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- PatrickFisher, on 10/12/2007, -7/+55In related news: The Microsoft-based study also claims that Vista will solve world hunger and cure cancer.
- thenet411, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44No, I think they mean more jobs in the tech support sector. Vista is going to be very similar to the 9X/XP era. When people started changing from Win9x to XP, so many things were different and so many people hosed their systems trying to install older software apps or drivers that just were not made for the new OS. Calls to tech support centers are going to go through the roof. Who knows, this might create a backlash against inept technical support reps in India that people in America just cannot understand. When the person trying to help is not understandable due to a heavy accent, it only makes the person that needs the help even more frazzeled. There is a real opportunity for local computer 'gurus' who may not be good enough to do IT for a living to take advantage of the new OS and make a little extra money by helping grandma and grandpa learn how their new computer works.
- AssProphet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30better put:
"Hurricane Vista will flood the economy in an IT storm surge as the business world struggles to cope with yet another poorly designed OS from Microsoft."
Glad my company was smart enough to evacuate years ago. - sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24I didn't think bloggers could create so much revenue just by telling us how much they hate/love vista.
- davidzet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23I have an even *better* idea -- why not throw all our computers and software into the ocean -- think of all the jobs that would create!
Seriously, these bogus multiplier reports are bad economics. (I'm studying for a PhD in same.) If you combined all of them (impact of new models from Ford! Impact of Iraqi war! etc.) you would multiply world GDP by 10 or so (ie, double-counting-plus-squared).
At worst (like now), they perpetuate the silly idea that replacing something useful with something else is "productive". This is known as Bastiat's broken windows paradox: how can breaking windows be good for the economy if you pay the glazier and only end up with anther window?
If IT departments stick with XP and put all that time and $$ into, say, better collaboration tools or database rationalization or security or training people to stop clicking on "I love you" emails, THEN there would be a boost in real production.
Bogus crap. - skywake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16whats that Gethsemane? you want to be blocked?
ok sure.....
:P - hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18We've lost sight of the economy as a means to provide us with the goods and services we want and as a result much of the "revenues" these days are false.
- argoff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12@broomett, FYI, Linux has already won the battle for the data center, has improved drastically every year, has surpassed Apple in usage, and has an uptake of 20% and higher. Oracle and Microsoft didn't make Linux deals because it was a "looser" in the marketplace, but because it is kicking ass. Now vista is coming out with no apps, overbearing DRM, no privacy from Microsoft, unknown stability, a nice high price, and Microsoft's wonderful reputation for support. I would say the chances of Linux explosion in the market place are pretty high about now.
One more thing, if you have ten million people making mud pies and getting paid $100/hr to do it. Technically speaking, the economic activity will look great on paper, but in practice will be nothing but waste. The same is true with Microsoft. Upgrading, supporting, and reinstalling may create economic activity, but doesn't create genuine productivity and wealth. I can't imagine companies won't notice that. - crazybrit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Uhh... who tries to make a buck off of giving tech support to their GRANDPARENTS?
- gerkin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11M$ to real world translator:
Vista to generate $70 billion in revenue for IT industry and increase jobs ---> Vista to suck another $70 billion in revenue from end users and increase need for tech support - drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"local computer 'gurus' who may not be good enough to do IT" or maybe gurus who have better jobs that pay more then IT?
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Same incomplete type of study they did in Europe.
IDC pronounces Linux unimportant to European economy
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| A recent IDC white paper on the economic impact of Microsoft's super
| soaraway new Vista operating system seems to be lacking one crucial
| ingredient -- other operating systems.
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http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34542 - drumhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I just had a fun time with microsoft when I asked them what the cost was to go from Windows Server 2003 SP1 to Windows Server 2003 SP1 R2... it was $719 per machine (SIX), or over $4,300! "When does Longhorn come out", I asked? Their reply was "Maybe 2 years from now".
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7There will be more progress with OpenGL in coming years because of its increased use in consoles and other platforms. Being cross-platform is a major advantage, porting OpenGL games is very easy compared to DX.
