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- cquinnd, on 05/01/2008, -7/+35Yes, there are, but for companies migrating thru Windows Server versions (2003 and 2008) Vista offers a better set of management and deployment features than previous versions of windows... And for many companies it is an easier decision to migrate upward (if at all) than to migrate to another platform entirely.
- wivern, on 05/01/2008, -2/+30From the article:
"It will become more difficult to stick with Windows XP when top-tier computer makers pull it off their operating system lists on June 30, the date Microsoft has mandated that manufacturers stop offering it on new PCs. The company will also yank XP from retail sales then."
The article completely skips over downgrade rights, which says that if you bought a Vista Business or Ultimate license, you're still free and clear to use XP for as long as you want. Working in an enterprise environment, that's exactly what my workplace has decided to do. - sinurgy, on 05/01/2008, -18/+42I remember when "everyone" hated XP just as I'm sure X amount of years from now it'll be "I'm not giving up my beloved Vista!". Not because resistance is futile but because eventually the knee jerkers will stop with the dramatics and actually give Vista an honest try. I've been using it for over a year now and other than the first month when I had to learn the ins and outs, I have not missed XP. Show me a Vista hater and I'll show you someone who hasn't spent much time actually using the OS.
- Reziarfg, on 05/01/2008, -4/+28Ho ho ho look at me, I'm a snobby Mac user.
*raises monocle* - Senn, on 05/01/2008, -17/+40There are options other than Microsoft, you know..
- Sogui, on 05/01/2008, -10/+30I love all the people out here who suggest Mac or Linux like it's never been brought up before.
I could go over 1000 reasons as to why they wouldn't work in a large corporate system, but the easiest reason is simply because 99% of employees come in with free built-in Windows training, whereas any other OS would require a nasty tangle of training and technical issues. Nothing like spending millions to train thousands of employees to barely understand an OS they've never used before. - RogerStrong, on 05/01/2008, -2/+22For business use? Nope.
- trancemin, on 05/01/2008, -5/+19I'm at analyst at one of Forrester's competitors. These guys just say something controversial to get press. 9 out of 10 times they're wrong and everyone forgets. That one time the individual is right everyone remembers and the inquiries, business and fame start rolling in.
- Giga, on 05/01/2008, -1/+14I'm curious how the "worst of all" flaw is "boring". I would like to get my work done; I don't care about viruses eating my work, just as long as the OS keeps me entertained.
- badassninja, on 05/01/2008, -3/+16Change? Hardly Change is Linux or Mac. Microsoft should ditch windows all together and make a whole new OS from the ground up. They have the name so people would join them.
- StaticThunder, on 05/01/2008, -9/+21Right, and Vista is different how?
(Yes, I know its a troll) - Hangly, on 05/01/2008, -5/+16You don't remember that because it didn't happen. When IT departments were finally able to exhcange 95/98 for an NT-based desktop they wept for joy. I actually WAS there.
We're weeping again now, but not for the same reasons. - WTFppl, on 05/01/2008, -1/+10Some of us just don't care to report!
- CC440, on 05/01/2008, -5/+14Driver errors are exciting! Popups are hysterical fun!
- Hangly, on 05/01/2008, -1/+10Linux, bitches!
- badassninja, on 05/01/2008, -8/+17Everyone who uses MS's software is a beta tester.
- pintomp3, on 05/01/2008, -3/+11quite a stretch there, you might have broken your funny bone in the process.
- djbon2112, on 05/01/2008, -0/+8Except that that requires them replacing all their current thin-client or otherwise machines with Macs, and spending a ***** of money in the process, only to use the same OS and face the EXACT same problems (XP's life ending).
- rmxz, on 05/01/2008, -0/+8You guys should publish a list of Forrester's amazingly and laughably wrong predictions. It is indeed amazing how wrong they are.
If CEO's had a quick&easy place to see how inaccurate they were, you'd have one less competitor to worry about.
(though depending on who you are, you might fear they'd do the same to you) - Neorio, on 05/01/2008, -2/+10MacOS X is hardly a good for businesses because you're chained to their hardware - and Apple just isn't set up to handle enterprise hardware and software support and deployment it would appear (except for schools).
A certified enterprise Linux desktop with compliant hardware would be the next best alternative. - newbill123, on 05/01/2008, -3/+11I see three types of IT departments:
1) conservative -- we'll consider making changes only after 18 months of analysis and study.
