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- Fallout911, on 06/07/2009, -0/+38So they shut down AOL??
- m0rph, on 06/07/2009, -2/+28NASA has a "computer crime division"? :o
- Chairboy, on 06/07/2009, -4/+22Do we have independent confirmation of this? Or is that what the agency that took them down claims?
This isn't 'Paranoid Chairboy who thinks the gubmint is out to get everyone', it's 'An adult asking a reasonable question and not making an assumption'. - Memnochxx, on 06/07/2009, -3/+20This isp did not 'tolerate' child pornography, it actively took part in advertising itself as a place where such content could be hosted.
- Soytaco, on 06/07/2009, -7/+234chan is gone?
- alex7575, on 06/07/2009, -4/+18Are you seriously comparing child pornography to illegal downloads?!?
Jeebus... - Chairboy, on 06/07/2009, -9/+22How long until this rationale becomes a standard tactic for taking down ISPs that allow 'objectionable' content like political protest?
Cheer this now all you want, you'll be regretting it in the future. Pastor Martin Niemöller wrote something to this effect, wise man. - draculthemad, on 06/07/2009, -1/+12I am a little leery of this, and not really because of the 'slippery slope' argument.
If half those allegations can be substantiated, then why does the FBI not show up one morning and raid the damned place with a search warrant? Seal everything, THEN cut their lines and start pulling disk images to gather evidence.
This just seems like giving them a good opportunity to shred documents. - inactive, on 06/07/2009, -6/+15Yes, because that is clearly the next step down the slippery slope fallac--err, "logic"
Why, just the other day a meth lab down the street got busted by the cops. How long until they start busting into people's homes for their political views? /s - secrity, on 06/07/2009, -0/+8There were ads?
- SmEdD, on 06/07/2009, -3/+10Dan Glickman, welcome to Digg!
- inactive, on 06/07/2009, -1/+8Are you serious? I know people are taught that the internet is decentralized, but it really isn't. There's a back bone to it that provides reach to the world and centralized DNS servers. Without those, you just have a network in your house.
- Myztry, on 06/07/2009, -0/+7Memnpchxx - The FTC article doesn't state that any evidence has been acquired.
"The FTC alleges that the defendant advertised its services in the darkest corners of the Internet."
The darkest corners? These are not professional terms. There are no 'dark corners'. It reads like tabloid reporting.
"Internet protocol addresses it controlled to evade detection." - What sort of incompetent description is that for protocol over ports? No entity actually control "internet protocol addresses"
"“reason to believe” that the law has been or is being violated" - Is someone different than has obtained evidence showing...
Sure, the defendants (at least once the are charged) are probably guilty of any number of crimes, and need to be taken down and jailed - but the whole FTC article uses cheap sensationalist descriptions of unspecified breaches of law, without showing any gathering of evidence or actual understand of what crimes are taking place. I hope the actual prosecution is somewhat more competent, even if penalties and orders have been handed down pre-trial. Slippery slope. - Myztry, on 06/07/2009, -0/+7It seems a bit strange how the accusations have been placed. They are allegedly providing illegal services and not undertaking in criminal behaviour directly.
If they are offering illegal services then isn't the normal approach to catch them selling/hiring those services. Such as with hitmen, drug suppliers, unlicensed gun dealers, prostitution, dealing in stolen goods, etc.
Whether the services are electronic or not, there still needs to be a deal going down to enable those services. And presumably there are soliciting such customers, apart from 'word of mouth' customers. - secrity, on 06/07/2009, -1/+6A black hat ISP can be isolated -- disconnected from their upstream supplier. The owners of the ISP can then quickly reorganize as a new ISP and get new connectivity.
- inactive, on 06/07/2009, -2/+7Yeah, it's a "slippery slope". They should just allow child porn to be distributed on the internet. If you get caught on the internet doing it, they shouldn't come to your house and lock you up. They should let you run free. Let you rape children and take pictures of picture or record it on your web cam. /s
*****' idiot. - EverybodyPanic, on 06/07/2009, -2/+7Your own children may very well become the victim of a sexual predator in the next minute. Don't wait until it's too late before shutting down the internet.
- uberduger, on 06/07/2009, -1/+6"It actively sold itself as a place where child pornography could be hosted and other illegal activities be carried out"
Citation needed please.
(And please don't ignore this comment - I'd really like to see any evidence that they might have against this company.) - Suricou, on 06/07/2009, -0/+4If this tactic becomes more common, I imagine copyright infringement will be the main target. Can't quite win in court? Skip that outdated due process nonsense, and just threaten to close down the ISP if they site stays up!
