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- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+36Is fiber cheaper? I would like to see fiber everywhere.
- gravis86, on 10/11/2007, -0/+20Not necessarily. The FiOS that Verizon uses is a tiny glass filament, floating in gel inside a plastic tube, which is then wrapped in Kevlar, and then given a final plastic casing. Then they strand about 50 to 100 together between the power poles, and many are even underground.
How do I know all this? I used to work for Verizon FiOS. - benitojuarez, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22The only problem is that fiber breaks a lot easier than copper wires.
- Lerxst99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17Tell me about it, last Monday, Norway's railroad company NSB, came to a grinding halt when all traffic control systems went down on a particular railroad line.
The reason? Someone cut and stole lengths of the cables which carries the traffic control signals along the railroad. These cables contains *a lot* of copper.
This is a rising problem in Europe, almost becoming epidemic. - iBenzin, on 10/11/2007, -5/+21Pennies After 1982 Dont Have As Much Copper...
- ssavoy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17I guess ringtones will now cost $3.50
- thebman990, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Actually, a few months ago, the treasury made a new rule that said it is actually illegal to melt down coinage because of the price of copper going through the roof.
- JeffS, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14Wait, so a pound of copper is heavier than a pound of iron? Or was that pounds of copper are easier to add? I'm confused. Must be too much lead in my diet.
- dorath, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14Part of the reason copper prices are 'rising' is because the value of the (US) dollar has fallen.
- insomniac8400, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15Or there is no problem since fiber is the backbone of the internet. Does the internet break easy? No.
- Chandon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8As far as the copper vs. FIOS thing, there's a good reason why people are complaining about Verizon cutting their copper when they get FIOS. Verizon, as a monopoly telecommunications carrier, is required to share the copper infrastructure with compeditors. Due to different classification, there is no such requirement for FIOS fiber. That means their monopoly on publicly funded infrastructure will be more complete than ever once they move everyone to FIOS - it'll be them, or cable internet, or nobody.
- flessa, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Their fiber network is great and ever expanding. This is really good news for them since alot of other cable competitiors, like their biggest competitor Comcast, are obviously still on copper. I have Verizon Fios Internet at 20mb/5mb and its excellent and way better than the cable companies in many ways.
- dojonz, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10I agree, My doctor says I don't get enough fiber.
- cobrabyte, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Well, hell .. if they offered FiOS to my house, I'd definitely opt for that. Until then, I guess I'm susceptible to copper thieves. Pfft.
- randomgeek, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7The promise of fiber internet connections?
- geoffpado, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Which is why he said pre-1982 pennies... which were mostly copper.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8"Pennies After 1982 Dont Have As Much Copper..."
Is that the name of a book? - Valnar300, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5If you had 1943 pennies you could just sell them to make a lot more money than by melting them down and sell ing the copper.
- mikm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I don't see how the cost of getting mining equipment to X, mining it, and bringing the raw materials back to earth could ever turn a profit with our current technology.
- CitizenBane, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Buried as "spam" because the first time I clicked on the link, spyware tried to install on my system.
Thank goodness for Avast! - Sawta, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I was wondering why telephone lines kept going down by my house!
And as for the related story "They could be charged with “destroying major public national security projects” and could face the death sentence." Now THAT is taking some serious action to a mounting problem. - guyinthechair, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Pre 1982 pennies were mostly Copper, while today they are mostly Zinc.
- benitojuarez, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8meh, i get internet outages about once every 2 months here.
- simpleid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Fios is going to catch on definitely, much better! but 15/2 is reasonably better for me. :-) $49/mo, better than timwarners more expensive and slower.
- Majician, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3......sigh......You really need to go back to school. A POUND of copper weighs the same as A POUND of iron.
- dhughes, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I never noticed, I use Linux ;)
- HayString, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Idk, if you were able to get copper from 1943 pennies then I'd think you'd be onto something much more lucrative than selling scrap metal
- TheSmiddy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3no, a pound of copper takes up less space than a pound of iron.
ie copper is more dense than iron. - Error601, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2No, what he's incorrectly talking about is exchange rate and not value of the currency. The metal prices have mostly to do with economic expansion in China and India.
- egrumling, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Unshielded twisted pair (Verizon copper) cannot carry anywhere near the bandwidth of Coaxial cable (Comcast copper). Most cable companies have been stringing fiber for the last 15 years (more time than most telco local loops), and many are now "passive coax," where the fiber optic cable runs right to your block, with no amplifiers. This is every bit as useful as Verizon FiOS, and may be even better in some ways. For the most part, the cable companies' reputation is due to poor training and poor policies. Not to mention @Home corporation.
- Battlecry, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Time to start mining those asteroids out in the belt. Or the moon, even.
- Error601, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2The CPI doesn't support your theory.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I was visiting a client's office list month (which is a condo that he uses as a showroom) and he and all of his neighbors had had all of the copper tubing from their air conditioning units stolen the night before. It seems that everyone found out about it at roughly the same time.
- kingsaliva, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2The CPI only applies if you do not need food, energy, or housing.
- bobbyi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I'm imagining a beowulf cluster of them.
- ScornedPatriot, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4I really don't care about Verizon's use of copper, but damnit, this needs to stop! My 40 cal bullets have already doubled in price since last year. Going make us gun owners broke! Yeah, that's it isn't it you crazy liberal moontards, you want to make us gun owners broke, yeah, that's it...
/sarcasm - dhughes, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1 Canadian pennies were 98% copper from 1942 to 1996, hmmmm. I wonder if I gave people in the US some ideas. Hands off our pennies!
- kidvicious1973, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You can carry way more data on a single strand of fiber than on a copper cable. With today's wdm technology It is just not cost effective to bury anymore cable. There is still a lot of dark fiber in the ground. As to other companies not having access to it, let them bury there own, they have had plenty of time to do so.
- bjnord, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1A useful related site is http://www.coinflation.com/ which shows you how overvalued a given year coin is relative to metal prices. Nickels and pre-1982 pennies are the ones that are worth more for the metal than their face value.
- Tabou, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2You can make around $1.84/lb with the newer pennies.
- Grayfox777, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1That's true, but it's the entire problem! There are so many off-Earth resources available, but it's too expensive to get them! Something has to be done about it.
- flessa, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Around here, Comcast uses all Coaxial cable and no fiber. Also Verizon runs the fiber directly to your home with an optical network terminal. That way there is no where down the line for a bottleneck. My Verizon installer was knowledgeable, helpful, and friendly, certainly better than any cable guy I have ever met.
- jmblur, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Newer pennies are copper plated Zinc to save cost.
Of course, zinc prices are through the roof too (about $1.70/lb currently on LME), so even current pennies cost as much or more in raw material than they're valued at. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Which would still be better in most areas since your choices are cable internet (from a single provider) or nothing.
- Buelldozer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yup. My Kubuntu box didn't even hiccup. Yay for FF and Kubuntu. :-D
- avenu420, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1In my city, the theft of copper coils on conditioners has been rising rapidly. Business owners mostly, now people are putting security fences around their AC units (for the ones not on top of buildings).
- Bootes, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Uhm no he wouldn't. Even though new users can't order it, 30/5 is still cheaper than 50/5 in NY.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1How many times does this need to be said? We get it. Enough already.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I'm pretty sure he meant gasoline for all that driving to the bank and the metal scrap foundry.
Oh, and thanks for stating the whole "new pennies have almost no copper"...only about the 10th time someone has said that. -
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