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- solanum, on 10/12/2007, -19/+84actually usenet is a network and bitorrent is a protocol.. so its okay to say "the usenet" (since the protocol is snmp but the network is called the usenet) in bittorrent a network is called a swarm so you can say i'm downloading the new hak.5 from a bittorrent swarm.
i hate smart-asses. ;) - captaindan, on 10/12/2007, -8/+47SNMP? I think you mean NNTP.
- kevbryant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+38this is crap. why can't the industry understand. I have "a friend" who uses newsgroups. "He" pays a subscription fee to a nzb provider, and pays a monthly fee for access to "the usenet". now what does this mean? it means that even people who are called pirates are WILLING to pay for a service that provides reasonable pricing and CHOICE. driven by demand and request, and not dominated by a drm technology that impedes the ability to listen or watch content on the medium of their choice. these stupid organizations need to take a lesson away from their so called "discovery" of usenet. idiots, realize the model and present a compelling alternative, and you get subscibers.
- CaptainFuture, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29Look, I think we can all agree here that the Usenet does NOT exist, so there's NOTHING to worry about for the MPAA, RIAA and whatever AA's have you. It's made up. P2P networks is where the hawt action is.
- bytefoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25*waves fingers*
You didn't see any USENET.
*disappears into the shadows* - diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21hey, welcome to the warez scene. it sounds like you need a little introduction. of course we can't go back and trace all the hand to hand and private network exchanges that went on but certainly usenet never was/will be the premiere location for pirates. usenet has never been a 'releasing grounds' for 0day or other warez. bulletin board systems was where it started (again not accounting for private networks, universities, etc) and files were pushed onto usenet by those with access. once people started evolving onto the internet ftp became the means of transfer and still is the number one place for warez affiliated groups to grow their goods. after the bbs gave way to higher speed connections, irc became the chatting grounds for people involved in these activities while still holding their files on ftp servers. today this remains the same and usenet is a secondary means to this. release groups do not sit on usenet, or p2p, or bittorrent. they could care less about the web and anything to do with any service outside their own private ftp servers. anyone with access to these that cares to have a little fame for themselves will setup their own ftp, or find an open anonymous ftp and store information there allowing others to grab it from irc by posting its location on a bot of some sort. if you have access to this but no means of which to setup your own ftp you most likely will seek gratification and noteriety by others means, typically by posting it on the web, usenet, or a torrent network. of course now with so many other mediums to be concerned about such as tv rips, movie rips, and audio rips people can do this all on their own with mediocre to great success and match or succeed quality provided by real warez groups. so this is why you will see 5 copies of the latest dvd release by various groups on various mediums (dvdr, xvid, etc, etc) with various qualities and standards. however, there are a strict set of guidelines setup by the real pirate crews which determines if a release is valid or nukable. well, this was just a short bit of information for anyone who cares, most of you should know this already or if you do not care then you are welcome to be brought up on a $200 charge by the RIAA or MPAA because you left a bittorrent seed open long enough for them to care or you uploaded something you rented from netflix to usenet. good luck and try not to get put in jail over it.
- commiecat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21"Little-used corner"? Just because the author was oblivious to Usenet before this article doesn't mean that it must be "little-used". One of Google's first major acquisitions (at least that I remember) was when they bought the entire Usenet archive and released it for public research under Google Groups. I've always preferred Usenet for my downloading simply because I got topped-out speeds from my ISP's server.
There are way too many groups, even if you just include *.binaries.*, to go after - and I think the only thing they could do would be to remove the groups from US-based servers (ISPs, premiums, etc...). Interesting article nonetheless - I certainly hope the MPAA doesn't cripple Usenet like they've done with more modern mediums. :(
-commiecat - partialinfinity, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Ok, WHO TALKED?
- gookie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17First rule of Usenet is you do not talk about Usenet.
All the members of Usenet Mayhem, please report this digg as "spam" or "lame" - ciaocibai, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21use-net. plain and simple.
- Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15You know, this is interesting. Leo mentioned this on TWiT just a couple of weeks ago, how Usenet is a massive piracy ring, and now the authorities are cracking down on it...........coincidence?
- HiddenPeanuts, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Is pirated software and movies really the biggest 'problem' on Usenet? How about the groups dedicated to child pornography? You don't see anybody going berserk over that. Priorities!
- ciaocibai, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17usenet? for piracy? this is so 10 years ago. hahahaha.
i love the usenet!
so when is the mpaa going to start chasing down bbn's? - Legion303, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"Indeed, she said the popularity of the Usenet as a place to swap illegal files has grown recently, perhaps because the music and movie industries have successfully shut down several distributors of peer-to-peer software, the most popular means of file swapping."
I've got news for you, lady: usenet has been a popular piracy arena for about the last 15 years, regardless of your ongoing game of Whack-A-Mole with P2P companies.
Also, misleading writeup. Usenet itself isn't being targeted, only companies that index specific instructions on how to obtain the warez (.nzb files tell your usenet client how to automatically search out the right files). It's still ***** and a possible misuse of the legal system, but it's not like usenet is about to be shut down forever. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I thought the first rule of fight club was that you do not talk about fight club...
- ScoTTeh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11With all the 'Well atleast I still have USENET' comments that follow every Bittorrent article about C&D's or people getting sued Its no supprise really.
- jnorris441, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"An obscure data network technology called the Usenet "
HAHAHAHAHA
yeah "the Usenet" is pretty obscure, no one knows about it - burke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11solanum,
That's definitely a valid point, and I completely agree, however, anyone that has ever used it, afaik, doesn't refer to it as 'the usenet', but rather just 'usenet'. I found it funny, at any rate. - shadus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13usenet has been the primo location for true pirates at long as I can remember... usenet was massive for warez back in 95-96 even and the more they've cracked down on file sharing networks the more popular it has become.
- SweetsGreen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You gotta love the adwords at the bottom for various news servers
- DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8whats fight club? ;)
- dominowrecker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7hehe whats funny to me is I keep hearing people say "it was only a matter of time before they found out about usenet"
Please they have known about it all along. The problem is they dont have any real targets. Even going after these indexing sites (which is a somewhat new thing) may prove difficult for them, cause they dont have any files on their servers. And a huge amount of stuff being indexed is legit, and free to download.
Even going after people who upload files to usenet will be very difficult, cause they would have to go through some interesting channels and basically invade privacy to see who is uploading what. By contrast when you use "the BT", or "the kazzaa" you are publicly sharing files. You are allowing them to see your information just by using the product. So its been easy for them to get IP's from p2p users.
If you ask me this will just raise awareness of usenet. Which in turn will mean that more people will use it in the end. And if they think it was hard to go after p2p people....wait till they try usenet. They will really have to bring it to the next level to stop what happens there. And the fallout from that could destroy them in the long run. - fdemmer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6more like 20 years.
http://www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html
http://www.livinginternet.com/u/ui.htm - s0ny, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8man you need to learn to use the return key and make some paragraphs! I got a headache 1/2 down your article!
- diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7the problem with all download/trading places is that once they become trackable by public means in a simple fashion they draw attention - the wrong kind of attention. such as usenet has in the last few years with the introduction of NZB files. it has now gone the way of p2p networks in that anyone can join in without any knowledge of what to do, just click a url or file and you're off. ftp and irc are still underground for the most part, though just like usenet they are simple to navigate and use, just not known to the general 'one-click' public.
if you ever have any ideas regarding simple usage of a pirating service, please do not act upon them as they only bring trouble and the ultimate demise of the service. - Nocturnal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6''A common misconception among people who use networks like these is that they're in a group that is above the law," said movie industry association spokeswoman Kori Bernards."
