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- Erez, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20this is *****! I'm sure there will be a "way around" it.. but that kind of crap starts to piss me off.. everybody trying to control whatever it is i do with my pc.. can't rip my own cds, can't backup *****, can't move files from here to there.. thats crap!
***** all the people who are responsible for this kind of *****.. - bitterg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Extremely lame.
Only the best pro-hollywood law, that DMCA. Try as they might, I'll still be streaming whatever I want to, thank you very much. - bvinson, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20lame
- negativefx, on 10/12/2007, -15/+29@mooninite: "Oh, I'm sorry you use Windows. *laughs*"
Quite the comment to write on an article when the title begins with VISTA. You ***** retard. - LosingTheFight, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Welcome to the modern era, where you own nothing (you do know you are only buying a license, right?) and fear of over litigous big companies who solely want to make money (*cough **AA cough*) forces everyone to bow to their will. The question is, if I pay for a subscription and want to view that content I legally paid for on another device, why can't I? Oh, that's right, Fair Use no longer exists.
Who do we get mad at though, Microsoft for covering their asses? Or the **AA that has pushed this IP/No-Fair-Use BS? Here's a hint: it's not Microsoft.
I agree man, it's total *****. - Sarki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@mooninite: did you read the article?
Cable cards are only given out by Cable companies for use only in pre-approved cable card devices. People in the AVS forums have been trying to get them for use in self built computers for years. Ain't happening. - alwaysmc2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Meh, you can still schedual recodordings over the interenet and access the recorded files over the interenet. That's good enough for me. (The video would be higher quality anyway.)
- amandaw33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I've been streaming my recorded TV via Media Center to the internet with http://www.orb.com/ .. Great experience. Sucks it's not built in.. but whatever, it works
- Corvidae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Ok, for those with the Myth that there's no way to get digital TV on Linux. First, realize that any driver can be rewritten. Second, why bother trying to hack a driver? There are already IR controllers for PC's. Use the video output from any cable box and have the PC act as the remote control. Poof no more DRM.
The recording industry can fight and bicker all they want. Audio/video signals will always be duplicable. There is nothing they can do to stop it, and they'd be better off making it easier to copy stuff and changing the way they do business. - Modulo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I'll tell you exactly when the MPAA and the RIAA will be satisfied with boning us. When your PC is reduced to a TV set with a credit card slot, or when they are gone. Then and only then.
- jonesin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9This is exactly why Zune sucks as well. They care more about controlling people than they do about bringing a good product to market.
- Grimdotdotdot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Welcome to the 21st century, citizen.
- ArmandoM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6In your "dork" friends' defense... I really don't like "The Real World" or "The Bachelor" either...
- kernelhappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6as Vista engineers bowed to the cable industry's demand for content protection by enabling streaming only to Media Center Extenders.
"bowed" heh, I'm sure Microsoft is completely broken up over the fact that the cable company has given them a reason to limit the use of content only to Microsoft produced or licensed products.
I'm sure Sony is just thrilled that the Xbox 360 can be used as a media center extender but AFAIK there is no plan for the PS3 to have this ability/license. It's a win-win for Microsoft. - Shirokun, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Welcome to Windows vista DIGITAL RESTRICTIONS MANAGEMENT (DRM).
And this is only the beginnig... - archer75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Welcome to Windows vista DIGITAL RESTRICTIONS MANAGEMENT (DRM)."
This has NOTHING to do with Vista. Vista has no more DRM than XP or even OSX.
This is all about the cable companies, the MPAA and the RIAA. They put the DRM on thier media and they decide who can use it and with what restrictions. Not microsoft. All of these restrictions apply to the media and the same issues apply under linux and OSX. - jb347, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This shouldn't be a big surprise. Same folks who don't allow you to export shows from your $799 Tivo Series 3. CableLabs sucks!
- sheriffbob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5So why am I upgrading to Vista?
- culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That title scared the crap out of me. I thought they were going to eliminate streaming to MCExt's! That would mean no "streaming" to an XBox 360.
And the fact that they still allowed MC extenders means that it will be hacked. - austindkelly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i have an HD cable card for my DLP and one for my Media Center, they both work fine for me, and i can 'stream' recorded content using some third party compression software on my media server.
- dBLiSS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This type of news is a boon a for OSS and GNU/Linux. Being that all the source is open and free the cable companies have no one organization it can "pressure" into adding restrictive DRM. Ubuntu and the like become more attractive everyday. I dunno about Apple, but I imagine they will cave to similar pressures that MS does being that they need the Media industries too, what with their iTunes and iTV and such.
- NetJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5For all you Linux guys... What makes you think Linux is going to have a better shot? You can't just hack up a driver for cable cards. They have to be activated and authenticated from the head end. They will NEVER be allowed to work in a device that isn't Cable Labs approved and certified.
- mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Massif, your local stations (ABC, CBS, FOX, etc) are *supposed* to be unencrypted. I believe this is by law. You'll get 50% of the HD programming available with a simple QAM PC tuner without a CableCARD.
I wonder if how many digg downs I can rack up. - JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10I don't see how companies covering their asses from potential lawsuits is "lame". Companies do it all the time, and it's not like Apple and Linux distros are guilt free of it, look at Novell, and Apple has made similar moves on many occasions.
- Andy.D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Right, I use Sling, but the issue is that if content is recorded via a cablecard, it won't work on a Sling or an Orb unless you can send the analog output (Sling is made for this).
