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- grawity, on 02/02/2008, -5/+150mp3wned.
- insllvn, on 02/02/2008, -2/+127Copyright law is meant to better society by promoting creative achievement through ensuring a reasonable amount of profit. The system is broken, the wrong people are getting rich, and creativity is being stifled. If creativity is to thrive and prosper, a reasonable balance needs to be struck between the rights of the artist to profit from their work, and the rights of the music consumer. The whole matter is complicated by the hard fact that there is no intrinsic value in a series of 1's and 0's that are easily copied, and thus there is little emotional impact to the act of digital piracy. In conclusion, this law makes a sort of sense, but is little more than a stop gap, and piracy cannot be defeated. Arrrr.
- krystalo, on 02/02/2008, -2/+70I'm now interested in moving to Italy
- mal1964, on 02/02/2008, -0/+61They got an offer they couldn't refuse.
- eihwaz, on 02/02/2008, -0/+46OK, since I'm Italian I'll try to explain it a little better.
1. They already understood they've made a mistake, it's just a matter of time before they "fix" the law.
2. Even fully-commercial-albums are now be considered "educational" by this law, since people might want to listen to them just to judge the quality and write reviews (yea, we don't listen to songs for fun, we do it just to learn how music sounds). This definition will be probably fixed too.
3. This law is for all media: they started with photos (they wanted schools to be able to legally get images of paintings and so), then they moved to audio, but they probably haven't understood yet that this thing gets video too! Yep, we're right in the middle of a download-everything-you-want time.
It will end very soon, I don't think many people will be able to take advantage of it. - inactive, on 02/02/2008, -1/+44flac with 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% degration.
time to invent it. - goldenratiophi, on 02/02/2008, -0/+33flip one bit. like, in a silent part.
- fatlip, on 02/02/2008, -0/+30illegal.. they're not "degraded"
rtfa - jeriqo, on 02/02/2008, -1/+28Why not.
16bit 44.1KHz (CD-Audio) is also degraded compared to the 24b/96KHz used in most studios for the recording.
People should stop thinking the CD is the true/perfect/original/whatever quality. - inactive, on 02/02/2008, -0/+25Courtney Love wrote the best article on music piracy you will ever read.
http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/l ...
"The system's set up so almost nobody gets paid.
Story after story gets told about artists -- some of them in their 60s and 70s, some of them authors of huge successful songs that we all enjoy, use and sing -- living in total poverty, never having been paid anything. Not even having access to a union or to basic health care. Artists who have generated billions of dollars for an industry die broke and un-cared for.
And they're not actors or participators. They're the rightful owners, originators and performers of original compositions.
This is piracy.
Technology is not piracy - QuickeningYak, on 02/02/2008, -3/+27A national government inadvertently did the right thing with P2P? Pshaw. I'm sure they'll be correcting that mistake very soon now.
- foolonthehill, on 02/02/2008, -1/+22Wasn't it also Italy who accidentaly made all video games illegal a few years ago?
I will try to find a source...
... My mistake, it was Greece: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_electronic_game ... - Murdats, on 02/02/2008, -1/+15wow, you picked up on that all by yourself? even though it is almost entirely spelled out in the description.
- grawity, on 02/02/2008, -0/+14Um, we're just, uh, doing a scientific analysis of this particular song's effects to human's ear, optimizing the CPU usage of this in_mp3.dll thing, and also stress-testing this new shiny CD burner. Yeah, that's what we're doing here.
- grimward, on 02/02/2008, -5/+19well, in theory, all lossy formats would be legal as they are by technical definition degraded ;)
- wushu18t, on 02/02/2008, -0/+13i would give another +1 for the "Arrrr" if i could.
- HairyFotr, on 02/02/2008, -0/+12And 24b/96kHz is degraded compared to the actual performace. But the CD recording is the one being copyrighted, so i'm guessing everything worse than CD quality can be considered degraded in this case.
- OrangeSoda31, on 02/02/2008, -0/+11I'm not interested in your lack of interest on the matter of saphyrre's lack of interest in krystalo's choice to move.
- Murdats, on 02/02/2008, -1/+11l dont make money downloading music, thus its non-commercial.
- DarkDx, on 02/02/2008, -0/+10Truth.
- knobtwiddler, on 02/02/2008, -0/+9i have to agree..
no good art was ever made with the sole intention of making money.
and the notion that file sharing hurts artists is PURE BULL. the only thing hurt by file sharing is big record label profits. independent labels that sell their own downloads for a reasonable price benefit from the promotion. I often buy mp3s even though i don't have to. i also often donate or buy software that i find useful, even though i don't have to.
