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Why Diggers Hate SEOs

pronetadvertising.com — While many people think that Digg has an irrational vendetta against these SEOs and SEO sites, it's not entirely irrational. Here's a video that shows why it happens.

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  • GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30Was that guy the best guy they could find to do the video?
    • foobar5892, on 10/12/2007, -1/+38Was a video REALLY necessary? I mean, why not give a bullet-point list of the reasons.
    • NinjaBoy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+50Dude his heavy breathing is freaking me out.
    • bazmail, on 10/12/2007, -50/+1It may be advice that annoys many people but god damn it works!!! ***** digg and ***** you.
    • thelimabeanking, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20He's a "one of a kind, unique" spokesperson for a "one of a kind, unique" service.

      And probably the only person who works at his poor excuse for a company.
    • roomforpanic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+39I wonder who he borrowed that suit from. Was he on roller skates or did he have to take a piss?
    • djsputnik, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19guy looks like a dirtball, used car salesman
    • h00paj00, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Dude, next time go to the bathroom before making a video of yourself.


      Also...ENUNCIATE... don't mumble.

      Then... Get a new line of work. This one isn't for you.
    • tmattoneill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23He is creepy and awful. And what's up with his collar/lapel turned up. He seems totally nervous.
    • bobothn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15The reason i hate them is because i have a small site with a page rank of 2 and on my site i have a webforum with 149 Registered users. in the last month i have had 48 people register accounts with the sole purpose of A. posting a link to spam in forums or B. Having the link to spam in their profile to try to get higher page rank. it is pissing me off. that i have to delete all that crap. So yes there probably is good seo but the seo we have to deal with every day is nothing more then spam at best.
    • DCJoeDog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26Was anyone else not able to finish the video due to sleaziness that the thing oozed?
    • ohcoaster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4that dood's from utah
    • nicepants, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I think it's the half-whisper, and the constant eyebrow raises that send up the red flag for me. "Gotta keep quiet filming my video in the basement, don't want to wake mom up!"
    • Yorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10"I mean, why not give a bullet-point list of the reasons."

      1) SEOs entire purpose is to increase traffic for their clients: "We promise a 100% increase in traffic within 6 months or your money back."
      2) Clients are generally AdSense shills or sell services. Rarely do they sell a product and even rarer still is it a good one: "You sell watch advice? Yes, I hear that is a hot market right now considering that people should know what they are getting into before buying a watch. Google web searches for that topic have been going through the roof."
      3) Digg has a lot of traffic.
      4) SEOs aren't picky about their clients: "You sell pink flamingos? The web is an untapped resource for your industry. You could make a killing!"
      5) Digg is easy to dupe, just use words like AWESOME, BREAKING, DEVELOPING, anything in CAPS and drive your blog traffic to go digg your story. Hell, some people are so shameless they put buttons on their 3-sentence blog articles: "I often ask myself, whatever happened to the garden decoration the Pink Flamingo? Well, that little bit of nostalgia is back with the original Pyrex Pink Flamingo available from Hi-Tech Online, a new startup. Re-live your childhood!"
      6) Not all, but the VAST MAJORITY of SEOs are willing to essentially tell a lie or, at least, not-the-truth in order to drive traffic: "They even have plans to introduce a USB-powered Pink Flamingo in the coming weeks!"
      7) SEOs don't think they are SEOs. This one is self-explanatory. About 60% of the stories on Digg are SEO if I had to guess. Think about how much of the news you read on Digg in a given day seems forced and how much of it seems like you're pulling and wanting to know more.
    • maffematician, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Can't believe no one has dug (pun intended) this far yet...

      The same youtube profile (MakeMoneyOnline) that posted that video also has a video of Kevin Rose from G4 Tech TV, wherein is explained Google Adsense:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8MaV76vR7s

      And even juicier, for your bed-wetting pleasure, another youtube profile (gravtex) has the same SEO optimization video as well as many more by the same kid:
      http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=gravtex

      I think it's his profile. You'll find such informative videos as "Common Snake Myths", "How To Care For a Sick Pet Snake", and "How To Make Green Lemonade". You'll also find a lot more online-marketing videos. Even a video called, "How To Record Your First Video - Basic Instructions". Meme-mongers, rejoice! Here's your new pet.

