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- Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29It's useless. The Chinese are already making cheap copies of our complaints and filing them before the originals even hit the market.
And they're including free knock-offs of the seventh Harry Potter book with each one. - pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28who cares about human rights violations, the real crime is copyright infringement. forget the children, think of the corporations!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25China has more pressing issues to tend to. The pollution situation say. Not to say this isn't important. But, frankly, how much do we think China should invest in order to protect the interest of select groups (MPAA and RIAA) half way around the world?
- futureisours, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20agrabob: we get very little back from China... I think what we get back from China is the cheap cost of most of our consumer products that you or I purchase each day at Walmart or wherever. Of course, the manufacturing sector of our economy is pretty hosed for most goods as a result, but hey we got Walmart!
- agrabob, on 10/12/2007, -12/+25I think everyone is missing the point of the global economy. We(USA) pour enourmous amouts of money into China's economy and get very little back. Enforcing copyrights(on software mostly, not movies and music) helps level the playing field.
I know most diggers are pro-OSS and anti-MS, but everytime another country buys MS, a large portion of that money goes into the US economy.
So yes, in the moral and ethical sense, human rights are far more important; but that isnt the issue at hand. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18How about you guys write a book, a program, an independent film and let someone else steal it?
- Satanael, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14***** China. We want better medical care, better schools, and a president with a freaking brain.
- AdebisiTheGamer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Funny how the USA and GW run crying to the WTO over this, when they completely ignore WTO decisions in trade disputes with Canada.
Funny how the USA sent all these delegations to Canada, trying to convince us Canada was the world wide hub of piracy, and it was run by biker gangs and the mob (no kidding, this is what our Prime Minister was told in person). Now we find it it is really China.
Funny how nobody outside the US has sympathy for the US any more. - DavidDigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@agrabob
The United States has decided that it is going to focus on IP as one of its major exports. This is a fundamentally flawed strategy because copyright law in the United States is not the same thing as copyright law in other countries; banking on IP is skating on thin ice. You may think that software patents and copyrights are "common sense" but nothing could be further from the truth. Bill Gates had to fight an uphill battle to convince users of the Homebrew Computer Club that software piracy would hurt the computer software industry. Over thirty years later there has yet to develop any sort of consensus on the ethical status of copying work in violation of its license. Some have said that *placing* restrictive licenses on software is unethical. It is absolute arrogance on the part of the United States to say that it can strong-arm other countries into its vision of "fair" IP laws whenever it wants...but that is the future the United States is banking on.
I for one believe that calling "uncle" on the Chinese is pretty pathetic...but the Bush administration is not very good at diplomacy, so it makes sense that they would resort to such a primitive tactic.
Copyright infringement is not stealing.
License violation is not stealing.
Patents were never designed to cover software. - tofagerl, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10How about we let Microsoft enforce piracy in China. That would sove the problem, right? :D
- Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Just think of how many lawyers they're putting out of the penthouses and into the townhouses...
- raskalz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I guess abuse of human right, occupation of tibet, no freedom of speach and freedom of religion is not part of WTO rulings ? :-)
- sleepingcow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10@agrabob
really? china does little to the us economy? thats funny because almost everything is made in china. its cheaper to produce in china, making the price cheaper. without china, you cant buy as much as you have been because prices would sky rocket. - nick111, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I wouldn't call you stupid (or even brainwashed) exactly... but you do realise that not everyone on the internet is American don't you?
- klparrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I've been to China twice; once in May 2006, once in August 2006. In central Beijing, in May, I had no problem finding pirated DVD's for (IIRC) 6 RMB (less than $1). But when I returned, I heard they had started cracking down on the pirates, and yeah, I couldn't find the pirated DVD's for sale around where I was staying. I ended up having to go to a "proper" store to buy a legit DVD for around 50 RMB (about $6). Damn pain in the ass; to play it, I had to change the region on my laptop's DVD player. That will only last me a couple more trips before it refuses to switch regions. I don't support piracy because of the price (especially when the legit DVD's are that cheap); I bought the pirate DVD's because they didn't suck. They worked in my player without having to change the region, and they had the latest movies. Oh, and quick rant about back home in North America, thanks MPAA, but I don't want to be forced to watch your damn anti-piracy ad when I put in a DVD I _bought_ legitimately. Maybe next time I'll go with a pirated copy and skip the *****.
- r81984, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4US? When did the US citizens start to care. Last time I checked corporations do not have voting rights.
We in the US have a lot bigger problems to deal with then with sharing files over the internet. Same thing goes with China.
Its not worth tax dollars to fight, so why would any government waste their time. I'm sure if you took a majority vote, every country in the world would vote against wasting their time and money to fight file sharing. - benjpw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@agra
Have you ever been to China? Have you read extensively on peer reviewed articles about Chinese cultural, economic, and political situation?