- IrvineKinneas50, on 06/07/2009, -0/+4Did you and the people who dugg you seriously just miss the sarcasm in my post? Did you think I seriously thought the govt would beat you with your "internet tubes"?
Seriously?
I don't know how to lay it on any thicker. I really don't. Jesus Christ. I thought /s wasn't needed but apparently I was wrong. - srs2000, on 06/07/2009, -0/+4Computer Crimes Division (CCD)
The Computer Crimes Division is responsible for conducting criminal investigations in which NASA is a victim and connected primarily to computers and information technology. The CCD maintains two geographical regions of investigative responsibility. The Eastern Region covers the following states of the United States: AL, CT, DC, DE, FL, GA, IL, IN, KY, MA, MD, ME, MI, MS, NC, NH, NJ, NY, OH, PA, SC, TN, VA, WI, WV, and VT. This region has investigative jurisdiction for computer crimes occurring at Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD (including New Jersey Post-of-Duty, Trenton, NJ; and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies, NY); Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA (including Wallops Flight Facility, VA); Glenn Research Center, Cleveland, OH; Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, AL; and Kennedy Space Center, FL. The Western Region covers the following states of the United States: AK, AR, AZ, CA, CO, HI, IA, ID, KS, LA, MN, MO, MT, ND, NE, NM, NV, OK, OR, SD, TX, UT, WA, and WY. This region has investigative jurisdiction for computer crimes occurring at Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena CA; Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA; Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards CA; Johnson Space Center, Houston, TX; and White Sands Test Facility, NM. - mrsteveman1, on 06/07/2009, -1/+5In what way is the FTC or any other government agency empowered to take down an ISP simply because its users may pirate copyrighted content?
You have a seriously inflated sense of the importance of the matter at hand, you appear to be asserting that this same thing will happen to ISPs who don't proactively go after pirates, but you have no basis whatsoever for making such a claim. You should probably read the case law, i'll give you a head start:
http://faculty.ist.psu.edu/bagby/432Portals/T4/
On the face of it, you appear to be completely full of *****. - inactive, on 06/07/2009, -0/+4So how was NASA a victim? Did they get SPAM????
- kosser, on 06/07/2009, -2/+5please just humor this notion.
What if the US Federal Trade Commission is using this "criminal" firm to be a reason to justify kicking people off the internet. Of course no one will complain when they selectively just kicked this "criminal" firm off the internet because it's bad and evil. But once they get the ok to use these techniques, then their next step is to incrementally use it for more and more broader reasons. Eventually sliding the bar of acceptance to be able to kick off anyone with, as Chairboy puts it, 'objectionable' content like political protest? Then after that they'll just selectively kick anyone they please off.
I only say this because our loving government are the same people who continually ask us the taxpayers to pay the Banks in the form of Trillions of dollars even when 90% of the people disagree with this action, and it continues to fund the same people who created most of our problems, while we suffer. So, who knows what kind of other things they dabble in....just a thought - srs2000, on 06/07/2009, -1/+4... That is what people said when napster was shut down.
It's like sticking your finger in a hole to stop a leaking dam. - inactive, on 06/07/2009, -2/+5They're both illegal.
- Pixelante, on 06/07/2009, -1/+4Look up "thought crime". In some countries they do exist. In some European countries holding an illegal political viewpoint can get you arrested.
- Pixelante, on 06/07/2009, -0/+3Doesn't worry me. My children ARE sexual predators.
- fuzzynyanko, on 06/07/2009, -1/+4It depends. For example, if a lot of users were complaining against the ISP for people hosting child porn and the ISP ignored the complaints, I can agree.
On another note, remember all of those porn popups in the early days of the Internet, and they passed legislation to regulate it? If you are looking directly for porn and got a porn popup, that's one thing. If you were looking for something like Pokemon and got a porn popup, that's another. Close your browser and sometimes you got a porn popup, and if you weren't careful, you could get a company into trouble.
In fact, my college got complaints for this very thing for a public computer. The question was: did he look for porn or was it a popup ad, and nobody honestly could tell. So, regulation might not be all bad, especially if I get less ads in my inbox for Viagra. - inactive, on 06/07/2009, -3/+6Yeah. There's obviously no conspiracy to limit freedoms even though that's exactly what the government has been doing for the last 100 years. Don't let any text books you read in elementary school let you tell you otherwise!
- GeorgeWKush, on 06/07/2009, -1/+3How can anyone be thrown off the internet?
