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- HackWithRamzi, on 10/12/2007, -5/+43If Walmart was a nation, it would be the 8th largest buyer from China.
- cphuntington97, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37 The neutrality of this article is disputed because:
This article does not contain enough information about the Criticism of Wal-Mart
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from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walmart - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33Ctrl + Scrollwheel........
- diggless, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34i like the life insurance policies they take out on the older employees and the walmart corporation is the beneficiary
I also like that they are below federal standards in pricing accuracy at checkout
I also like that statistically they are never cheaper for a typical shopping session by a typical consumer
i also like that their suppliers are making special lower quality products for walmart which are offered at nearly the same price as the same brand and model in a competing store. So when you buy something at walmart you cant compare its quality to even the exact model number elsewhere.
Its also pretty neat that they force workers to clock out and keep working
and they consider 24 hours a week full time so they can say that they have an 80 percent full time workforce.
they store fertilizer in open air so rain washes it out into drinking water.
when workers try to team up to secure living wages walmart either spends millions to thwart the effort or just shuts the store down.
i could go on for hours and i have not even touched the support they provide to the chinese government.
please stop shopping at walmart. - ehmjay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25well the page is now locked from editing. perhaps a good sign for them?
- jbus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Costco is a much better company to give your business.
- egamma, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21That's just silly. Truth is, whether we believe it or not.
It is True that the Earth is round, even though the whole world believed it was flat. - sinner0423, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Wal-Mart isn't that great & wonderful. Honestly, it reminds me of shopping at 7-11, except on a larger scale.
I go to Aldi for my food, and buy my electronics online. What else is there to purchase in life? - p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19"The only conclusion I can make is that Wal-mart has used its economic power to hire lobbyists who as part of their job use Wikipedia to spread disinformation for the benefit of Wal-mart. This stands as a powerful strike against the very integrity of Wikipedia."
I find "Neutral Point of Views" rarely exist - even in Switzerland.
So Walmart is guilty of editing a text about their company by putting it in a positive light? How does that materially differ from those that edited in negative commentary?
How 'objective' can Wikipedia really be when it bases it's content on a free-form editing process that will ALWAYS reflect both objective and subjective impressions of reality?
Case in point: the recent Wikipedia hack of one politician's Wikipedia entry by his political opponent's campaign staff.
Wikipedia: AWESOME idea and a GREAT resource. But please don't spin this on-line resource off as a pure and objective encyclopedia of human knowledge and we should not be surprised by humanity's persistent tendency to portray one position favorably over another.
It is what it is.
Wikipedia's description of itself ring's true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia - kajoob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18So it was ok when the wiki was biased against Wal-Mart, but bad when it is biased for Wal-Mart? I just wanna get that straight.
- Bleek-II, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Here's where you can find the real story on Wal-Mart!
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart - rideagain, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17"truth" does not mean "belief". What you're talking about here is beliefs. Everyone can have their own. Truth, there's only one.
- LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18Because, uh, this isn't slashdot?
- vandalet, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22We call upon the Digg Army to bring down the evil empire.
- hiredgun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16the text from that blog page is so tiny..talk about web site design :/
- Loonquawl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Nothing, if you like running around naked...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11When you get a job., your point of view on the situation may change. I actually do care about Wal-Mart's employees because I've worked in jobs that sucked, but was fortunate enough to be able to leave for better ones. Wal-Mart shouldn't prevent their employees from unionizing. Its that simple. I vote with my dollars and do avoid Wal-Mart because I think their business practices are wrong.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13"Although the Wal-mart page was originally highly critical of Wal-mart, it has slowly shifted to a very positive perspective."
The page now seems pretty neutral, telling both the good things and the bad things Walmart brings to the economy. Sounds like originally the article was originally written by anti-Walmart zealots who are pissed off that they don't get to use Wikipedia anymore to spread their propaganda. - Oakes, on 10/12/2007, -12/+23Elitists like to complain that small European-style boutiques are being driven out of business by Wal-Mart's low prices. I'm sure they regard all the struggling working families choosing those lower prices as "impossibly naive."
If you want to criticize Wal-Mart, you'll all do better focusing on the fact that they're a cash cow for one of the most vile regimes on the planet. Just a humble suggestion from Yours Truly. - clementi, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19"i see truth as a relative term, when most people believe something then thats the "truth" of that time"
Majoritarian nonsense. - foobario, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@bpapa:
"Unfortunately this is the problem with Wikipedia - a lot of people just don't know how to write things that are unbiased and only present factual information from credible sources."
Unfortunately this is a problem with all media. The thing that upsets me the most about the Wikipedia furor is not that people think Wikipedia is *not* accurate, it's that they think their nightly news *is*. - vandalet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Or they could pay them a decent wage and give acceptable health benefits and avoid both.
- cwhill, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I guess the way I have to look at it. If you were on Wikipedia, would one of your ex-girlfriends or wife have the best view on a description of your life and actions. Criticism of one persons point of view is not always the best way to define an event, company or famous people. Criticisms should be left for websites that focus on such criticism. You have many review websites out there for that. Take your favorite political pundit and everybody has their own view of that pundit. Digg is another good example of this. Wikipedia from my understanding is where you can go to get a general description of certain things not why everybody and their brother hates or loves it.
- kewldude606, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Sam's club *is* Wal-Mart.
As a previous poster pointed out, Costco is a much better alternative. - tylerni7, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13I'm in
- cdgore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Shouldn't the page just contain the facts about Walmart? I don't think anyone is looking to Wikipedia to give them an opinion about something.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Frankly, I also don't see what the big deal is. They have drastically increased our purchasing power by commanding low prices from manufacturer - the increase in purchasing power exceeds whatever critics call as costs that the workers and government bear (health care, food stamps, etc.)