Also keep in mind that you don't need DX10 or Vista to use the new features of DX10 hardware. OpenGL on DX10 hardware will get the same benefits. - Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Vista to generate $70 billion in revenue for IT industry and increase jobs"
Whenever I read headlines like that, I'm really reading:
"Vista to cost the world $70 billion" - dotnetnoob, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10@ugger
I have a tech support company supporting home users. 95% of my co business is getting XP back up and running. It simply amazes me that so many people on this planet choose to use such an awful piece of software. It pays the bills though!!
Did your customers click on "Pairs Hilton beaver pic pop up"? - Gottschalk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I don't know why you are being dugg down.
I actually like Vista but you are 100% correct. Someone's revenue is someone else's expense, it must be so. - xbasilx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7MS thinks that if they repeat something long enough it'll turn into reality... or at least to their advantage
there's nothing appealing about vista. nothing. there aren't any new killer apps, no killer features, in fact not even many drivers for existing hardware ... just draconian DRM and activation - all spyware, adware, trojans, viruses, and SPAM.
sign me up for that! Woo Hoo! oh yeah, plus it costs more than the hardware that it runs on. what a great ***** deal... NOT - autoy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Can you really expect innovation from a software culture that doesen't give a damn about things like ergonomics, typography, user interaction or consistency? The Windows software culture is ill because the host operating system is not a nice place to grow up on, neither an example of how things should be done. Of course, there are honorable exceptions but the general panorama is rather depressing. I find no excitement or good motivations for innovative software beacause the technologies in the OS are just the same all over since Win9x and no .NET or eye-candy-framework is gonna change that because it's the deeper, inner technologies of the OS what gives software the foundations to work with. Yes, it would be all those technologies finally discarded in Windows Vista.
- jabbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@broomett
you obviously havent been in the real world to see the amazing things people can do to computers - Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@coldstatue
My top tip for getting anything working on ubuntu in those rare situations of something not working:
1. Get the model number
2. Go to google
3. Type in "ubuntu forums (modelnumber)"
Usually works for me! Most of what you need to do can be done from the command line so it's as easy as cutting and pasting what someone wrote! Good luck and may you be deshackled more in the future! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Try linux, it cost 0 dollars per machine(SIX), or $0!.
"When does Longhorn come out" who cares - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6What exactly does Visa have to offer me? I use Window Blinds, so "Aero" is nothing new to me. There are third-party aps that duplicate the alt-tab visuals, but I'm just not interested. I don't run a business, and I don't need the bit-lock thing.... I guess the indexing is a bit more impressive, but I'm pretty sure the OS will be very hungry and do a lot of crap in the background without asking. So basically, as I understand it from my limited perspective, you have an extremely expensive operating system, that doesn't change the user experience as much as it feeds the hardware market by enforcing higher standards. More than a little reminiscent of planned obsolescence in the auto industry? I'm desperately trying to make the switch to Linux, but am still having too many hardware compatibility issues to rely on it for my primary OS. Maybe that's what we're really paying Microsoft for - 30,000 drivers. For me, this is the weakest point in the Linux movement. I know progress is being made... but when a Linux distro boots up and detects most of my hardware, with little or no fumbling around, I will leave Windows in the past. I think there are many potential converts who feel the same way. Well, maybe I will get Vista, so I can familiarize myself enough to get another tech support job. I miss those days... Just not the part where my salary was cut in half because half of our jobs went overseas./
- jmontes, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8So let me get this straight. Didn't Microsoft, not too long ago, commission a study that claimed it was cheaper to run/administer their OS than Linux? And how does this new study support that? Yeah, I thought so... NOT.
- erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Hmmm... What have we here? Seems you've taken it a tad personally. An MS employee perhaps? It's called humor. Everybody knows Microsoft has an awful track record in terms of consumer OS security, so it's only natural that tech people will make jokes about it. If you don't like it, then come back with something witty to support your own viewpoint.
- tugger, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16I have a tech support company supporting home users. 95% of my co business is getting XP back up and running. It simply amazes me that so many people on this planet choose to use such an awful piece of software. It pays the bills though!!
