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- jiggleflop, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Dude, I've been there recently, Vietnam is on its way to joining the rest of the world. The people are wonderful, and the investors are pouring in. They have McDonalds, KFC, Texas BBQ, and major hotel chains. Don't start thinking of Vietnam as being like in a "Chuck Noris movie" There is some corruption in law enforcement, but if you want to see real pitiful corrruption and lack of human rights, you just need to visit some places in Mexico.
The war is over, being hateful isn't helping anyone. - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Just want to make one somewhat unrelated point...
Just because China is not a Democracy does not make it Communist. That word no longer applies. People earn wages, own businesses, and no longer have food rations.
China's main problem right now is corruption in local governments. One big issue is that local officials are stealing property from residents on a massive scale. - EndofEternity, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12What world do you live in? Cold War is over! Hello!
It's not like freedom are limited in America. Homosexuals can't get married because the whole 'family value' thing. People can't take drugs cause fundies like to decide for other whats wrong and whats right. Athiests are discrimnated on a national level.
I love your respect for political plurality. Just shows how right wingers are no better than fascists.
A slap on the face? What where you doing in Vietnam in the first place? It's not for you to decide how they govern themslves. It's you problem you decided to support france rather than cooperate with Ho Chi Minh after WWII. What about all the Vietnamese you Americans killed? Agent Organge anyone? Lets no even talk about how you guys helped Pol Pot come to power.
***** conservatives.... - EndofEternity, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Whats your point? It's not like you can apply capital punishment to children in the USA. And don't even get me started about how 'family values' are imposed in the USA.
At least there is some improvement in Vietnam.... - iSlayer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Please tell me where in this article did it talk about war, communism or even capital punishment?! This is not a bloody forums where you debate back and forth on an article that has nothing to do with it. ByteGuerilla you know nothing about Vietnam so dont state its a "particularly bad nation" when you clearly havent been there!
This was about IT finally going forward, the nerds debating back and forth on this clearly have NO LIFE! thinking they know more than the rest. Total f*cking BS! - mquannie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@delirium
Why cant these idiots ***** understand that speaking against them doesnt make someone a Communist, speaking against Bush doesnt make someone a terrorists. The world is not binary unless you are enclosed by a metal chassis.
FYI, 2 of my uncles were sent to concentration camp after the war and they later fled by boats, my grandfather was imprisoned 4 years for preaching his religious beliefs, my grandmother was accused of being a 'capitalist' for selling goods. So I think I have every ***** right to criticize them, because they're not represenative of my family members who contributed and suffered during the war. As much as I hate the Communist, I also hate those people who think mistreatment by the Communist is an excuse for bitching the next 30 years. - mathie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The IT workforce in Vietnam will need to improve their English skills, which is the most challenging problem in my opinion right now.
- oblivinated, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@mquannie
Have some respect for your veterans. Many of them didn't choose to go to Vietnam, most of them were drafted. They gave up their lives and family to fight a war they not necessarily supported. They have every right to bitch about their government, so you should be the one shutting up. - kai05yang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2and who made u the party leader
- lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You do realize that "right" is one of two values, the other being "wrong?" Your opinion has neither, because it doesn't fit into the category of "facts." You can't be right about an opinion, you know. You don't have to agree with me, but that doesn't make your opinion a fact.
- delirium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ Hoogie7Dowser
Because Vietnamese isn't romanized anymore. Vietnamese the language has been romanized when the French colonized. It has an alphabet of 29 letters, each representing the different tones and pronounciation of the word. The reason it spells weirdly to Westerner is because Vietnamese is a tonal language. - leviathan3k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not only messed up in opinion, but seemingly unable to use the "reply" link.
You simply assume you "know" that communism is "wrong", yet don't actually back that up. - elmerfudd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I spent a lot of time in Vietnam in the mid-90s pursuing IT business opportunities. I was impressed by the very high literacy levels and the value and esteem of education, especially given the relative poverty and the fact that most education is private. Mathematics proficiency was also high. However, there are problems with establishing a Vietnamese export IT industry, mainly proficiency in English and the lack of a decent networking infrastructure. The VN govt doesn't make it especially easy, and it can a lot of consulting fees ;^) to get anything done.
- EndofEternity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@jav1231
Communism is as much evil by definition as is capitalism. So drop it. A large contingent of the Vietnamese population wanted indepedence, you guys decided to support colonial France and your asking why they went communist. Secondly, the South Vietnamese government never had mass support and it was held together by American aid. Once that ran out, it collapsed.