- uberduger, on 06/07/2009, -0/+2I heard it got abused by one of these sick and twisted Pricewert bastards.
/s - IrvineKinneas50, on 06/07/2009, -1/+3Yeah, except for political blogs don't violate the law.
Digg: the internet bastion for wacky, survivalist, conspiracy hermits. - mrsteveman1, on 06/07/2009, -0/+2We're talking about ISPs, they are specifically protected as outlined ON that page. Read it.
- IrvineKinneas50, on 06/07/2009, -2/+4This is clearly a slippery slope. First thing you know, govt is cracking down on highly objectionable, illegal content, and the next, they're coming into your house and beating you with your internet tubes.
HURRRR
TRUTH TO POWER - icndvl, on 06/07/2009, -0/+2ISPs can't be responsible for what people do while using their service. If anything the people who made these websites not the ISP should accountable. Courts should have the authority to send a court order to force and ISP to stop running a specific website, after a proper investigation and trial. Who would ever run an ISP knowing they are responsible for everything their customers install on their sites? Government action like this against an ISP as a whole is probably unconstitutional as it is an attack of free speech for everyone, not just the spammers.
- Memnochxx, on 06/07/2009, -5/+7Again, this isp did not just allow the content. It actively sold itself as a place where child pornography could be hosted and other illegal activities be carried out.
- Memnochxx, on 06/07/2009, -2/+4That's because it's already illegal. Don't worry about something legal being brought down, worry about something becoming illegal.
- Memnochxx, on 06/07/2009, -3/+5The 'rationale' of stopping this isp was that what it did was illegal. It promoted its services to those who wanted to host botnets, child pornography, and other viruses and phishing scams, and also ignored take down requests of the content and moved the content to other servers it owned in order to evade detection. What this isp did was illegal, that's why it was taken down. Another isp would not be taken down simply because content was 'objectionable'.
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/06/3fn.shtm - gfox, on 06/08/2009, -0/+1This host sold specifically to underground russian sites. You had to know Russian and people to get hosted, all the Russian hacking blogs were in an uproar, as were the underground sites, and they have a chat log of the owner helping a client configure a bunch of botnets.
- Suricou, on 06/08/2009, -0/+1Technicalities, easily ignored. If an ISP provides very high-capacity, unlimited or high-cap connections, then it isn't too hard to see that they are creating an environment ideally suited to copyright infringement. Who could possibly download a hundred gig in a month while remaining perfectly legal? Very few people, I imagine. So when an ISP advertises an unlimited connection, it could be seen as codespeak for 'Pirates, we sell what you need.'
- inactive, on 06/07/2009, -2/+3This is stupid. If they were looking to stop your political speech (like they care), they'd just KGB you in the middle of the night and no one would see you ever again.
- inactive, on 06/07/2009, -2/+3lulz.
- SmilinJoe, on 06/08/2009, -0/+1"An American ISP allegedly involved in distributing spam and images of child abuse has been thrown off the net."
Why the ***** didn't they kick down the doors with in armed swat team and throw all of them in prison?!?!?
Oh yeah, I forgot, they didn't "pirate" any music or movie content.. - darkened, on 06/07/2009, -4/+5As multiple people said the last time this article made the front page of Digg, this is a very very scary precedent. Sure spam and child porn are bad but just as many people in the government could label BitTorrent.... or even free speech on political blogs bad and then remove the entire ISP...
It just makes me think of the long quote where people don't complain about them coming for others because it's not them, until it is them and it's too late. - buckrogers1965, on 06/08/2009, -0/+1More than likely this is about an ISP that was ignoring RIAA and MPAA take down orders and requests for names attached to IP addresses. Fairly certain that any ISP has child porn hosted on at least one computer, if only the bot nets that the spammers set up to share files.
- cjacks9, on 06/08/2009, -0/+1Maybe I'm bleary-eyed from working all night, or they've edited the article, but I swear it says National Security Agency's Computer Crimes Division and not NASA's Computer Crimes Division.
- inactive, on 06/07/2009, -4/+5Can't read it because the ad is blocking the article. Thanks Digg! You are top notch.
- inactive, on 06/07/2009, -2/+3Well the laws on intellectual property can't be summed up on that page. You'll have be happy to know legislation exists that deals with people that infringe through mass distribution...
Have you seen that FBI warning at the start of movies...
Not only does it tell you that you could get your ass sued off, it also states you are subject to criminal offenses, 5 years in just a federal prison and $250,000 fine.
Seriously, next time... use that brain of yours. -
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