People claim that their influence is too great, but it's merely proportionate to its size.
Working at Walmart is generaly considered "unskilled labor" of which there is great supply so one shouldn't expect so much. Workers there ar paid reasonable amount for what they provide to the company. If they were to pay much more than market value, you would upset the system. You can't have the largest employer in the nation artificiall paying and providing benefits above the norm. It would remove an incentive for people to further educate themselves.
I'm sure that many of you here have seen the documentary "Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Prices":
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0473107/
I can't believe the score it received - 7.0/10. Not a single expert is interview. They don't interview a single economist in this film, just a bunch of disgruntled works who feel entitled to benefits they don't deserve. The film also unfairly faults them for crime on their property, which is analogous to me being at fault because a murder occurred in my backyard. The flim also cites the sq. ft. area of empty walmart stores in the US and equates that to the number of potential classrooms and number of students these hypothetical classrooms could hold -- this is how stupid this film is.
However I do think they are a bit too aggressive and unfair with union. - aelias, on 10/12/2007, -16/+23Low prices aren't always in the best interests of the american economy.
The problem is people are lazy, cheap, and stupid for the most part. Walmart just exploits this to their advantage.
By putting smaller companies out of business, they create more customers.
It's evil, it's genius, and it can't last. But in the meantime, if a few white people get rich, who cares?
/prepares for the flame - einsfahrt, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12@aelias:
What exactly does race have to do with your comment?
People are not stupid. People do not think things through would be more appropriate in this case I would think. The fact is you can get it cheaper and more conveniently at Wal-Mart a lot of the time. However, it really does hurt local businesses. - ponzudigital, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Read the criticism page. Walmart is hard at work white-washing that page also.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Unions come because the workers are stuck and usually can't find other jobs, and are thus taken advantage of. Its like the story of the newsies in the early 20th century. They couldn't get jobs that wasn't selling newspapers, and were being treated unfairly. And no, I didn't learn all that from the Disney movie of the same name.
Unskilled labor needs representation. That's why unions are born. - msafi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8You can use the Minimum Font Size feature in Firefox
- captaindan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I won't deny that there's an element of elitists among people who oppose Walmart, but let's not kid ourselves: Those "small European-style boutiques" are local businesses, and shopping at them keeps money in your local economy. Money spent at Walmart goes to China, and even if you ignore the human rights issue, it still contributes to a trade deficit.
- JK1150, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I think this article pushes things a bit far. I really don't think Wal-Mart executives lose sleep over a wikipedia page let alone have lobbyists edit the page to keep their image good. I like wikipedia, use it a lot, but I really don't think Wal-Mart corporate cares about it.
- durrty, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Saying "Well if you don't like Walmart then don't shop there, or don't work there" is like saying that if you don't like Microsoft then don't buy Windows. While its possible its not really an option for the vast majority of the world.
- Jazzed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Out of curiosity, do you have a source for that?
- psychopixi, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10i'm in! can we start by boycotting???
- drizek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You dont have to shop at that hell hole.
Their stuff isnt actually cheaper than most other places. They just have some really cheap crap that they use to advertise, but anything worth buying costs as much as it does in other places.
Go to costco instead. They have better products, great prices and they pay their employees around $15/hour and have healthcare and other benefits. Walmart pays minimum wage, no benefits , no unions and no overtime. - DoubtfulSalmon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Agreed. I call '*****' and 'blog spam'. The blog entry clearly has nothing to do with the English Wikipedia article for Wal-Mart, it looks fine to me. I'm no Wal-Mart employee, I hate the bastards!
- djgump35, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6too bad there is no mention of the prank the former employee claims to have pulled on one of the walmarts.
- steveng, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8How can you be biased if everything you say is true. The article does have a lot of negative things about WalMart like and they have sucky benefits and they mutilate local economies but there do!
B.T.W. I do think WalMart is the center of all evil. - passion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, Wikipedia is a fantastic resource, but you can't always trust what you read there. I think that Penny Arcade made this point succinctly with the He-Man themed cartoon:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2005/20051216h.jpg - Nessguy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10"By putting smaller companies out of business, they create more customers."
So you mean Walmart wants people to buy from Walmart instead of other places... Sounds like normal business practice to mean.
Walmart having low wages may be seen as a problem, but the solution there is to work somewhere else. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4People that write to much in their comments need to get a blog then make an article hope it gets on the front page then get yelled @ for linking to a blog.
- foobario, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"It's like Hitler wanting to argue what's written about him on Wikipedia.:
Well, minus the Ouija board. - Zuhaib, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Someone at /. pointed this out when it was up there
"A lot of these edits are done by anonymous users, just IPs to me."
Yeah.... I really want to hire Whitedust Security.
It seem NPOV Wall-Marts wiki, there are other wiki articles that talk about the union issues and etc - abadbronc, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11I was going to comment on this story but I gotta drag my poor ass on over to Walmart and buy some much more affordable groceries for my family.
- pussfeller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Why does that Wiki article even have a "Criticisms of Walmart" Section? The whole article is critical of Walmart, and with old boring lefty arguements too.
My only criticism of Walmart is, they sponge off the taxpayers and use the gov't to steal land for themselves. God help us is they actually got unionized, then it would totally suck to shop there.
They need to hire more cashiers too. And put more RAM in those self-checkouts, or something. - vvaduva, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8We call upon the Digg Army to get jobs and perhaps take a basic introductory class in free-market economics...and sto being stupid.
- drinequality, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Vile regime? USA or China?
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