P.S. You are fascist, I was correct! :) - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"Both the war and the results we see now all seem to be born out of political expediency and at some level greed. I think the fact that western businesses are setting up shop there is a slap in the face to all who died in the war."
Well then maybe our ***** government shouldn't have sent our soldiers there in the first place then, you know. It's not like Vietnam was ***** invading us.
EndofEternity: "I love your respect for political plurality. Just shows how right wingers are no better than fascists."
I disagree! The Fascists are not welcome in the US. A right-winger, on the other hand, is a "patriot." - AeonTorpor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@DaffyDuck
Yeah, you know that's interesting because i say it can be called a communist nation. Why you might ask? Well, it might have something to do with the political party that's in power, which just so happens to be called the COMMUNIST PARTY!
A little excerpt here from the Wikipedia article on China, to PROVE my point.
"Nonetheless, the Communist Party still has absolute control over political aspects of society, and it continuously seeks to eradicate threats to its rule. Examples of this include the jailing of political opponents and journalists, general control of the press, regulation of religions and other non-party organizations, censorship of the press, literature and film, and suppression of independence/secessionist movements." - bchang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Isnt it the four dragons. South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore.
- kai05yang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1u wish
- kai05yang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1go play with ur trash can some where else
- kai05yang, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2ok i dont care who made up the four dragons *****, but they r wrong. there is only one dragon and that's China.
- ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I got no problem going in and pushing the communists out"
You'd have a hard time finding any Communists. - MrDan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'd of thought that Vietnam would of had a nice big fibre-optic network by now, I mean....we did dig the trenches for them *boom-tish*
- infra172, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They know that the internet was build on porn so they're preparing the Tit Offensive.
- bchang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Pretty much the only thing China does in Hong Kong is international relations everything else is done internally in Hong Kong.
- oblivinated, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And better lives will be given to those who have been suffering for ages.
- rouslan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1More American jobs will be outsourced...
- KineticFlow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hong Kong isn't really part of china. It may be politically, but noone thinks Hong Kong is part of China anymore. Don't think Alaska, it's a common mistake that many people make. Also.. the Four Dragons are South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Singapore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Tigers
- bchang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Economically Hong Kong is in charge of itself. Which is why there always doing better then China economically. Also because Hong Kong is such an Economic power house that China just leaves it alone.
- lpcustom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"I dont support the Communist but it's the job of people in VN to fight for their own freedom, the job of these old men living in the U.S is to apply for Welfare money and shut up"
Those old men and what they did/do are the reason you can stand on your soap box and say what you want. Whatever your politcal believes, don't put down the people who have actually been in war. You, your mouth, and that brain you think is so intelligent will get no where near the respect as someone who's actually been there. No matter how awful you think war is, I'm sure those "old men" feel its much worse. No matter how much freedom you have because of them, you don't have the right to put them down, period. - Opiate, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4RE all the right wing propaganda.. Libertarians support legalized drugs, gay marriage, anti-war and seperation of church and state (sorry abortion isn't favored life is life). We are arguably not right or left wing but are closer to the old school republican. You are right the republican party today is neocon/fascist but proper right is still around. So if you will refer to them by name not by wing, as much as i would like to call all lefties communists (as much as the ideologues in the Democrat party can be.. hi Hillary).
- spacemanspork, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yes. China didn't use to be a powerhouse back when people were talking about the "4 dragons". Recently though China has grown huge. Er yeah oops, sorry it was South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and Singapore. No HK or China.
- Hoogie7Dowser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why is vietnamese romanized so peculiarly. Nguyen? Why is there a "g"?
- kai05yang, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1cheap toys from vietnam that also can be used as booby traps. i dont think so.
- EndofEternity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@Opiate
You probably wont reply, but here goes....
Your statement on libertarian value is interesting, but to me it seems a bit forced. Let me give you an example, as far as I know before 9/11 most libertarianians supported the 'open borders' policy. But following 9/11, when supporting such a policy became political suicide, support for open borders was dropped. What evidence is there that the libertarian movement wont drop their support for drug legalization once the FOX news science team discovers that by smoking pot you become pedophile terrorist ('it's for the children' and 'it's against terrorism' seems to be the perfect ticket to get any law into power).
While I might be over simplifying things and my knowledge of American libertarian politics is subpar (but hey, I'd like to see you hold even a basic debate on Ukrainian politics), I can't seem to let go of the view that libertarian are more worried about economic liberalism and simply pay lip service to social liberalism. The fact the libertarian movement has closer ties to the republican party reenforces my view on this issue.