2) cutting edge -- quick to focus on new tech as the answer to problems.
3) insane -- no coherent plan other than what the CEO's brother in law reads in People
The insane (type three) will focus on what way the surface currents are flowing rather than their needs; right now the consensus doesn't favor Vista but with a big marketing campaign it could swing that way in 3-6 months.
The cutting edge (type two) will inevitably move to Vista once vendors have been strong armed to move to Vista. They are second or third on the totem pole, but their fate is largely decided by what requirements the tech they pick dictate.
The conservative (type one) won't rule out Vista, but it's more likely that Service Pack 1 for Windows 7 will be on the market before they have the full analysis of Vista's pros and cons and a rough draft of a migration strategy. Until then it's more likely Vista will be deployed only in areas it can't be avoided. - Sogui, on 05/01/2008, -2/+10Yea because for business, money is never a concern... PS MINI IS NOT A "Best Cheap Computer", and why would you want to bundle OS's in a company?
It seems like Digg has very little understanding of the corporate world, everyone coming into a company should have experience with windows and office... forcing them to relearn with a Mac or Linux would create a training and technical nightmare, bundling under bootcamp would make virtually no sense as offices have been fine with Windows for years, last thing you need to do is have them shell out extra $$$ for a bootcamp Mac.
Mac's are not corporate computers, not ever the ridiculous mac ads will contest that. - inactive, on 05/01/2008, -2/+10No joke - we are stuck on Windows 2000 here at one of the big UK Banks. Seriously.
- Smegzor, on 05/01/2008, -1/+8Replace the user. Its clearly incompatible with the OS.
- specialK16, on 05/01/2008, -1/+8For use in business? Never!
- Smegzor, on 05/01/2008, -1/+8I started around 1980 with an Apple II and a ZX81 then moved on to a ZX Spectrum (which I programmed in Z80 machine code). Later I got an Atari 800. A few years later I got my first pc an 88XT which only ran DOS. Windows was not out at this time. I played around with 8088 machine code, but pretty soon got into the high level language GW Basic (woo hoo!). After that I got a 286 then a 386 and started programming in Turbo Pascal 5.5 which I learned in a single weekend prior to starting my first job programming in it.
There's a lot more history, but yes I can handle batch files. These days I script in PHP and Python. Nobody uses batch files these days. Bash scripting PWNS it anyway.
I think you just got OWNED. :D - WayOfTheIronPaw, on 05/01/2008, -0/+7Also, if you switch to OS X, you have to throw away all your existing PCs. With Linux, you get to keep your hardware.
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -4/+10Linux 'Inevitable' For Enterprises, say practical thinking society.
- badassninja, on 05/01/2008, -9/+15They might as well named this " Enterprises will inevitable be Microsoft's Bitch for the rest of time. "
- init100, on 05/01/2008, -0/+6A Forrester competitor? Who can that be, Gartner Group? Then the same (9/10 wrong, 1/10 right) applies to you.
- Tenoq, on 05/01/2008, -3/+9Well I submit that many home users actually hate Vista. Every day I field calls and visits from customers and clients with gripes about Vista. Sometimes it's really hard to bite my tongue and not call them a ***** moron for not asking someone who KNOWS about computers before buying craptastic Dell PC, preloaded with Vista nonsense.
"But Harvey Norman said you couldn't get a computer with XP anymore."
"And you believed a salesman at Harvey Norman, rather than a computer tech?" *facepalm* - oDGuardian, on 05/01/2008, -7/+13"You can't count on Windows 7 being perfect,"
Especially if Vista is working like a certified piece of ***** as it is now. - inactive, on 05/01/2008, -8/+14I'm not unsatisfied with its performance, I dislike its complexity. It leaves a sour taste in my mouth whenever I use it. I've spent a fair amount of time with Vista, and I just don't like it.
- KMartSheriff, on 05/01/2008, -17/+22Thank you! I am so tired of this "Vista is crap, XP rocks!" *****. Stop spreading FUD already. Vista (post SP1) works perfectly. Here's a tip too, stop trying to ***** run it on a 9 year old computer. You idiots are going to move to Vista someday anyway.