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Vista/OSX provide the tools for various content delivery scenerios. They will both play content that is DRM'd to hell and they'll both play a CD ripped to FLAC or mount a ripped DVD image. People need to realize it's there choice. As long as they're lazy and except content that is hand delivered to them by the media giants then they will be accepting content on someone elses terms. It isn't a Windows/OSX/Linux issue since DRM circumvention tools can exist an any of these platforms.
- uptown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hello IPTV.....
- bias, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Chill out, it's just the fanboys doing their jobs. blame everything on microsoft
- myxyplik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Cable in general sucks, anyway. Why should I pay such a lofty monthly fee when the only thing I'll probably watch is Battlestar Galatica?
- vguard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Microsoft proves, again, that they don't have their customer's best interest at heart.
Microsoft doesn't trust us, so why should we trust their software?
Greedy, sneaky *****...
- Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Erez
Good point. Personally, I haven't purchased a CD since 1999, or 2000 anyway, because of this kind of crap.
What I don't understand is somebody figures out a way to do something with stuff they've legally bought. Others see it and flock to it because it is something everybody wants, then in response, these companies try to kill it instead of recognizing the market and coming up with a good way to supply the demand.
If Vista has built into it these kinds of limitations, then Vista is not something I'll ever use. - felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Exactly. The Zune itself might be a good piece of hardware (I don't know, I don't own one), but as long as it's made by a company that's happy to make us into the music industry's prison bitches, I don't want one.
- ammoniaslip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe video streaming with VLC is a viable option.
- NetJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Corvidae
Sure, any driver can be written. But that won't get you CC support. CC's are activated and authenticated. It's not a plug and play card. As for just dumping out the videa...sure... Want HDTV? Too bad. Want anything more than analog? Too bad. Do you think any cable or sat box is going to do a HDCP handshake with a Linux box? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, its understandable they want to increase the market share. Too bad it's the wrong part.
- Grimdotdotdot, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8RTFA, idiot.
- youareretarded, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The above is some of the stupidest comments I've seen on digg!!
I'm sure it's Microsoft that wants drm and not the riaa because we all know that the riaa loves give out its content completely unrestricted!
Please go back to using a mac, where they have no DRM! /sarcasm - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Windows Vista scared me so much that instead of waiting until I had to upgrade I changed to a different operating system. I've been a loyal Windows user since 3.0.
- klbclem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@mooninite
Tivo Series III (HD) has no TivoToGo features because any features on the system have to be approved by the people who make CableCARD. It is true that the CableCARD driver could be stolen off of the Tivo; but how many driver coders are going to buy at HD Tivo if they can't use one of the best features of Tivo, TivoToGo just to steal the drivers to linux?
If the drivers are stolen (copied from a tivo device) they can easily be ported to windows, OSX or any form of *nix. - theorb77, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@LosingTheFight
Heh. I kept reading your reply trying to figure out why the hell Alcoholics Anonymous would get involved in intellectual property rights issues.
It's too damn early.
PS: Hell, stupid reply button. Oh well, just digg me down or whatever, - Massif, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thanks for the info. I didn't realize that.
I live in Canada so I wonder if the rules and local stations are different here. It wouldn't be worth buying on if the only channels I got in HD were truly my "local" stations. I've e-mailed my cable provider. Hopefully they will give me a straight answer. - warble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hmm..
Cable -> Digital Cable Box -> Analog Signal -> PC -> network
Sure, you can't change channels, but it works. - archer75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This has nothing to do with Microsoft. And using linux solves absolutely nothing. You can still can't get around this DRM at all. Cable companies aren't going to give linux users a cable card. The MPAA isn't going to remove DRM from HD-DVD or Blueray just for linux users.
If anything linux users are more screwed as they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of every playing any of this content. Where as the support for it is in windows and soon to be OSX. - fjc8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Does anyone have any links to using your cable box with Firewire? I currently have a 8300HD and wouldn't mind switching to something nicer.
- tsteiner, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3To the above comments, its funny how I'm using my pcHDTV card (http://www.pchdtv.com/) and MythTV to watch, record, etc DRM free HDTV from my cable feed, all in Linux. I don't have any equipment from the cable company at all!
- Erez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2it's total *****, and i fear no one :D
i have no prob paying my my dvds cds games cable.. but once i did so i dont give a ***** whay anyone has to say.. i'll do what ever the ***** i want to do with it one way or another..
i hope those ***** ***** will take their heads out of their asses cause this kind of ***** wont help their goal.. it just pisses people off, and so the circle of piracy continues, and maybe even put people off from paying for stuff they are paying for today, as they cant use it as they please, and if i can't do what i want with what i paid for.. *****.. i'll get it for free and do what i want with it then.. and in 10 years time when the net will take over a nice chunk out of TV viewing we'll see how much they'll like that.. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Andy.D:
I use byond tv.. it has a built in webserver and is cool for watching streaming tv or previously recorded vids..
or vlc also streams well but can be a bit more complicated to set up. - tecmec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You _could_ change channels with an IR blaster, but that's not the problem. Your signal wont be HD
- Massif, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The pcHDTV card supports unencrypted QAM 64 and QAM 256 Cable signals. I guess your cable provider doesn't encrypt their signals, but many providers do. I wonder if my cable company would tell me whether they do or not...
- iamhrh, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Wow. Hint: Linux will never, ever, ever (go ahead and keep repeating that in your head) have Cable Card Support.
Want digital TV in your linux box? You have one option with cable: pick one of the few DTV boxes that have firewire output, hope to god its output resembles something reliable, and fire up mythTV. -
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