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readwriteweb.com — There are a bunch of other online video editing tools, and we'll take a brief look at some of them below (though again, don't expect Avid).

Who dugg this? Made popular Jun 19, 2007

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  • jawadde, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19don't worry : this is the same misery that prepress went through 15 years ago when everyone with an inkjet was churning out his own flyers & commercial paperwork. Then some 5 years ago everyone with Pagemill was suddenly a webMASTER. Now it's video. Give it some time : like the prepress and the webpages, people get bored after a while and realize they suck donkey balls at editing.
  • TheKingInYellow, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11what? i guess this is technically "video editing" but it's the lowest form of it and most likely scoffed at by the pros. i scoffed at it. kids today are lazy.
  • danboarder, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8In this case I think "Web 2.0" is referring to the fact that these video editing applications are hosted on the Internet rather than as applications on your hard drive.
  • meshman, on 10/11/2007, -8/+16This '2.0' garbage is really getting out of hand. Explain how a video editing site has anything to do with content rating (I said editing, not posting).
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11oh, and yes..before someone points out the obvious, I AM a bitter "pro" who now has to wade and fight through crowds of dopes who call themselves "editors" as a result of garbage like this.
  • venicerocco, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9These tools are great. The democratization of creativity benefits all of us as consumers, professionals and creators. It does;t lower the bar, it enables everyone to develop new skills. As a professional film and video editor I encourage young people to embrace these tools because it will keep me on my toes. I am not afraid of competing with the new generation who have free access to these kinds of design and story telling tools. In fact, social networking sites are more of a threat to creative professionals anyway because we all know it's about who you know, not what...
  • JustAZombie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Yeah, but making a dumb video for a few friends is exactly what it's FOR. Just because it's not aimed at the same audience Final Cut is doesn't mean it's a dumb idea.
  • tgilber, on 10/18/2007, -1/+6Sure... I'll drop $1000 so that I can wade through 100+ features I'll never use so that I can trim the deadspace between a few clips I'm splicing together for a friend.

    It's Windows Movie Maker / iMovie for the web, which is fine, great. They're not aspiring to be anything more than that. Right tool for the job/context.
  • arunforce, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8I don't think the 'Web 2.0' is actually anything more than an everyday site, it's just a hype term.
  • scrimaxinc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5@cromag

    All I'm saying is that I've seen awesome movies made with iMovie.....and complete trash made with avid/final cut. GOOD doesn't always mean well-edited....or high res....or whatever. What I mean by "GOOD" is original, quality stuff that inspires thought, evokes emotion, etc. If your judging media quality on the editing tools that are used, or even the quality of the editing and/or medium, then I think you're missing a huge part of the picture.

    If you're good at what you do, then it doesn't matter what tools are available or who has them....

    (oh and THANKS for permission to reply)
  • sum1randum, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5If yours has a flat top I'd go talk to a doctor
  • undetected, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4All these complaints from the pros remind me of the complaints when the first digital cameras came out. "They're junk! With my professional SLR, I get the equivalent of a gazillion 'pixels'."

    Calm down. Nobody's going to claim they are video editing pros cause they use jumpcut.com.
  • venicerocco, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Maybe Avid Free DV? http://www.avid.com/products/freedv/index.asp
  • venicerocco, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The one consistent thing about technology is that it constantly evolves (very quickly). You're right about everything ion your post (file sizes, rendering etc.) but I couldn't help but think about all the film editors in the early 1980's groaning about this new gimmick like Editdroid and this "non-linear thing" about how you could NEVER work without cutting the film etc...

