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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I'd also like to add: Page Rank is like the webs version of measuring your penis.
- Oatmeal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The following is a quote of a Google representative:
"The PageRank that is displayed in the Google Toolbar is for entertainment purposes only. Due to repeated attempts by hackers to access this data, Google updates the PageRank data very infrequently because is it not secure. On average, the PR that is displayed in the Google Toolbar is several months old. If the toolbar is showing a PR of zero, this is because the user is visiting a new URL that hasn't been updated in the last update. The PR that is displayed by the Google Toolbar is not the same PR that is used to rank the webpage results so there is no need to be concerned if your PR is displayed as zero. If a site is showing up in the search results, it doesn't not have a real PR of zero, the Toolbar is just out of date"
More info here: http://www.seomoz.org/blogdetail.php?ID=9 - calebb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6And I bet you wonder why you don't get very relevant results...
Also, perhaps goggle is some sort of spam(scam?) site? Try http://www.google.com/ - dwnwrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3At the very least, you should change your results per page to 50, so you only have to ignore 2 pages of results :)
- gmillerd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Page Rank isnt the be all end all, but it doesnt hurt if your in various markets and while your designing your website its not a bad thing to shoot for in a secondary sense.
Not every website can produce pages and pages of news content easily (a manufacturing company for example) and are shoulder to shoulder with thousands of similar websites. - abstractia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This smells a lot like spam.
The majority of these self-proclaimed "SEO experts" are just spammers who abuse and game Google's ranking systems. The best "optimization" is to have content worthy of a top ranking in Google with clean code, not load your pages with keywords and other shady techniques. Any web developer worth his salt already does enough "SEO work" in just coding the page properly - if the content is good it will rank accordingly. - Trevahaha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Much better explanation, straight from the source:
http://dbpubs.stanford.edu:8090/pub/showDoc.Fulltext?lang=en&doc=1999-66&format=pdf&compression= - gd007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3what about alexa rank?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That right there is the type of ***** that gets you banned, just like the DP coop
- ellenweber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1An interesting read -- I never seem to know what the symbols and digits are for and just learned that one can also digg comments. Good thing we can learn from discussions like these.. Thanks
Brain Based Business - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6***** if I know. My site is the top search result for most of the categories it serves, but I never pay attention to that. I've never done SEO or even done any advertising for one second in the eight years my site has been around. It started by word of mouth and remains today thriving only by word of mouth.
I could care less what Google ranks it as (although I dislike people who use the name of my site and my domain name as adwords that google makes a profit off of so that every time they search for something, my domain name pops up their unrelated products or dating services or whatever).
People really need to stop giving a ***** about page rank and SEO crap. If you have to worry about that, it means that your CONTENT or your SERVICE sucks ass. If you have something worthwhile, people will know about you and refer other people to you and you will have more business than you know how to handle. So take all that time you were going to waste with keywords and spamming other websites with your domain name and invest it into imrpoving your site or service directly. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Even though I'm into SEO and it kills me to say it, but I agree with you.
However, SEO does work, ***** service or not. It's all about the dollars. SEO can turn any ***** site into a major organic traffic site. And natural traffic pays very well.
But yea, the best SEO on earth cant compete with word of mouth, ever. The trick is getting a site thats unique and has a great service. I have achieved this combo two times out of hundreds, it's a very good experience to go through.
As for pagerank, PR means nothing. I am on top for many many great search terms, and the people below me have much higher PR.
SERPS > Page Rank - KevinJB, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3So you skip the relevant results and go for the ones Google thinks aren't? Oh, I see. That makes complete sense. Right along with your idea that people paid to get in the top 100.
Idiot. - mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yikes, Digg's pagerank is 0. Definitely not accurate.
- spanner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How come 365 people vote for this post yet nearly every comment is negative?
Is this for real? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1pagerank means a LOT! People use the word Google as a verb, and that only shows the gravity of the search engine monopoly that is Google. I mean pagerank is Google's prized algorithm that can do no wrong (in their opinion), but it's essentially combatting democracy - sites using the system are able to rise higher in results, and sites with actual content fall to the bottom. Yahoo once upon a time was on the verge of becoming an Internet staple, it was almost used as a verb, but fortunately Google took away their monopoly, unfortunately no one has yet to break up Google's monopoly.
And until someone does, we'll be forced to put up with more no-content ad portals, and SEO pundits spamming every forum/site/blog imaginable with spam urls for viagra, casinos and 411 scams. - Chtiwi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0voici une bonne explication en détail http://www.xcess.info/fr/comprendre_le_google_pagerank_en_detail_afr.aspx
- greenblogger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That is an excellent example of how linking is mis-understood. The vast majority of sub-pages within even the most-trafficked sites is zero, which means that NO PAGE IMPORTANCE IS CONFERRED. Now, for example, this page may get some links, and in a few months, it might have some importance, but by that time, it will have long since travelled off the Digg radar, and no traffic will result.
The feed tools I use (www.viralinks.com) stay on a web owner's home page because it cross-pollinates traffic among those that display it. Those that sponsor a tool get link pop in addition. - kamtsa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Does 'Page' in Page Rank stands for 'HTML page' or 'Larry Page' (the inventor of Page Rank) ?
- vhale, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Who gives a flip.... although good pagerank is a plus!
