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- yoyobye, on 10/12/2007, -4/+72Well, there's his problem right there!... He paid for a Yahoo! services...
- kenvsryu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+63The bigger mystery is why would anyone pay for a yahoo email account. I'm befuddled.
- m0n3y, on 10/12/2007, -4/+63May B they shud hav band u 4 posting lik this
- Keropipi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32So what did he write?
- puto, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34Just boycott everything yahoo.
- fullphaser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27I have already being doing that to serve the Google overlords, any other ideas?
- chicoer2001, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24Reading through the TOS seems like it was ok. Was it right? No
15. TERMINATION
You agree that Yahoo! may, under certain circumstances and without prior notice, immediately terminate your Yahoo! account, any associated email address, and access to the Service. Cause for such termination shall include, but not be limited to, (a) breaches or violations of the TOS or other incorporated agreements or guidelines... - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21"Soon they will be offering FREE email accounts just to try and keep people interested in their service."
They've had free email for a decade, dumbass. - brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20I cant believe the consumerist wrote that entire article and that it got dugg with absolutely no reference to the offending text whatsoever.
If the complainant isn't revealing his original message then there is obviously more to this story then he wants us to know.
Don't let this guy slander Yahoo! on hearsay - I trust them more then I trust some random complainer. - baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19yahoo canceled the news messageboards because of brainless profanity and chronic ignorance of the people that frequent the news messageboards, yahoo chat is infested with porn bots - the yahoo portal is a damn ghetto, maybe someone at yahoo finally decided to try and clean the place up a little, its about friggin time because this has been going on at yahoo for a long long time...
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14So they started with a real human's site, instead of the spambots???
Yeah, that'll work. - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12If you honestly can't figure out how to get yourself banned, then you fail at internets.
- KrazyA1pha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@ daroach
"I'm glad the consumerist checks their sources. The story says that his account was suspended for saying something about harming animals, but from his own story it seems like he was asking questions about hacking a lazertag system."
I believe those are two different people. The person who wrote in to The Consumerist is called "Andrew," but the person who was banned for asking about hacking the laser tag system went by the handle of "michael.harcrow." The thread you are referring to (http://messages.answers.yahoo.com/answers/threadview?m=te&bn=SEA-ViolationsNotice&tid=401&mid=401&tof=4&so=E&frt=2#401 ) is simply one of the examples he gave of other people who were having problems, not his own thread with Yahoo. - geoken, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Check out this link (it was posted in the Consumerist article);
http://messages.answers.yahoo.com/answers/threadview?m=te&bn=SEA-ViolationsNotice&tid=401&mid=401&tof=4&so=E&frt=2#401
The guy had his yahoo mail account (which contained important emails) suspended because he asked a question about hacking his laser tag system. - astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Yes, they are like the AOL of the 21st century, they teamed up with Verzion DSL.
Yahoo! software is automatically installed on your PC when you use Verizon's software to setup/sign up
to their DSL Services. Yes, you can go in and De-Yahoo your PC, but its a pain in the ass.
At least there is one app to clean up your Yahoo! messenger if you use it:
http://www.johntp.com/2006/06/04/how-to-remove-all-unwanted-yahoo-messenger-ads/
Other then that you manually have to uninstall each Yahoo! app that Verizon installs on your box. - mikelieman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14"so can't violate T&C's AFAIK"
Do you respire oxygen?
Read far enough into the T&C, and you'll discover you've already violated it.
It's called "Anarcho-Tyrrany". You never know from what direction the oppression will come. - KrazyA1pha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10As I posted above, I believe those are two different people. The person who wrote in to The Consumerist is called "Andrew," but the person who was banned for asking about hacking the laser tag system went by the handle of "michael.harcrow." The thread you are referring to (http://messages.answers.yahoo.com/answers/threadview?m=te&bn=SEA-ViolationsNotice&tid=401&mid=401&tof=4&so=E&frt=2#401 ) is simply one of the examples he gave of other people who were having problems, not his own thread with Yahoo.
- samtermaine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Yes! I have been looking on a way to cancel my account. You know I could just go the easy route and press the cancel button or call customer service, but this is easier and personally a lot more fun.
- Winters, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Gmail has pretty much the same policy.
Description of Service. Gmail is a free, search-based email application from Google (the "Service"). You understand and agree that the Service may include content-targeted ads or other related information, as further described below and in the Gmail Privacy Policy. In addition, you understand and agree that the Service is provided on an AS IS and AS AVAILABLE basis. Google disclaims all responsibility and liability for the availability, timeliness, security or reliability of the Service. Google also reserves the right to modify, suspend or discontinue the Service with or without notice at any time and without any liability to you.