      Interestingly, every one of these videos has a cheesy URL during the lead-in and fade-out. My bet is this kid probably has some cheap hosting for dozens of domain names, uploads some how-to videos on YouTube, then sits back hoping to rake in the cash on ads. The question is.... is he?
    • maffematician, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1oops, the link is f'ed, but I just missed the cutoff to edit. cut & paste it is!
    • digggsuxxx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0inaccurate! i do not hate SEOs.
    • gorilla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I cannot stand this website. It constantly makes frontpage somehow. The layout makes me want to gouge my eyes out, I mean a dark green background with grey text and headings that are almost invisible. Eh.. please add the site to the ban list.
    • lordkenthegreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Does this guy look cheesy, or is it just me?
    • ThumpinD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And why does he keep twitching like that?
    • h0dg3s, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1real link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shwGa9uBJ7k&eurl=
      avoid the blogspam
  • rauz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32Hahaa...such charisma...
    I love the fact that they mispelled the url at the beginning and end of the video - it says "bluerpint" instead of "blueprint".
    All that effort gone to waste :D
    • databyss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10and what's the problem with his eyebrows?

      Those things were jumping every couple seconds like somebody had electrodes on his nipples or something.
    • dezmo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1bluer is french for blue, so it's not a typo
    • spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Bleu is French for blue, Pierre.
    • mediaphile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@dezmo:

      so bluerpint is french for blue pint?

      i'm pretty sure they meant blueprint, not blue pint.
  • frant1c, on 10/12/2007, -2/+62Diggers hate SEO sites because they're so completely immersed in concepts like "traffic", "content" and "monetization" that they completely forget that web sites are actually written and read by real people.

    And that's pretty much why everyone else hates them, too.
    • a0me, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Nowadays, diggers break a SEO every single day.
    • etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20No... a good "white-hat" SEO knows to keep visitors they need to have good content, and that they need to abide by the rules of the tools they are using (like Digg). A good SEO knows that if they post a spam link to Digg, it's not worth their time anyways. A good SEO knows that having multiple accounts is criminal.

      This guy is not a good SEO.
    • JeremyL, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2They are written for people so that those people can be monetized. You make stupid generalizations. Dumb digger dumb.
    • zoom1928, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Nah, it's more about the spam, and disrupting and abusing other sites as to why people hate the SEO spammers.
    • eddieo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The writer of this article works for Netscape as a 'professional social bookmarker' by the way.
    • scottschiller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My beef is that it's motivated primarily by money, marketing and the desire to sell crap. (Maybe good crap, but crap nonetheless.)

      The web is supposed to be about *information* first, all that e-commerce stuff should be secondary. SEOs in my opinion (those who market themselves as such) are cluttering the web with crap in a cheap attempt to profit from it.

      If you can design and develop an attractive site based on web standards (semantic markup that is well structured and has meaning) that offers a valuable service, you should get the traffic, links and therefore search ranking that you deserve without having to game, manipulate or cheat search engines (who are supposed to be ultimately non-biased, etc.)

  • Anrkist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20That was painful to watch.
    • gharding, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20I was concentrating on how poorly he wears a suit. His lapel is unfolded.
    • chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12it was harder on the ears. I thought 'camera buzz' was a thing of the 90s
    • mhanley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@gharding: thanks! I had not noticed that. I think he may have been doing that on purpose as an attempted fashion statement. Niiiice.
    • kuj007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10LOL I'm with you @gharding...

      the lapel was killing me... so during editing his thought process must have been something like this:
      Sees the lapel. "Dammit! I can't believe I didn't catch that..." Continues watching. "Heeeeyy... this
      is pretty good" more video... "This is *damn* good! -- Well I'm never gonna be able to repeat a
      performance like that again... it was pure gold! The lapel will have to stay... hopefully no one will
      notice it... Move over Mark Cuban, there's a new Internet Billionaire in town. Giggity"
    • mt066, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@ mhanley:
      Oh god, if the "popped lapel" became the new style, I'd be too furious to even function at the office.
    • Awap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@Chris
      I noticed that too. Why does it sound so *****? I'm pretty sure you could get better sound out of a camera phone. Is it intentional?
    • invader, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That sure was professional! (sarcasm) Tips for a great SEO video:
      - Use a low-end consumer camcorder, so the audio quality is as crappy as possible
      - Record video in a small bedroom for optimal echo
      - Green Screen
        = Use green fabric, and make sure you cast a shadow on it.. Shadows are cool.
        = Fold said green fabric to add texture to your background.. Again: shadows, cool.
      - Lighting:
        = If you have a ceiling fan, use the light on that.
        = Incandescent lighting is so hot (pun intended) right now.
        = Downward lighting casts great shadows on your face.. Shadows? Ohhh, yeah.
  • unicornhunter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Oh my god. what a fruit. And what's so funny is that he's going to get slammed for this 'cause you know this is going to the home page ASAP!!
  • ImTheDarkcyde, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22how about why diggers hate articles about digg/ers
    • MacGyver2210, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5*goes to write another article*

