most subversive anti-CCP sites in existence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freegate - Slimer, on 03/23/2008, -0/+4http://www.youhide.com/ is not blocked form inside of china
- d4ni, on 03/23/2008, -0/+3Reading the article first would be nice before you reply ;)
"As a practical matter, anyone in China who wants to get around the firewall can choose between two well-known and dependable alternatives: the proxy server and the VPN" [continues explaining how proxy servers and VPN work] - inactive, on 03/23/2008, -1/+4I will, but not because of this or any other evil thing the China Government does . . . . . I'll be "boycotting" because the Olympics are BORING!
- d4ni, on 03/23/2008, -2/+5Are you kidding me? You honestly think European countries are censoring the internet? That's quite the joke. Name any topic I wouldn't be able to find information about (according to you), and I will proof you wrong... Clueless..
- implementor, on 03/23/2008, -0/+3Absolutely the case. China keeps information controlled in it's country, we provide such a ***** education that most people just don't care, they'd rather worry about Britney than their lawmakers.
- cli006, on 03/23/2008, -0/+3I have lived in China extensively for business recently and a lot of things we hear about here is heavily exaggerated. People like to point fingers before taking a good look at ourselves. But hey, bad news sells.
- theaceoffire, on 03/23/2008, -1/+4That isn't hard for most Americans... we are kind of apathetic.
Now, asking us to DO something like march, make signs, etc... that is harder. - rz8472, on 03/23/2008, -0/+3I think most if not all of the fault lies with Yahoo, which VOLUNTARILY offered China surveillance software technology to track political dissidents (presumably to gain a more favorable contract). Even if Google.cn is censored, it doesnt particularly helps the Chinese police forces unless Google takes the same steps that Yahoo does.
- nerp27, on 03/23/2008, -0/+3
china's firewall is not something i am worried about, i am currently studying abroad in Beijing and it's no big deal, unless of course they block youtube but that's back now. i use a combination of Mozilla Firefox and Gladder; an add-on for firefox that allows me to use proxies automatically.
what scares me is china is open about it's logging suers and blocking users. in the states we don't know what the governemnt is doing, or logging our net activities. - rz8472, on 03/23/2008, -0/+3It's more nuanced than that. Most Chinese you talk to prefer democracy over the current system they have now. But that's a very small priority compared to maintaining the ongoing economic boom. And unfortunately many are willing to accept the government line that having a democracy would cause political chaos and a recession.
- DanOnTheMoon, on 03/23/2008, -1/+3When the CPC falls, will it be Cultural Revolution 2.0?
- digf, on 03/23/2008, -1/+3 "A friend of mine who went back to China to visit family said he was walking down the street, he saw
someone running from the cops, and they shot the guy in the back of the head. And he said no one
really freaked out.“
As a normal citizen have lived in China for decades, this is the best joke I heard this year up to now. :)
I know you don't like China, but u.... Oh! my god. - otis42, on 03/23/2008, -1/+3Oh digg, your right it's so flipping hard for me to google anonymouse and type in any website. Seriously guy's ever hear the word's PROXY SERVER? It's eye opening to listen members like sfacet's, and sjkn's with their anti communist bias and anti china bias When they have not been here. You will never understand until you have been here. Capitalism is not right for everyone. Chinese people are not oppressed or abused. How many time’s do I have to comment before the “no Beijing olympic’s” posts go away!
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