    Just want to say, never write off technology. Do you think theater producers thought film would catch on? I bet they thought it was retarded too. It's early days.
  • tgilber, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@meshman: I'm confused... are you saying that "Web 2.0" == "content rating"? That's a pretty narrow view of the term, and I wouldn't consider content rating to even be the most significant aspect of "web 2.0".
  • climbon321, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Retarded for someone like you and me yes (6 years in the industry FCP, Avid, Discreet *Edit) but for most of the people on the internet who want to put together a quick things of their friends and don't have the money/time to learn a pro editing suite, this is a helpful guide.
  • joshutk, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5@climbon321: Premier Pro isn't bad at all, especially what I've used of the CS3 Beta. Granted, it's not as powerful as Avid or even FCP, but it is a decent NLE that is very capable of the kind of editing required on a day-to-day basis. To say it's so far behind that "it isn't even funny" is a bit drastic. It's a good, cheap solution for the "Pro-Sumer" market.
  • tgilber, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7@cromag: That's rather presumptuous... you're a pro because you're willing/able to spend several thousand dollars on software and equipment? Or are you a pro because you use software/equipment with 10x the features of the aforementioned video editing apps?

    To be pedantic, you're a pro only because someone is willing to pay your for your services, which in reality leaves a pretty wide range in regards to quality or merit.

    If you're having to wade through all of these "dopes" I'd be hesitant to consider you that much different from an amateur. I certainly would check the high horse at the door, if I was you.
  • dinostabOMG, on 10/18/2007, -4/+7Sigh. Get some editing software, like Final Cut or Premier.
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+10Greattttt....more "idiot proof" tools in the hands of idiots.

    There is a direct corelation between the steady lowering-of-the-quality-bar in entertainment media and the amateur user's access to these tools.

    Leave it to the pros, please.
  • jake8689, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7***** Vegas,
    Final Cut all the way, woot
  • scrimaxinc, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5"I've been using avid for 47 years and FCP for 93. I was the first person to ever have two audio tracks playing simultaneously in the same video..."

    I say that all of you pros are getting waaaay too worked up about nothing. People don't want media that looks like *****. Period. WE STILL LOVE YOU. "In my day...." - spare me. If you're that concerned about losing work, you're probably not that good at what you do.
  • venicerocco, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Nah, I welcome the competition. For me it's no different than cinematography. You can "shoot a feature" on a cell phone if you want, or shoot on a $150 mini DV camcorder. Has it lowered the bar? Of course not!
  • Flamekebab, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2To be honest, whilst it's a novel concept, to me it seems fairly retarded to edit video online.
    Not because the tools suck, I've not tried them and can't comment, but because, at least in the UK, upload speeds are awful.
    I mean, unless it's really low res video and only short clips, you'd be there for ages uploading and whilst I don't imagine most people own miniDV camcorders (something like 15GB a tape, or was it 13.5?) but even the video straight off my digicam is several megs per video.
    With an upload speed of 256kbps, that's not going to be fun.
  • climbon321, on 10/18/2007, -4/+6Premiere? Adobe is leading the pack with other post production software like After Effects and Photoshop, but so far behind Final Cut Pro and Avid when it comes to editing it's not even funny. You can use it to learn the basics of non-linear editing, but then leave it behind very quickly.
  • harmonix, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6This is retarded!

    Sure, if you make a dumb video for a few friends this MIGHT be ok, but any professional (myself included) knows that no on line tool can deal with the file size, resolution issues, and rendering times that a real editing suite real with.

    I use Final Cut, and Avid (depending on the project) adn I've used both of them for years (10 years on the avid and I bought the first copu of FCP the day it was relased). I'e watched these titles get better and better and I can't help but think that no online toll will ever come close.

    It is just a dumb idea.
  • ATH025, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Looks like half of a dog bone to me.
  • ptFoe, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Virtual Dub owns all you mofos.
  • venicerocco, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Hopefully he took off to go and help raise the standards...
  • scrimaxinc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2edit - bury
  • rwallen, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7Is that a penis on the wall behind Avril?
    http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/mojiti-spots.jpg
  • srg13, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Video editing on the internet at the moment is pretty stupid.

    Maybe it'd be OK for making a short video intended solely for internet distribution on Youtube, Metacafe etc. but otherwise, I can't see this going anywhere (at least for the time being)
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4Nice cliche fest.