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http://headache.web-biz-pro.net - dgarallenpoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The whole idea of PR is totally stupid. According to John Battelle who wrote The Search the book which chronicles how Google came to be and other matters related to search, the idea of judging a pages relative worth based on how many incoming links wasn't even theirs. Not entirely anyway. Whether it was or wasn't though, PR is so 1990's. I don't care how fancy their algorithms are, computers are not nearly as good as humans at judging a particular pages relevance to a topic and probably won't be for a long time. I think the success of digg speaks for itself. Why not base search on user input? The way search currently works, it's really not about who has the the best website with the most useful information (a rather straightforward proposition, really), it's about scheming and gaming and all sorts of nonsense that most people on this forum are no doubt familiar with. Google might be much better than what came before it, but when people are looking for relevant information on things, it still misses just as often as it delivers. I give props to Google for doing some interesting work lately, but search, as defined by Google is passe.
- WoodenDigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1What is important is not PageRank; but PigeonRank:
http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html
The technology behind Google's great results
As a Google user, you're familiar with the speed and accuracy of a Google search. How exactly does Google manage to find the right results for every query as quickly as it does? The heart of Google's search technology is PigeonRank™, a system for ranking web pages developed by Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin at Stanford University.
Note: This page was posted for April Fool's Day - 2002. - greenblogger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0From Google's Webmaster Help Center on "How can I improve my site's ranking?":
"In general, webmasters can improve the rank of their sites by increasing the number of high-quality sites that link to their pages. For more information about improving your site's visibility in the Google search results, we recommend reviewing our webmaster guidelines (http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769). They outline core concepts for maintaining a Google-friendly website."
PageRank is not dead, only delayed. They had to stop assigning immediate popularity based on incoming links, so that they could make sure that those links were legit. It's still pretty useful to gain quality, inbound links.
Mark @ Viralinks - recklesabndon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0See what happens when you question google's pagerank?
- spanner, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Pagerank is bollocks....
Its poorly updated, poorly used, and has little reflection on the quality of the site.
Forget about it, and focus on quality and good content.
Its imaterial to the internet and to webdesigning, a red herring which some designers obsess over. - maximedt, on 05/14/2009, -0/+0hey, it's an awsome article about pagerank! there is a french site about pagerank here :
http://www.paidpr.com/pagerank.php - seinternet, on 03/18/2009, -0/+0Cheers, I enjoyed reading this checklist of items.
- gd007, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4i think digg should start something called diggrank : how many from a website has been on the front page of digg. there is another buzzword.
- greenblogger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I disagree for two reasons:
1) Links are not reciprocated. They are all one-way. In almost all cases, you can not be banned for any external linking activity. What gets you banned is participating in link farming where you return links to the so-called "bad neighborhoods".
2) The Google rule of thumb is "Is this link useful to my visitors?" The answer is yes. It is picked up because it is part of a simple applet that cross-pollinates content.
Mark - digi7al64, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0pagerank is a joke and is still (to a large extent) based on the original patent submitted in the early days which calculates your rank based on the number of incoming links. Hence if you can afford the time and/or money to spam every site possible in the hope of exchanging links you can expect your rank to increase regardless of how "relevant" your site is.
Generally you will find the most relevant search results for business are always in the ads they serve... why? beucase it doesn't make logical business sense to provide a result for free. So you need to click an ad. hence the half billion dollar profit.
but... if you want results that are unbias and based on the content try msn. seems to provide all the results i cant find on google - Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Is PageRank important: yes
Is it very important: depends on your situation: age of site, etc.
I have a PR7 site (http://johnbokma.com/ ) and my traffic grows and grows just because of several factors, the PR7 is one of them.
Most people who say PageRank is worthless have no clue how to use it, or how it works, or how any other of the so called SEO techniques work. Moreover, a lot are not even able to write semantically HTML or readable content for that matter, but stick to SEO myths of the previous century :-)
Yes, you can digg me down, since this is digg. - spanner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1... but only when you are a virgin...
- stevester, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Techeblog top 10 lists would be number 1
- CherryTzors, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0PageRank is total crapperation. All the big wallet advertising search engines get up there, and suddenly, you're not feeling lucky anymore.
- jamesdwi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0its nice that my blog has a page rank of 5, the same of lots of other sites i frequent
http://uadmin.blogspot.com if anyone is interested. - greenblogger, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Page Rank is useful, but way, way behind the times. Google's link pop database only updates every 3-4 months, so it takes a long time to get your pagerank up. My site has 123,000 one-way links into it, but I'm still only at a lowly PR4.
I achieved the linking by using a community feed-based tool that just so happened to carry my link. The service that generated it is at http://www.viralinks.com. Very useful Link Building resources there. - DaMacGamer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2google pimped out:
http://gizoogle.com/ - kLacK, on 10/12/2007, -12/+7Page Rank doesn't mean squat anymore.
- thedove, on 10/12/2007, -19/+13yes, but everybody isn't as l33t as you. you've gotta realize that there are hundreds of thousands of people who use digg every day, not just yourself.
in fact, at this point, 43 people don't think this is "rather late to ask the question" :)
nobody likes a know-it-all, homie - inactive, on 09/24/2008, -6/+0*sigh* I really wish diggers would catch on to SEO - such a cool bunch, but well behind the curve on the SEO stuff.
My apologies, but I can't resist a shameless self plug on this one:
There's a big difference between "actual" Pagerank (and/or more importantly trustrank/ trustscore) and Toolbar pagerank - TBPR is total misinformation now.
Pagerank is not dead...It's just stupid:
http://www.stuntdubl.com/2005/08/02/pr-not-dead/ - quietbob, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5@thedoveshack
glad you're sticking up for us Digg users out there, now at 92 diggs. - Darth, on 10/12/2007, -16/+10Isnt this rather late asking the question?
- dupswapdrop, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11. I am sick of no content sites.
2. I do not click on ads.
3. When I do a search on goggle or somewhere else I go about 10 pages in just to skip all the sites that paid to get in the top 100.
so they can game goggle but they can't game me.
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