LOL @ the irony. MPAA thinking THEY'RE not above the law? In your dreams, Pedro, in your dreams. - TheBarge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Woohoo! In case others reading this are also Giganews customers. Here's a quote from their privacy policy:
"Giganews does not monitor or record your activities online. We do not monitor which newsgroups you post to or download from or what you put in news articles that you post." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7This is what happens when you have lame ass companys like usenext advertising free warez on every other site trying to attract every lamer and his brother. Overpriced bastards ruined it all....
PS: Usenet does not exist, and usenext is a scam. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Usenet has been around for ages--I'm suprised it took them that long to realize that....
- revoked, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6this is not the warez network you are looking for, move along
- Kitsune818, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9There is no d sound, but a z sound. Kind of like "Hey Youz guys"... it's "yooz-net".
I've never heard it any other way. Although, my father disagrees with me on the pronounciation of "ethernet".
Didn't Usenet get it's name from UUCP?? Not sure where I got that from.. might be total BS. I remember 'back in the day' a lot of poeple used UUCP to get email and news, or to link their local BBS to Usenet (and then there was FidoNet) - whiteboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5quote ''A common misconception among people who use networks like these is that they're in a group that is above the law."
What an absurd statement for their lack of cracking down on usenet years ago. - zodieman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Sigh, this whole subject is moot. The cat is so out of the bag , it's not funny. All the MPAA and RIAA are doing are running after ghosts in the system. They can try and make an example out of the odd granny or teenager but in the end they will not be able to stop file sharing and the only people who benefit are the damn lawyers.
If they force the ISPs to block all sorts of internet ports or force the use proxies there will always be some kind of technology to circumvent it. Heck, the userbase will complain to the point where some ISPs will just say FU and keep on going.
To the MPAA and RIAA, I say good luck with your efforts but you will lose no matter what.
"Life will find a way"
Jeff Goldblum / Jurassic Park - d0ogie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5agree totally - this is 100% FUD. Usenet indexing sites got threatening letters, nothing more.
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7While I like your argument because it benefits me, the illegal downloader, it's no less flawed, biases aside. Are you telling me riots should not be illegal, because lots of people contribute to them?
If they really want to hit us hard, make us pay for downloading more than a certain amount of data each month. That's how cell phone companies keep us in check.
We know what we're doing is illegal, we just don't want to stop. Fact of the matter is, we will probably never have to worry, because as long as there is some smart persistent guy out there who doesn't want to pay for his copy of GodKnowsWhat, there will be a venue to get that content out to everyone else. I don't care what kind of DRM they implement.
It's all happened before, and it will all happen again.
If they really want to hit us, they should make us pay for downloading over a certain amount of content each month. Cell phone companies do the same thing to keep us in check. - eggo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And exactly how can they tell who is downloading from usenet*? The data is stored in too many servers, none of which the MP/RIAAs have access to logs from. (yet?)
*Which, by the way, does not exist... - Virtualtaco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I gotta keep them coming...
The usenet is everywhere, it surrounds us, penetrates us, binds us together...
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hatred, hatred leads to Kazza, Ares, and Limewire. - ovidius, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Well at least we still have IRC. Shh... don't tell anyone!
- multivariate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4One of the most intelligent things I have read on Digg. Unfortunately, media companies are so-locked into their existing models, that they are going to have to feel a lot of financial pain before they move to change.
- techgirl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It still amazes me how many people still don't know about the wealth of data available through Usenet. It's a shame that anti-piracy people feel the need to attack Usenet now as well. Pretty soon we won't be able to do anything on our computers, or on the internet, without someone spying on us from somewhere. We created a global internet, for people to share information and data, and now it seems all the government wants to do is keep people from using it to do so. As I've said in other comments, nowadays you have to pay for cable or satellite in order to get a decent TV signal in many areas, and pretty soon if you want to listen to music on the radio (remember when that was a given?!) you will have to pay for satellite radio to get it. The idea being that 'free' radio is slowly switching over to all talk, all the time. (on a side note, the main reason many people switched to satellite radio in the first place: the fact that it was advertised as "All Commercial-Free" isn't even true anymore! But, I digress...) The point is: if I have to pay for my TV, and pay for my radio just to listen to music, I want these goverment hacks OFF my back about what I download for my own entertainment. Honestly, I don't even think we should have to pay for CDs. Screw that, if we have to pay for music on the radio, we should just be able to record it digitally, so we can transfer it to our MP3 players. Why should we have to #1 pay for music on the radio, then #2 pay for the CD, and (if some people have their way, soon..) #3 pay for it AGAIN through ITunes, just for the permission to listen to it on our MP3 players. That's like paying three times for a meal; you can only eat it once! Ridiculous.