Your comments are a little one sided. China creates most of the "crap" that we consume from Mardi Gras beads to Lancome makeup products. I don't think its right to say that we "pour tons of money into China" when infact almost ALL that money flows right back out and back into America. China doesn't develop and engineer technology, it produces technology.
As for the copyright laws - the last thing we need is the RIAA going global. I hope China stands strong against this political move - especially since America controls the WTO to a large degree. :/ - ooMissioNoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Pretty funny he is going to china first, instead of comming to get me for my 200g external with 92 movies on it
- stopbanningme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What a joke.... if the US wants to use the WTO against other nations than maybe they should obey the WTO rulings in the first place.. http://www.antiguawto.com/
- monkeyrun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"We(USA) pour enourmous amouts of money into China's economy and get very little back. "
We already got all the cheap labor we could get from China. Seriously, just because Nike charges you 50-200 for a pair of shoe doesn't mean they are paying much for the labor. - Kirium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Is this the same WTO that chided the U.S for it's double standards regarding online gaming? The same WTO which the U.S promptly ignored and decided it was going to jail foreign citizens which ran foreign owned websites that ran on foreign servers when they had a 30min flight stopover in the Domenican Republic anyway??
- dojonz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4'Designed in California, Made in China'. Any guesses where the real profit goes.
- d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Maybe if the content owners would price their products to sell in China there wouldn't be a piracy problem. Obviously, the pirates are able to produce the products AND profit off of it. For example, if people aren't buying Windows for $100 from Microsoft, yet are buying Windows for $15 from pirates, Microsoft should sell it for $15 or quit whining.
- Ahnteis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3>>Maybe if the content owners would price their products to sell in China there wouldn't be a piracy problem. Obviously, the pirates are able to produce the products AND profit off of it. For example, if people aren't buying Windows for $100 from Microsoft, yet are buying Windows for $15 from pirates, Microsoft should sell it for $15 or quit whining.
It's not just that--China won't even allow a lot of media to be sold (see earlier article today). I think they allow 20 "western" movies per year. The people HAVE to pirate them if they want to watch them.
(This is complaint number 2 from the US, but it's the one that they're barely mentioning... because politicians are morons.) - mastercheif, on 10/12/2007, -10/+13Guess who is causing the Piracy? The companies in the US pay these people so little money, they can't afford the real thing.
- datalife, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Alot of sweat shops are the only work in town, or the best paying gig around sure $.13 isn't alot but its more than nothing, and love dont pay the bills
- argoff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The powers that be in the USA have a vision: print up phony money, buy real goods with it (from China), and then let them use that phony money to buy phony property rights (intellectual property rights) back from us (and US bonds). That way, companies like Microsoft and the copyright cartel (and the govt) effectively get money printed up for them while the rest of the economy gets free goods.
The only problem is that China is not going along with it. First, they force their currency to trade against dollars at an undervalued rate causing them to accumulate the dollars - meaning that they control the freshly printed money and not us, then they blow off the phony properties (like copyright and patent).
Anyhow, when push comes to shove, the problem isn't China it is us. We keep lying to people about the value of our money and keep imposing and coercing phony property rights on the people. China is probably doing the US people a favor. - notouch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"... For example, if people aren't buying Windows for $100 from Microsoft, yet are buying Windows for $15 from pirates, Microsoft should sell it for $15 or quit whining."
Normally I wouldn't agree with that. However, the companies need to price their products different if they want to make a market in China.
A full time minimum wage job in US makes roughly $1000 a month before tax. Most people in China, even in major cities like Shanghai and Beijing, couldn't even make $200 a month. Can you really expect them to pay over $100 for a software? - Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think you meant to just say:
"If you compalint then don't buy anything"
Because thanks to stock holdings by multinational corporations, the only thing you can probably purchase domestically that is 100% American is a plot of dirt. - cr125er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Awwww, it's so cute they think any of this helps.
The same people who pirate are going to keep pirating, and the same people who fall for the MPAA and RIAA scare tactics will continue shelling out an arm and a leg for a piece of plastic. - haffe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Funny how the us governement seems to enforce IP very strictly when it comes to us IP. But they seem very lax when it comes to us companies violating IP (eg. Haakan Lans).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I want to counterfeit Chinese products.
- zhulien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I hope China stands up for what THEY want to do whether it's the same goal as the USA or NOT. Countries that bend over for others are gutless - I don't think China is gutless.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2why worry about pirated movies or music.... We really need to crackdown on blatant Chinese ripoffs of patented products...(not just US products)
- PapaZit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The MPAA and RIAA have too much influence on Washington. What about human rights if we want to piss off China? Oh that's right, these violations are in the interest of American corporations. Lets not worry about a single industry's interest to jeopardize our foreign relationships. Chuck Schumer can suck my dick.