      "Why Diggers hate articles that generalize Diggers"
  • JezusGhoti, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Biggest douche in the universe? I think the ***** facial hair sealed it.
  • unabomber, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4What a *****. Buried as LAME
  • willywong, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Another reason to exterminate all carrot tops.
  • noseeme, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Haha, what a moron. I love how his last sentence trailed off into a raspy breath.
    Yet another ***** article from curtisthompson.
  • humanseemer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Wow, did anyone here even RTFA?

    "I present to you one YouTube video that covers every reason why Digg and Digg-like hate SEOs and their blogs, and why they are justified in their hate."

    ...
    • adamc80, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, like its just "diggers" who hate 'em ....
  • epilonious, on 10/12/2007, -1/+50SEO = Search Engine Optimization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_optimization

    Articles criticizing a topic should at least spend the keystrokes in the first instance of the acronym so naive people (like me) can figure out what is being talked about. It's bad enough to feel dumb for not knowing the concept and having to wiki it...

    Otherwise, I suppose not knowing a lick about SEOs can keep me confident that I am not one and therefore not loathed.
    • drsnacks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14It's Saleem who's dumb, not you. Explaining an acronym first, especially in an article where it's used repeated, is SOP.
      I mean standard operating procedure.

      Anyway this is another example of techie illiteracy - these are the people who shunned English classes when they got to college because they thought the courses were below them and their CompSci majors. This is what we get from that.
    • milkham, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6thank you , jesus, i read half the page before someone mentioned what the hell SEO is
  • bazmail, on 10/12/2007, -15/+3most articles on digg are put there by SEOs. get over it you ***** pussies.
    • spiderland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Ban the blog sites, along with sites that have a history of paraphrase/click-through articles (e.g., techeblog, etc.). Problem solved (at least for now).
    • pgoetz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6And most articles never make it onto anyone's radar, either -- that's the whole point of social networking -- to let statistics weed out the cruft. Get over THAT, you brain-dead *****.
    • Remmy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Wait. I think we found the jackass in the video. ***** pussies? Well, if you're the guy in the video... I doubt you ever will.
  • Grym11, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Come on, let's give the man what he wants:

    www.ultimatetrafficbluprint.com

    Keywords:
    lame, retarded, stutter, marketing vulture, spam, greasy hair, waste of time, waste of money, douche bag
  • quicklunarcop, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1This is "black hat" Search Engine Optimization (i.e. the "bad guys"). People who use ethical "white hat" SEO would not use these techniques. See http://www.highrankings.com/issue119.htm#seo
  • qwonking, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I thought I was watching Faces of Meth for a second! This could account for the facial hair mishaps and the breathing issues.
  • DigitalOmnivore, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7WHAT THE ***** IS A SEO?
    • btgoss, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Seriously Encephalitic Ocelot
    • adamc80, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It's one of those sites that's comprised of nothing but links to loads of different searches. Hey that actually makes them sound kinda useful. But they're not, they're the bane of the ***** internet, and when I'm President of the Future, I'm gonna have my Cyber Squad take them all offline and free up a couple billion domain names.

      BTW dude, when you dont know what something is, go to Google and type define:whatever
      (These Diggers'll bury you for asking stupid questions, and for answering them, so see ya on the muddy side of the grass)

    • lateralus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sem*n Entry Optional
  • srothman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Please don't judge most SEOs by people like the guy in this teribble video.
  • pappas215, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0as mentioned in an earlier comment this guy is all about black hat SEO- aka spamming sites - that will definitely get your site black listed by the search engines...