- dotancohen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5And where will that money come from? That's right: Vista will COST the industries relying on the IT industry $70 billion dollars.
- Willmonwah, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Isn't that also Vista to cost $70B /: )
- MeatBiProduct, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8India rejoices!
- Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@Coldstatue
"I'm desperately trying to make the switch to Linux, but am still having too many hardware compatibility issues to rely on it for my primary OS. Maybe that's what we're really paying Microsoft for - 30,000 drivers. For me, this is the weakest point in the Linux movement."
In my humble experience, linux works with more hardware *out of the box*. - Altotus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4More garbage, more sanitation workers. It only makes sense.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Vista creates a lot of jobs in the same way as Hurricane Katrina created jobs for the clean-up crew.
- r00tus3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4***** HELL !!! Is there even a story buried under all this damn spam !!!
- thasmadawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Mo Money Mo Problems
- zonk3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well... as the old saying goes, "What's good for General Motors is good for America". The same they probably figure is true of Vista.
- YouKnowHim, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Vista then Linux??, boy you better grow a pair and digg on in!!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@zonk3r
You hit the nail right on the head. If it comes from America, and the rest of the world will buy it, all kinds of antitrust laws can be broken to ensure growth and dominance. - megaloid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The broken window fallacy just keeps resurrecting itself...
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Why was this article written at all? We all know about the industry's forced obsolescence hardware upgrade cycle, nothing has changed.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Stonekeeper -
Do you build your own PCs? I have a gateway, which comes with integrated ATI video. I did just put in an nvidia card, which has definitely helped, but still causes problems when linux is querying my hardware. Plus, I can't get wireless yet. My webcam is a problem too, which I actually use for several hours a day. Still, I've only run live-spins so far, because I want to chose the right few distros to install. Maybe a full install will take care of some of my issues. Ubuntu 6.10, Fedora Core 6, and SuSE 10.2 look like the forerunners for me right now. I wanted to try Sabayon, because there was a post here about a live DVD not too long ago, and many said it just detected EVERYTHING. This was not the case for me, as it froze on boot. Still, I'm making an active effort to learn and adjust, so one day I can make the switch. I think I'll keep my XP partition though, no matter what. I like XP. It just works for me when I need to get things done. But I think xbox is the only MS product I'm really in love with. I made the total transition to Mozilla recently, and I couldn't be happier. (Except for when Thunderbird leaves mail on the server that Outlook can get. (?)) Anyway, it's a start. - dotnetnoob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+590% of the market share will do that.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@stonekeeper.
Thanks! There's tons of stuff there! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@crazybrit
I never thought of that! I could just unplug the monitor and make 50 bux! - chess007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4
"A research study released today by International Data Corporation and commissioned by Microsoft shows that the Vista operating system will drive significant economic growth in the United States in its first year of shipment."
No way! Who would have thought? This is like when Microsoft said Windows XP was the most secure Windows ever. - dezmd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You ARE being sarcastic, right? That's 100% marketing speak.
- pixelperfect, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Can digg please block comments with ton's of line returns? thanks. @Gethsemane's comment
- neko, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@Gottschalk: Ugh, no, no, installing everything with an executable downloaded from someplace off the interwebs is a horrible way to do things.
Do I want to be an install-monkey for my OS, and hunt down installers for all the software I need, and run through them all Next>'ing and rebooting? No. I want to just fire up Synaptic, check a few boxes and click Apply.
Also, how often do you keep your software up-to-date? Windows Update handles the OS parts, but what about all your application software? Some apps like Firefox or Azureus attempt to build their own auto-updaters into the program, but what about the ones that don't? Do you regularly check those websites to make sure there weren't any point releases fixing security issues?
Wouldn't it be nice to just have one program to take care of all that for you?
I won't even bother with the "everything needs a complicated command line" myth. - iNoles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I hate calling up to a company tech-support that in India. What’s point of having more jobs for tech support if they hire people that are not learning Vista very good?
- Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I find it strangely hypnotizing to show and hide Gethsemane's comments...
Wait, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, Vista sucks, yadda yadda yadda... -
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