- NoSalt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well Boo Hoo ... the RIAA and MPAA are losing money because of China.
- wwwys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1>> It's not just that--China won't even allow a lot of media to be sold (see earlier article today). I think they allow 20 "western" movies per year. The people
HAVE to pirate them if they want to watch them.
U got it right in number, but that limitation is been set only for big screen not for DVDs. - PsychoticClown, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3EXCELLENT news. The bastards over here have sued children, dead people and college students. I'm rooting for Chinese pirates. GO PIRATES. These bastards are trying to paint this issue as the most important in the West. It's not. No one give's a rat's ass about your rights, especially seeing the way you try to "protect" them.
Hopefully more pirates will cause pain and suffering to the MPAA and RIAA.
(The RIAA is mainly composed of these four: EMI, Sony BMG Music Entertainment, Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group. Spread this info so people would know WHO the RIAA is and think of ways to hurt them. It's not a good idea to just say RIAA. This way they're off the hook.) - aroundtown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My friend stayed there for a few months in Shenzhen and went to the markets... any CD you want for $1, plus he got real retail DVDs before they were out here for $2 each, fully printed covers and discs. He picked up the Godfather box set for only $6. Not to mention all the knockoffs that are sometimes featured in dugg articles, he saw a market selling "DG" shoes & clothing (not Dolce) , which were exact knock-offs of DC Skateboard Shoes.
You would have to live there or visit to get these prices, and seeing as cigarettes can be found for $1 a pack and 40 ounce beers for 25 cents, and the average wage is something like $150 a month, these low prices go with the economy there. - gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5"...files complaint with WTO"
indeed, because China gives a ***** / can do something about it.
/sarcasm - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2china is also killing its own population with massive pollution...
- Zabelbok, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Like China gives a *****... Companies keep investing there even with piracy going on because it's still a profitable market; China owns the planet from your hat to your girlfriend's dildo (that you don't know about). The more pressure the U.S. has been putting on China over the years, the bigger the trade gap has got... Yeah, good luck stopping a train with a damn feather. China is our P.I.M.P!!!
- morningmatters, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't understand how can these analysts say stuff like "we are losing billions to piracy in China" with a straight face. That would presume that Chinese people will actually buy the software if not for piracy. Given the income levels it's just plain stupid to assume such things.
The bigger reason why the US taken this stance with China, as opposed to Russia or SE Asian nations, which IMO pirates a lot more, is because the US wants to use this excuse as a leverage to lower other trade barriers in China. - geekee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Man you people are stupid. There is a lot of lost revenue that could be going to the US, but you brainwashed idiots still think it's the MPAA/RIAA that's the problem. You're probably the same idiots that bitch about the federal deficit and/or trade deficit. Get a clue. Stop supporting piracy. Pay people that work for a living, instead of leeching off of them.
- smeep2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Isn't it funny that when the US wanted Canada and Russia to improve their stances on piracy, the US used strong-arm tactics and threatened that both countries wouldn't be allowed in the WTO (which, incidentally is a violation of the WTO mandates, BTW)? But with China, they use complaints instead? HM. Who's the 800-pound gorilla in the room? China is the only country in the world that the US can't afford to strong-arm because they know that a) a large percentage of the worlds goods are produced in China and b) China will be, if not already is, a large contributor to the global economy.
- zhulien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1on another note, if supposedly 90% of all software in China is pirated, let's hope it gets down to 1%-5%, not by them buying US software, but by them using FREE sofware instead
- cwan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Chinese are not be bothered with IP rights, cheap goods rules at the end of the day.
- fcekuahd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Moron. Why don't we simply stop trading with them? Their entire economy is built on cheap labor and export. It will crash pretty quickly if we move manufacturing elsewhere.
- yanshencun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0bottom line is all US business are profitable in China, otherwise you cannot explain why more and more company goto China and invest there, also some company keeping put more investment there,
- dferriman, on 04/13/2009, -0/+0Why are we filing with the WTO? China puts a 25% tariff on any goods going into their counrty, which is very little seeing that they make everything. We need to drop the illution of free trade, it does not work - it does not exist. China is the proof. We need to get out of the WTO and put up tariffs. We are in a trade war right now, and we have been losing for 30+ years as we have watched out jobs go over seas. First we said it was ok, we have the IT service jobs. Now those are going to India. We are left with nothing. Thanks WTO, thanks free trade, thanks Congress for selling the US out to lobbyists.
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