    "People don't want media that looks like *****"

    Let me assume you are a professional at NOTHING, because last time I checked there was an absolute culture of ***** in all directions.

    I'm concerned about losing work, not because I'm not GOOD, but because people don't know what good is anymore. GOOD is not the word of the day, GOOD ENOUGH is. Do you think the next gen of video editors raised on ***** like this are going to have higher standards or lower standards?? Then the next question is, are they going to have a need for anyone of a higher standard? No need for a Ferrari when most can't tell the difference between that and a Hyundai.

    I'm done..you can reply, but I won't see it. LATER.
  • sark666, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@venicerocco

    Thank you, didn't know a free version of avid existed. It might fit the bill just nicely. Although the learning curve might still be fairly steep, but the output should be worth it in the end.
  • macslut, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2tgilber, that's a really funny response. You missed the most important point. Maybe, just maybe Cromag is a pro because he invested *time* in learning how to edit (not just how to use the software) and has *talent* as well as *experience* and *skill*. As opposed to some spoiled wannabe who buys a camera, calls themselves a vlogger and whines about how "video is hard".
  • bilco, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1www.media-convert.com is a very handy URL
  • sark666, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I was hoping one of these would be just what I need but I don't think so. I need a program just to put text on a mainly blank screen. Maybe a picture or two. But the majority of it would be made up of text and audio. Think like a cooperate video etc. Yes, powerpoint fits the bill technically, but looks amateur imho. I want it simple but looking professional. With slow fades, subtle zooming of text, where I can control the acceleration/slow down of zooming/moving text etc. Think of when you see a commercial made of primarily of text.

    So I wouldn't be doing any green screening, crazy compositing. Just text, audio, maybe a pic or two but want it to look good. Professional but simple.

    Anyone know a program that would fit the bill?
  • venicerocco, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Talk about missing the point....
  • kreo20, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0I prefer Adobe production studio cs3 and using maxon cinema 4d for 3d textures and modelling...wut do u ppl prefer usin?
  • dinostabOMG, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Screens full of text in a video look amateur. Make a website, pamphlet, hand-out, projector sheet, whatever - but not a video full of text. The only thing in video that's more tedious than text is some jackass on YouTube who sees fit to point the camera at his ugly mug for 9 minutes and yak yak yaks.
  • fuckingusername, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1cool now I can see gay low rez youtube videos with effects
  • LintShaver, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1ive used online video editing software before and it was more of a headache the anything practical. For consumers wanting to edit there youtube submitions theres might be a future but Im sticking with Avid (and to a lesser extent Final Cut) for my broadcast video editing and finishing
  • digitally5, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0i think avril bit off the other end
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Cool man...you should have been at NAB a few months ago. It was full of iPod fanboyz, Blog Rockerz and Sneakernecks all claiming to have the same job title as you. The cream always rises to the top, but have fun wading through that sh-t storm the next time you have to get a job...

    Of course, the next time you have to get a job will be when the quality standards you held so dear aren't dear to the consumer anymore and therefore the work that is expected of you can be done by a teenager with no skills and a salary demand that is considerably LOWER than yours.

    Your take sounds hopeful and inspired...it's still awful though.
  • armourer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Great!
    I've always wanted to try these things...
    I'll comment back when my 150gb of uncompressed HD avi's finishes uploading
  • tgilber, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3Please... these tools allow you to splice clips and arrange them. "Lowest form?" It worked for Eisenstein. Get over yourself.
  • asssa3000, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2http://digg.com/software/Web_s_Best_17_Tools_to_Edit_Mix_and_Enhance_your_Videos
    check this one .
  • rdolishny, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1The days of driving into town to edit are drawing to a close! Er, in a few years...

    But I can see it now!!!
  • llamasonic, on 10/11/2007, -8/+1checkout vidavee's wordpress video plugin - http://wordpress.vidavee.com

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