I WILL NOT, HOWEVER, PAY 16 DOLLARS FOR A PIECE OF PLASTIC CONTAINING STUPID, BOARD ROOM, (sry for shouting) watered down corporate music, that might have 1 halfway decent song, and the rest filler junk. so that the record compay can have 15.00 and the artist gets 1.00. no, instead ill just download some indie songs and if i like an artist i'll go onto beatport.com or emusic.com and buy some of their other songs for 1-2 bucks a piece.
and before you say anything- i also produce music, and i give it all away for free on the net. the only money i've made off music has been DJing in bars and clubs. - RpgActioN, on 02/02/2008, -0/+9PEW PEW PEW
- cigawoot, on 02/02/2008, -0/+9Shh... I'm downloading music to learn about it. I'm being educational.
- Ahnteis, on 02/02/2008, -0/+8No. It means reproduction for non-commercial purposes. Music is not commercial or non-commercial.
- kuypersvn, on 02/02/2008, -0/+7I'll pay 5 dollars to download that comment. 8 if it comes with art.
- shatteredmind, on 02/02/2008, -3/+10dont let the title fool you. the article clearly says: noncommercial AND degraded AND there is a restriction to educational or scientific use. so unless you are a teacher or a scientist, this bill isnt good for you.
- merien, on 02/02/2008, -0/+7In other news: The Pirate Bay has announced the are moving from Sweden to Sicily. According to their statement this move is mainly because of the better climate in Sicily. They also announced the launch of The Pirate Bay university for the study of music, movies and other media.
- inactive, on 02/02/2008, -0/+7Those lucky italians....
- phoomp, on 02/02/2008, -0/+6I'm a student of life
- ayeroxor, on 02/02/2008, -0/+6I'm not interested in guessing what you're going to say.
- Magicmasta, on 02/02/2008, -0/+6In the Netherlands you can download anything "legally" (except child porn) it's uploading that's illegal. Hell they charge like 1 euro per blank DVD to compensate the authors.
- 33PercentGod, on 02/02/2008, -0/+5SHH! Don't tell them! It's like reminding your teacher she didn't give you homework for the weekend!
- BingoPower, on 02/02/2008, -0/+5There are plenty of other reasons to move to Italy too.
Tuscany being one.
And the fact the wine isn't french (doh!) - 0011002, on 02/02/2008, -0/+5Isn't that from Star Trek?
- moncsco, on 02/02/2008, -2/+7What??? Are you serious? Are you not scared of Italian Politicians?
The Italian parliament may have "unwittingly" legalized sharing music over P2P networks. - ApeInago, on 02/02/2008, -1/+6the cd is the copywrit material. so the agurment is based on the cd.
- CuddyBuddy, on 02/02/2008, -1/+6Knowing the Italians' fancy for things "revolutionary" I'd not be surprised if they had done it knowingly :-)
- widgetmaker, on 02/02/2008, -0/+5Wow an intelligent description of the purpose of copyright on digg.
- kurttrail, on 02/02/2008, -0/+4The CD is a physical object, and cannot be copyrighted. It's the songs on the CD that's copyrighted.
- knobtwiddler, on 02/02/2008, -0/+4no CD 16 bit/ 44.1khz
- bradkovach, on 02/02/2008, -0/+4Four legs good, two legs bad!
- smashhell, on 02/02/2008, -0/+3educating my ears, baby ! ;)
- Szat, on 02/02/2008, -0/+3Most beautiful country ever! (minus Sicily)
- evilbunnys2, on 02/02/2008, -0/+3I second that motion.
- Pheter, on 02/02/2008, -1/+4For scientific or educational purposes. So is it not still illegal to download music albums?..
- allfatherblack, on 02/02/2008, -0/+2Any MP3, regardless of bit-rate, is degraded. Mp3's are legal then. While I agree with hack that I PERSONALLY would not define a good mp3 as a degraded enough to fall under this law, MP3 is inherently a very lossy format no matter how good you compress it.
- OrangeSoda31, on 02/02/2008, -1/+3This was a triumph...
- OrangeSoda31, on 02/02/2008, -0/+2Are you doing it for educational or scientific value?
- Zaeboes, on 02/02/2008, -1/+3People can get food for free, its called being homeless and going to a soup kitchen, "free food" doesn't sound so great.
Artists are not hurt by p2p networks, the record company has already paid the artists all they intend to. p2p takes from them, and there will always be enough consumers for the record companies to turn a profit. -
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