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- inactive, on 09/03/2008, -0/+21Ok, there isn't a crisis at this exact moment; however, we need to strengthen the backbone to handle the increase in media rich content that will continue to grow.
But this argument still doesn't not give credence to the internet providers like Rogers, Comcast and others who want to cap net usage. They are just greedy, end of story. - TalksInMaths, on 09/03/2008, -3/+20The sad part is that 98% of the public out there wouldn't understand this article. "What do you mean the intertubes has a backbone? My RoadRunner just makes it work . . . now let me get back to pimping my profile on MySpace"
Sad. - Dronez, on 09/03/2008, -0/+12It's the next new thing, bandwidth speculation; oil's digital cousin. If the providers can produce the illusion of not enough supply, too much demand they can 'justify' higher prices and capping internet use.
- levelred, on 09/03/2008, -1/+12I blame myspace and porn
- WoollyMittens, on 09/03/2008, -0/+10Corporations like nothing better that to create an artificial scarcity to fleece us with.
Strangling the growth economy that the internet represents, apparently is far more profitable that developing it. - zulfy26, on 09/03/2008, -0/+6ISPs like money, isn't it obvious?
- mrmopwater, on 09/03/2008, -0/+6This is total propaganda from this group: http://www.internetinnovation.org/
Founded by these guys:
From a Washington Post byline "Bruce Mehlman was assistant secretary of commerce under President Bush. Larry Irving was assistant secretary of commerce under President Bill Clinton. They are co-chairmen of the Internet Innovation Alliance, a coalition of individuals, businesses and nonprofit groups that includes telecommunications companies."
...THAT INCLUDES TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANIES. I can't find any criticism of this organization anywhere. Anyone know where there's some research on these guys? - UnixSkunk, on 09/03/2008, -0/+4Anybody who knows anything about networking knows that it is unlikely we will have a problem with throughput across the internet. With traffic metrics, etc, data will be re-routed across links that arent saturated, thus helping to balance the load. And with the number if different paths available across the internet, I find it highly unlikely we will run into traffic issues for a LONG time to come. The latency might increase, but It should all balance out thanks to TCP/IP and its ability to keep track of when packets are dropped, or come in in the wrong order. :)
The Phone companies are trying to convince people that P2P is a threat, when it isnt. The only thing it is likely to impact is your local junction where they decide to merge the neighborhood's traffic. Because they would NEVER provision enough bandwidth for half the neighborhood, then refuse to upgrade the link when the ENTIRE neighborhood signs up... - twiztidsinz, on 09/03/2008, -0/+3^piles and piles of
- Steinr, on 09/03/2008, -1/+4This is great news, I only wish the UK would roll out the fiber network they have been threatening us with for a couple years now.
- TalksInMaths, on 09/03/2008, -0/+3The point is that you need to go back to pimping your profile because you're one of the clueless users
:) - trollick, on 09/03/2008, -0/+3They don't make bandwidth anymore.
- esilverski, on 09/03/2008, -1/+3This is your first comment. Maybe after a few you will realize ninja commenting isn't funny.
- linksus, on 09/03/2008, -0/+2The UK does have a fiber network.
BT , VirginMedia, Cable & Wireless , GlobalCrossing and many more.
The cheapest being VirginMedia, however if your willing to pay the others will quite happily put a fiber to your building for up to 1Gb connection. - ACalcutt, on 09/03/2008, -1/+2hmm...
doesn't not = does?
won't not = will
so rephrased that would be "I think it doesn't give credence to those ISPs who will stop people from dowloading more then the companies invisible bandwidth cap"
am I close on the meaning of this text? - sfacets, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1No crisis? Then why the caps?
- sam991, on 09/03/2008, -1/+2Does... not... compute!
- sndream, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1Company only need to pay for traffics that's ongoing but not incoming, right?
- Tenoq, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1Backbone isn't the problem, IMO - it's the next level, with ISPs and backhaul/interconnects within states/regions/whatever. The actual Internet backbone is fine, but people still end up with slower connections during peak times because their local node/exchange/whatever is overloaded.
Without knowing the real term for this, I dub it '2nd last mile'. And it needs fixing. Now. :P - lornali, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1I thought internet browsing is optional
- DCstewieG, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1@ACalcutt
Yes. Apparently (seeing my diggs) people missed that I was just poking fun at davidkeithjones for incorrectly using a double negative. - TalksInMaths, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1I have control over the mileage I can put into my car. There are no caps on the sewage system I can use . . . can't say the same for the internet.
If I have to explain this to you, then you really don't get "it". - twiztidsinz, on 09/03/2008, -1/+1Neither is ninja looting.
- mjw2025, on 09/03/2008, -0/+0TalksInMaths
My point was that people don't need need to know every function to use the internet anymore than you need or want to know every circuit and process to watch your TV, I'm quite confident that with your self proclaimed expertise you can describe what's happening on every data line on your pc. - discoburgess, on 09/04/2008, -0/+0I'm fairly sure the crisis being mentioned by ISPs is on their side of the network, they aren't complaining about the backbone, they're complaining about their ability to channel that much data into customers houses, which isn't a backbone issue. I may be wrong on that.
Although, don't get me wrong, I firmly believe they should deliver what they promise, not whine when people actually use their internet connections within capacity limits. ISP ads always go on about how quickly you can download media, then complain when you use iPlayer. - discoburgess, on 09/04/2008, -1/+0Wow, technical snobbery. If you don't understand the article, you're obviously "pimping your profile on MySpace"? Don't be such an idiot, there's absolutely no need for 98% of the internet to know how it works, no more than they should know the ins and outs of the telephone system, their car, or the sewage system of their city.
- mjw2025, on 09/03/2008, -4/+1What's your point?
- DCstewieG, on 09/03/2008, -7/+1I don't think it doesn't not give credence to those ISPs who won't not stop people from downloading more than they weren't told they couldn't.
- binyard, on 09/03/2008, -7/+0I blame YouTube.
- NinjaCommenter, on 09/03/2008, -17/+4your gay.


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