- Snarfy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Your absolutely right. It has to do with how much is being uploaded/shared. With bittorrent, most people are sharing enough for it to be a violation. Under usenet, it depends on what is uploaded and by whom. If one person uploads every piece, they are a fool. If a thousand people upload 1/1000 of the file, they are OK.
More info: http://wwwiz.com/issue31/html/article2.html
The pr0n industry already tried to stop usenet, and failed. - drg73, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Oh well, after usenet there are always the DCC bots that do the actual posting, so people will switch to those. The industry cannot win unless they manage to shut down the entire internet.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5This is hilarious. They categorize Usenet has Kazaa. I'm sorry but when you use Usenet you aren't uploading to others, so it isn't even close to kazaa.
It's also funny how all the commentors on digg say "warez is wrong its copyrighted material". While 98 percent of you have a torrent application running in the background.
If you want to comment don't lie. You dont need to list the private trackers you're a member of..just say the truth. The article is *****. - WiFiSPY, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3and there Weed, Prostitutes, and Electronic Dance Music..... Heaven!
- Hercules, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Brilliantly put.
Although... "A friend" signed up for Yahoo's Music Service for $60 a year, then he can convert everything to .MP3 using Tunebite (www.tunebite.com) so he don't have to worry about stuff expiring on my player. He knows it's illegal, but he's not trying to rip anybody off, just trying to make it easier to listen to stuff on his iPod, since Yahoo doesn't work with that. - jkoski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I will not sacrifice Usenet. We've made too many compromises already; too may retreats. They invade our Napster and we fall back. They assimilate entire P2P Networks and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And *WE* will make them pay for what they've done!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"hi my names names wilfred brimley and i have the diabetes"
in response to comment #1 - Quarks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3They seem very misinformed about what usenet really is:
''A common misconception among people who use networks like these is that they're in a group that is above the law," said movie industry association spokeswoman Kori Bernards. Indeed, she said the popularity of the Usenet as a place to swap illegal files has grown recently, perhaps because the music and movie industries have successfully shut down several distributors of peer-to-peer software, the most popular means of file swapping."
Don't they know that usenet is over 20 years old and existed long before other means of file swapping.
Sure there's illegal binary uploading, but a lot (i mean A LOT) of people still use usenet like BBS from years before.
And this: "James Toledano, director of digital music at SafeNet Inc. in Morristown, N.J., said that Usenet trading of illegal files hasn't become a a large-scale problem yet. ''It is pretty small, but it's growing," Toledano said. One reason is that NZB downloading isn't free. The NZB search sites charge membership fees -- Binnews.com charges $5.50 a month, for instance. By contrast, peer-to-peer systems are free."
Pretty small ?!?
There are several Dutch usenet indexing systems that have over 300.000 users, that's in the Netherlands alone.
A lot of ISP's provide free usenet access.
"The NZB search sites charge membership fees" Excuse me?
Are they not aware of the many usenet search sites like yabse.nl and binsearch.info, not to mention the amount of apps (like NZB-leecher).
They seem very unaware about what usenet outside the united states (or 'underground') is like and what kind of tools are available. - overbyte, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4response - http://www.nzbzone.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3206
- g30ph, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4yeah check efnet #alt.binaries.tv
They announce on the channel I think and post to the group. I usually avoid IRC though and just look for an nzb or do a grabit search. -
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