P.S. While I don't agree with many republican policies libertarian, I actually respect their views and believe that they bring much needed debate to the social liberalism movement. - delirium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ mquannie
Do you know what those people that fought for the South went through after the war? Did you live in Vietnam directly after the war to experience first hand what the communist did?
I don't think you did, so you have to ***** right to criticize what those people say about the Vietnamese government. - delirium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0^ I meant 'no' ***** right
- oblivinated, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1No. Hong Kong is part of China, and Japan is definately more of a dragon than Singapore.
- jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2lollerskates:
I disagree. Like everyone with a buttcheek I believe my opinion to be right both factually and philosophically. I'll entertain you on the logic front, however, with these facts.
If Vietnam is communist, and it is, and communism is wrong, and it is, then Vietnam is wrong. Okay, it's not perfect but it justifies my position to me. And since I'm who and what counts, I'm right. :) - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Ahh, seperation of church and state. That's a big topic for me and one that is turning me off the the Republican party lately. It's becoming more the Church party every day. I'd like to see Rudy Giuliani make a run for the presidency. I think he'd be a bit more like Regan.
- jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1 EndofEternity:
Sorry, if a large continguent of the population doesn't want to be communist, and by my definition communism is evil, yeah I got no problem going in and pushing the communists out. I decide, because I have the convenience of being right. You don't have to agree with me but it won't stop me from being right. - mquannie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Do you know which "old men" I'm talking about? These are Vietnameses living in the U.S that do nothing but criticize every move Vietnam makes. And you know what else they do? They write articles and appear on radio and TV to praise terrorists who bombed Vietnamese embassy in Southest Asian countries. Yes, they are ex-soldiers (and all of my uncles were fighting for South VN too but they moved on and worry about their new life). I dont criticize them for involving in a war, but I cant respect them for clinging to the past and portray everything negatively.
- ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I wouldn't exactly call that classic Communism.
- mquannie, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Agree. I think what we should do is to shut those idiots in Little Saigon and Eden, VA who keep protesting but accomplish nothing for over 30 years. It's one thing to express your opinion (or hatred and anger or whatever), but these same guys also turn violent against people who display VN flags or pic of Ho Chi Minh. I dont support the Communist but it's the job of people in VN to fight for their own freedom, the job of these old men living in the U.S is to apply for Welfare money and shut up
- AeonTorpor, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6WTF kind of comment is that? STFU
- minh, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1dao dao cong san !
- vamsi, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Country is making strong moves in tech. news at 11. Seriously, the article is severely lacking in substance. You could substitute vietnam for alabama, alaska, new foundland etc... Tech is the major money maker and everybody is on it. Show me when the potential translates into results and we can then discuss it on the front page.
- ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3"I would agree that Vietnam is a particularly bad nation. I don't think capital punishment is necessarily wrong, but there are a multitude of freedoms that are curtailed there. There seems to be a lot of head turning here on both sides, however. Many feel that a China-like approach is best. Western financial influences will eventually lead to freedom. Yeah, that's working great in China isn't it? Many on the Left take a "even Communists have a right to exist" approach; not surprising given their socialist ideals.
The truth is, there's not nearly enough "communism is evil" sentiment anymore. We shouldn't be doing business with Vietnam. We should have finished the war there. Both the war and the results we see now all seem to be born out of political expediency and at some level greed. I think the fact that western businesses are setting up shop there is a slap in the face to all who died in the war."
You've really no idea what you're talking about. - chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4Cue the piano music.
- jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -17/+6I would agree that Vietnam is a particularly bad nation. I don't think capital punishment is necessarily wrong, but there are a multitude of freedoms that are curtailed there. There seems to be a lot of head turning here on both sides, however. Many feel that a China-like approach is best. Western financial influences will eventually lead to freedom. Yeah, that's working great in China isn't it? Many on the Left take a "even Communists have a right to exist" approach; not surprising given their socialist ideals.
The truth is, there's not nearly enough "communism is evil" sentiment anymore. We shouldn't be doing business with Vietnam. We should have finished the war there. Both the war and the results we see now all seem to be born out of political expediency and at some level greed. I think the fact that western businesses are setting up shop there is a slap in the face to all who died in the war. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -18/+5"A geology technician, Luong oversees a classic communist regime that forbids public criticism of the Communist Party, strictly controls all media and heavily censors the Internet. Political trials are closed to the public and 29 different crimes are punishable by the death penalty—including fraud, corruption and drug trafficking. In November, 2005, the U.S. State Department’s International Religious Freedom Report designated Vietnam as one of eight “countries of particular concern.” "
from http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2006/edition_01-22-2006/Dictators_11_to_20 -
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