    legit or white hat SEO does offer a very valuable service to companies, especially small businesses, its gives them a chance to compete online with the big boys

    i love how his main argument about why you should pay him is because it takes to much time to make a post

    but yeah this guy is a total douche
  • adamc80, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I turned that off before he got to the end of the 1st minute. I feel like I should offer some sort of eyewash or ocular restorative surgery for the poor suckers who watched the whole thing.
  • blackpearl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6All right I'm not so smart.
    What the heck is an "SEO"?
    I'll figure out why I don't like them later.
    • bazmail, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Search Engine Optimizer

      a page ranking expert.
    • stuntdubl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5True SEO is a marketing school of thought to create any marketing campaign with a procedure that will be OPTIMAL for the search engines, and better online traffic. Ethics is an entirely different story, depending on the terms and confines of ethical rules that the person holds themself to. Some SEO's hold their clients interests higher than those of other communities - which is a shame. There is a delicate balance between the two. I think there are a lot of parallels to the legal profession. Most everyone dislikes lawyers, but you can bet your sweet ass, you love the lawyer that got you out of your last speeding ticket, and helped you keep your leadfoot having license. I am concerned with the performance of my clients sites - but not at the expense of others. I try not to work with folks that have the total "killer instinct, slash and burn" attitude towards driving web traffic. Just with all things in life - it's a karma thing (if you're confused on this part - a few dozen episodes of "my name is earl" should clear everything up)

      The trouble with a whole lot of traffic and exposure (as the gentleman in the video is probably realizing) - is that you come under a whole lot higher level of scrutiny for your actions at that point. If you're willing to do things for extra publicity and traffic, you have to be willing to defend your actions, and deal with the reprocussions, or not be taken seriously at a later time.

      SEO and communities can coexist with mutual respect. SEO is not necessarily breaking the rules - it SHOULD be, playing within the confines of the ruleset, and using an understanding of the rules for OPTIMAL results. There are some great SEO communities with respectable folks, just like digg is a great community. It's only ignorance that keeps them mutually exclusive.

      I think digg hates FACELESS SEO's - I'm an SEO, and I'm happy to be from this school of thought (understanding how search engines work for marketing purposes). It's an honest living where I choose interesting clients to work with and market (hopefully) good and fun ideas online. It's the anonymity - the seo's in the shadows that are only concerned with monetization, traffic, and more subversive motives that leaves the poor taste in peoples mouths.

      A few tips to those who would like to be GOOD SEO's - or just good community members in general
      A. Don't pimp garbage to naive folks who don't know better for a quick buck
      B. Understand that you're putting your name on the line everytime you make a public post
      C. Hold yourself accountable, and be accessible online to admit when you make mistakes
    • HaltingPoint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Stuntdubl – I've followed a lot of your writing and I agree with you whole heartedly. As a budding SEO consultant who is considering the value of Digg as a news submission location (don't base my attempts on my own site stories, I make jack on those and thats just to break news to diggers) I think that there is a lot of hypocrisy on Digg.

      For example, it is fine for massive blogs like Problogger etc. to have their blogs submitted, even though they have ads up the wazzoo, yet people are at the gate with torches and pitchforks if a Blogger or Wordpress blog gets submitted with a couple AdSense units on it that likely would only make a few cents from being submitted. Its hilarious that Diggers don't realize that both sites are in fact considered "blogs". As are Slashdot, BoingBoing etc. Looks are everything it seems.

      And the other thing I find hilarious is that nobody here seems to be able to distinguish from the valid marketing strategy of SEO versus people who have what have been termed "niche websites" that are Made For AdSense. Unfortunately that makes both of our jobs harder.

      I think the end result is that while Digg is nice for building recognition, it sucks for AdSense. However you have to be really careful about how you go about submitting a story because god forbid you submit your own or a client's site...neither or which is against the "official" Digg rules. I put official in quotes since it is mob rule here.
  • trubbleshute, on 10/12/2007, -0/+61. Cinch up that tie please!
    2. Get a suit that fits.

    I know they are small things but I couldn't take my eyes off of that tie...
    • gharding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9For me, the lapel distracted me the most but that tie was awful. It looks like he put on a suit, got hit by a car, then recorded this video.
    • anonatron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+72. Get a suit that fits.

      That suit fits his dad just fine!
  • bazmail, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1most articles on digg are put there by SEOs. get over it you ***** pussies
    • actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The lady doth protest too much, methinks. Blocked.
  • unabomber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Jeez, they WANT you to digg this up and make'em show more ad. Bury this crap, show yourselves as intelligent persons.
    • anonatron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Sure the ad will be seen by more people, but the URL is incorrect so it is worthless!
  • r_berrones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"Hi my name is moron in a cheap suit. I'll show you how to get a one way ticket OFF any website you do this on."
  • elsupergringo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Gary Ruplinger was picked on in middle school for his heavy breathing, his mumbling, and his incredibly short stature. Jennifer Davis was the love of his life but she laughed at him. Now he's quietly working on his little empire of websites so that when he meets Jennifer again at the 15 year reunion he can do it in his collar popped and driving his shiny new red Mazda Miata.
    • alecks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This makes no sense! I hope the story tells who gary is.