This stuff can be kinda scary since I have so many accounts tied to my free public email. It would be almost impossible for me to reclaim some domain names if they did this to the account I used to register them with. - Ninja337, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8We can't judge the situation until we know what he said.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Seriously, I used Yahoo in like 1996 when I was naive. Then I found Infoseek and Excite and haven't returned to Yahoo in 11 years. I used to frequent Flikr until Yahoo bought them and demanded a login. Now I'll never return. I saw a Everything Yahoo touches turns to crap.
Look at their email system. Huge intrusive ads. http://reviews.cnet.com/i/so/pc/ji_20089289_20089290_pc_01.gif
And don't even get me started in Rogers/Yahoo in Canada. The inescapable ad-laden home page portal is nauseating.
Nobody likes you, Yahoo. And the people who do like you, you ban. Don't let the tubes hit your ass on the way out. - selrahc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Youtube is a photo sharing website? Thats news to me.
- unusualbob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7..dugg down, not the same guy. read the article.
- hgb5150, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yahoo treats paying customers badly and will cancel accounts at the drop of the hat. One of the reasons why revenues and profits aren't dazzling Wall St.
- allahuakbar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7To anyone who thinks it just because it was an "inappropriate" comment, you gotta realiza it's not just a black and white thing. What one person deems inappropriate another might see as everyday language. If we start banning any kind of language or particular phrase because one person or group of persons regard it as "offensive" or "inappropriate", we'll soon be censoring just about everything...
- chess007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Deleting everything without contacting you first just seems spiteful and mean."
It is. Thats exactly what happened to my girlfriend. She lost contact info, scholarship information, etc.
Legally, sure they are in the clear. But morally...makeing someone sad just because someone else was offended at yahoo answers...
To anyone that thinks this isn't a big deal, remember that a lot of people dont know to back up emails with important information... they don't really think about it.
Back up your email, and switch to gmail or hushmail... but always back up important info. - spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4RTFA. The guy doesn't even know what he said, and Yahoo refuses to discuss it with him.
- fwedwic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5i would never have payed for a yahoo service.... i dont even want their free service.... google may have similar terms and conditions but i dont ever hear about google being a hard ass. probably why google will always be better than yahoo. a lot better.
- GotMex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is exactly why backups are priceless. I believe Yahoo! Plus gives you POP access to your mail box so you really should be downloading those emails to your computer and storing them if you're worried about their loss.
Oh and while it might be nice to have all your services in one spot (mail, hosting, photos), you might be better off looking at each individually. If you like Yahoo! mail that's cool, but you can get a web hosting account with free domain and email access for under 10 bucks a month. They make backups easier, and are a bit easier to recover a loss from since you have disk access.
As for Yahoo!'s policy, it seems rather harsh. Given that there is no details about what was said, I imagine the TOS violation was clear, but there's no reason they should delete your stuff. It can't be that hard to provide users with a "Hey, your account is suspended. Pick up your stuff at this link. It's a zip file of all your data" or something like that. Deleting everything without contacting you first just seems spiteful and mean. - NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Um, you do realize that the summaries on digg submissions aren't supposed to contain the important parts of the articles, right? You're supposed to go READ the story.
- fwedwic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5jus gonna make them feel like they're doing the right thing. that sir, would be a waste of your time ; )
- CaesarBlue, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6***** that Sucks.
- EnterDaMatrix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5
"I pay for a Yahoo mail account. Paying gets you access to POP retrieval or STMP forwarding to another address. In addition, there are no ads. Also, when you send an e-mail, those darn ads that get tacked on the end of your message go away."
Every single one of those features are available from Gmail for free. - daRoach, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11I'm glad the consumerist checks their sources. The story says that his account was suspended for saying something about harming animals, but from his own story it seems like he was asking questions about hacking a lazertag system.
- burtonbe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I pay for a Yahoo mail account. Paying gets you access to POP retrieval or STMP forwarding to another address. In addition, there are no ads. Also, when you send an e-mail, those darn ads that get tacked on the end of your message go away.
- trer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well Yahoo is working hard to not let Yahoo Answers become what Yahoo News Messageboards had devolved into.
- radu79, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4That's kind of scarry.
Like that guy (and many other people) I have a lot of passwords and accounts linked to my Yahoo e-mail. Some of them pretty sensitive (bank, PayPal, eBay, etc.).
The reason for this is that I don't want to be tied to some ISPs e-mail address, in case I decide to go to some other ISP.
So I guess the best thing to do is what someone recommended: have two e-mail accounts, and divide the important stuff between them. - ArielMT, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8The question "What did he write?" went unanswered. "Something inappropriate" is not an acceptable answer.