- SteelChicken, on 05/01/2008, -0/+5our company takes 2-3 years to do anything and Vista isn't even on the radar.
im going with "out of touch with reality for $1000 Alex" - prince87x, on 05/01/2008, -2/+7While I went for the Ultimate and know this is about the enterprise edition... I would just like add that I moved to Vista and when I use my older computer with XP I just miss so many of the new Vista features. There are quite a few that you will learn and love.
- Ossuary, on 05/01/2008, -0/+5Ha! Agreed.
However, until we have zero viable options, we will not install Vista on any large quantity of systems. I am not saying we will not EVER do it, but for now and for the next year or so it will not be on our systems.
If damned Sun would get the OOG in gear to bypass that damnable Office2007 format issue, then we might not be looking more and more in a linux direction... - jgtg32a, on 05/01/2008, -0/+5I find viruses eating my work randomly more entertaining than any eye candy.
- vincentweber, on 05/01/2008, -0/+5Well if you want to destroy your enterprise than switching to Vista is indeed inevitable.
- craigbeat, on 05/01/2008, -4/+9We have been moving to Macs in work lately, as everyone was getting sick of MS. Our Dell boxes are running various Linux flavours, but most of our designers are still using Windows.
Everything was going well, until a couple of our Macs started having problems - total hard drive failure on one, back light failure on another, broken plastic on yet another. Apple support is shocking - as a business, we cannot get next day repair - even though there is an Apple repair centre a stones throw from our office. I wish Apple could learn from Dell on this one.
Oh, and just one other thing, Mac OSX is not as good as everyone makes out - the interface is annoying when using multiple monitors, for example. - jellygraph, on 05/01/2008, -2/+7Install Xandros, rename Firefox to Internet Explorer and use the IE icon instead, do the same for OpenOffice icons (or use cross-over office) and then those "99%" of employees won't be able to tell the difference.
To be honest tho, tho 99% of users are not doing anything complex with their work machines. They just want the apps, so this sort of argument is nonsense. And Vista has changed the UI from the previous version of XP so drastically that in many ways it is more different than other OS's, so that's another failed argument. Hence dugg down - z0mbie2099, on 05/01/2008, -1/+5Inevitably clueless. Then why Windows 7?
- robthom, on 05/01/2008, -3/+7Lol, what a joke.
Was that a real article or some kind of blog?
No compelling arguments that support Vista being inevitable, just a bizarrely high instance of the repetition of the phrase "vista is inevitable".
WTF? Buried. - brundlefly76, on 05/01/2008, -1/+5Vista definitely had more than its fare share of problems at launch, and Microsoft took way too long to fix them, but Vista haters have been so busy shouting about it they havent really recognized that not only are all of the big issues fixed, but Vista is actually a better OS at this point and definitely more secure than XP - I would even say more stable.
One exception I would agree is that gamers will definitely see better performance under XP, but this post is referring to enterprise.
I actually prefer Vista for gaming now as stuff like returning from ALT_TAB is much more reilable when gaming then it was under XP. If you ALT-TAB'd under XP it was anyone's guess whether you would ever get back to your game. - wigren, on 05/01/2008, -0/+4We run on Windows 95. Seriously.
- StaticThunder, on 05/01/2008, -1/+5It was a troll, and an obvious one. You can't take them seriously.
- Cherubim, on 05/01/2008, -0/+4Inevitable ? Sure, it's inevitable that Vista will be tossed aside like the sick piece of rubbish that it should be. Enterprises require fault tolerant and secure operating systems that don't cost a bomb to integrate. Vista fails on all these fronts and positively stinks in the area of data security. Microsoft should give up on Vista completely and rework XP with a newer kernel.
- sodoh, on 05/01/2008, -2/+6Ignoring the percentage value I still think you are wrong. This may of been true many years ago when Operating systems were still young but that is no longer the case. Unless they are doing development all most users need to know is what do I click to launch the application I will be using.
Mail / Office apps really don't vary that much from each other. If you have to spend a lot of training to get someone to understand to use a Mac/Linux office suite vs windows then they are probably not worth hiring anyway. - masamunecyrus, on 05/01/2008, -1/+5Well, eventually we win. In the meantime, we're pretty *****, though... At least in the OS or next-gen DVD industries.
- Smegzor, on 05/01/2008, -4/+8Vista is insecure, archaic, and, worst of all, boring. Oh wait..
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