      Wahzahhhh
  • miseducation, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This is horse *****. 95% of dugg articles and pages were put there in the first place to get backlinks and as a result better search engine rankings. Even anything that you see by reputable big daddy blogs like Engadget or Gizmodo exists so that they may get better rankings on those specific topics.

    But worst of all is that this very submission - certainly by one of the yuppie tool blogger assfaces whose pictures are proudly displayed under EVERY post - exists only to recieve SEO-worthy backlinks.
  • mbthompson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Aside from SEO being crap, that was one of the most poorly produced videos I've ever seen. The guy needs to take a breath and project his voice. Not only that, but is it so hard to make sure you put your jacket on properly and tied your tie snug?! If this jackass came in to my office for a job interview I'd send him packing. Oh, and lets not forget about TURNING OFF THE MIC when you fade to a graphic! Presentation is 80% of the sale. You sir have failed, miserably.
  • pathetik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4FreaKy...this guy just can't stop moving
  • nusuni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Either he is on drugs or he's just a moron.
  • Cynoclast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Search Engine Optimization (SEO) is a euphemism for link spam in -all- cases.

    Sites that truly deserve to be among the first results in a search will end up there without link spammers. Therefore, any site that needs these link spammers to get them there do not deserve to be. Therefore all search engine optimization is just link spam.
    • lazworld, on 03/22/2008, -0/+1ture but not entirely. black hat vs white hat. who has ethical methodologies?
  • wastednightmare, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think that he was about to cry!
  • sirfroggz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It's people like this who give real SEO a bad rap. Its all about content content content. This is why the internet is bogged down with a bunch of crap.
  • DJNewStyle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Uppity digger hit me on the head with a shovel!"
  • Apreche, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I hate SEOs, and I'll tell you why. It's because SEOs are cheaters. Search engines like Google and site like Digg and del.icio.us have systems. SEOs, no matter what their specific methods are, are people who try to cheat those systems. They do things in order to benefit themselves at the determent of everyone else in the community. We all use and depend on these sites to help us access and find information we want quickly and efficiently. SEOs make that harder for us by artificially moving their content around in the system. Imagine how awesome Google would be if they didn't have to deal with people trying to artificially increase page rank? SEOs make search engines suck for the rest of us in order to benefit themselves. No matter how "ethical" their methods are, they are all bandits. End of story.

    I hate SEOs.
  • opticalfiber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I wonder if their "experts" were the ones to MISSPELL THE URL in the opening graphic..... ultimatetrafficBLUERpint .... it's a stupid video made stupider.
  • shallwedave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1nice suit.
  • sporb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5when someone says 'i've developed a system...' you know their a scumbag
    • Remmy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Insert Bill Gates/Steve Jobs jokes here.
  • supernova17, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Guy looks like an ***** with that tie, who the hell would hire him.
  • jerwong, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Is it just me or did it just say UltimateTrafficBluerpint at the beginning?
  • plnegative1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4That guy is a serious moron. He seems very nervous, maybe he knows he's full of *****.
  • h0dg3s, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2blogspam
  • krolls, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Holy ***** the entire time I could not stop wondering why he was dancing around the ***** frame like he has to piss. Never mind about the horrible audio, deep breathing and flipped up lapel.
  • y2048, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe Digg should consider following Wikipedia's example and make their links all nofollow as well ( see http://www.digg.com/tech_news/All_Wikipedia_Links_Are_Now_NOFOLLOW )
  • tyywebb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Creeeepyyy....
  • mattvaughn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This man is attempting to take advantage of all Digg stands for, his techniques should not be tolerated
  • tmattoneill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh my god...I think it's Crispin Glover hoaxing us all!
  • antonaf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0The SEO service he is selling takes 20 minutes to complete and he is talking about it being time consuming. I think there is room on social bookmarking sites for SEO's as long as they supply relevant, useful, and compelling content. Anyone who can write original and interesting content should be able to reap the rewards, because the web rely on good content. The a-hole in the video doesn't have any regard to the quality of the content.
  • secureslash, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1link building problem???
    http://secureslash.com/seo/25-rules-for-a-successful-link-building/
  • searchxpert, on 11/29/2007, -0/+0Good point! My site is all about SEO and these spammers ruin it for the rest of us!
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