Given the victim's recounting, Yahoo's lack of comment on this matter, and Yahoo's established track record on similar matters, I'm led to believe that the "something inappropriate" was inappropriate only in Yahoo's imagination. - NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Comment Hijack:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070413123827AAlC7oC&pa=FYd1D2bwHTHwI7xiHek6QStUUmBy01aQOMYaqhc_uUNXAMstv.JaZka2Sil1bmo3JKMl5OcxuG.ikA--&paid=asked&msgr_status=
Post your answers there. :)
My particular Yahoo account is rather sacrificial. - KSUdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Too bad that if he actually did violate the TOS he wouldn't have a leg to stand on in a lawsuit. Companies include TOS specifically for that reason.
- imfm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ah--I need to read more carefully. ;)
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2MSN vs Yahoo is like dry heaving vs scraping your knee.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3... unlike the old days where you hosted your web pages and registered your domains offline?
- unusualbob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@localzuk
...you do realize that this was talking about a paid email account right? That would mean that there is no kill-off security as you called it...want to bother paying attention and not trying to justify your squandered dollars to yahoo? - oddigy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I have also had first-hand experience with Yahoo!'s quick trigger finger regarding complete deletion of accounts that have teetered on the borders of the huge umbrella that is their TOS.
Years ago, I was the member of a Yahoo! Group. I was apparently quite active, and the owner promoted me to moderator, then to co-owner.
After some time, the activity died down and I stopped visiting the website (I never had messages delivered to my email; I just logged in to read the latest stuff). I was still co-owner at this time.
Many months later, I went to log into that particular Yahoo! account, to find that it had been "suspended due to violation of TOS" similar to the guy in the story. There were no details or anything regarding why the group was canned, and it's a mystery to this day.
I sent an email (I had his non-Yahoo contact stored on another address) to the other owner and found out that the group was suspectedly shut down due to a violation of TOS, and all moderators' and owners' accounts were subsequently nuked.
There was absolutely nothing illegal going on in the group, and we're still confused as to why Yahoo! nuked it...
Oh well, that's what Google Groups is for, I suppose. Hell, better yet, there are webforums for any topic you can imagine. I don't know of any services that Yahoo! offers that aren't done better somewhere else.
Don't even get me started on their stupid ads that are nothing but scams. (win a free ipod!!!! ugh) - localzuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1To those of you who don't understand the concept of illegal clauses in contracts - if I use an email account which I have paid for and it is cancelled through no fault of my own (I just use it to receive email from my friends, relatives and online transactions) then even if there is a clause which allows them to cancel it if they have a psychotic episode I have fall back and can sue that company for doing so - this is the security I speak of.
My response was to the 'why would anyone pay for a yahoo account'. I did read the article, but responding in context of the article was pointless. I do, however, now understand the hatred of all things yahoo shown by a lot of the digg community and think that you should grow up. - ludjer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1dude there are so many good forums out there
google is your best friend :D
yahoo, there to upright about stuff
some web admins need to take chill pills - sally00, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I ALSO have an account on Yahoo Answers.
And I ALSO had my account deleted.
And I had somewhere between 10,000 - 15,000 points.
It was suspended because I would answer people's questions by sending them a link.
People tend to ask the same damn question over and over again. So I sent them the same answer OF COURSE. Why not?
A link to a website was part of my answer..... and someone reported me for "SPAM".
I had no warning whatsoever and got my whole account suspended.
My email didn't even work anymore.
I had to email Customer Service about it.
I even got others to do the same thing.
I didn't want to get another account.
I mean, I spent MONTHS building my account to get to that amount.
And to have my credibility flushed down the toilet like that?
Oh, it pissed me off.
After a week, I got it back.... finally.
But my email STILL doesn't work...
I wish I can find another forum to help people out.
But I'm just too damn nice. - Pyloff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You sir are exactly what I don't understand... 15,000 posts what the crap were you talking about. It couldn't have been that important. I'm sure your superior attitude carried you through the rough parts.
Oh and Ludjer there are many people who think you are a moron. - burtonbe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@EnterDaMatrix
Thanks for the info. Some other things that paid Yahoo mail has is (1) "addressguard," which is the ability to arbitrarily add temporary e-mail addresses that forward to your mail account, and (2) desktop sync software that handles all calendars, appointments, etc. I haven't been able to find other syncing software that works as well and completely... paid or not.
I poked around my gmail account and couldn't find the equivalent functionality. I'd love it if I could switch; gmail's interface and calendar are superior IMO to yahoo's (no sync-able notes however). One of the only reasons why I still have my yahoo mail account is because I've had the address for so long. Switching is a pain. Now if I yahoo could just offer secure IMAP access, that would be sweet.
Thanks for the reply buddy. -
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