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US Pirate Party Study Shatters MPAA Claims
torrentfreak.com — While the Pirate Party might be well known in Sweden, and heard of elsewhere around Europe, it ’s not really taken off in the country that prides itself as being ‘the land of the free’. Unperturbed, the US Pirate Party has soldiered on and with the preliminary release of data from it’s first study, it’s hitting back at the media lobbyists.
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- celkin, on 07/08/2008, -6/+90***** THE MPAA!!!
- IphtashuFitz, on 07/09/2008, -2/+15Along with the RIAA and any other *AA!
- atarijedi, on 07/09/2008, -1/+9It just so happens that I like CAA, they have helped me get into my car when I locked the keys inside!
I mean, ***** THE *AA! - Defiant001, on 07/09/2008, -1/+0@atarijedi
You beat me to it :( - smacksaw, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2American Apparel can suck it. Good call.
- Cenobite, on 07/09/2008, -0/+3***** Alcoholics Anonymous!
- jigglebilly, on 07/09/2008, -2/+1rm -rf * | grep AA
- Giga, on 07/09/2008, -0/+8"rm -rf * | grep AA"
That doesn't do what you think it does... - CryRightardCry, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2@jigglebilly
Fail.
- atarijedi, on 07/09/2008, -1/+9It just so happens that I like CAA, they have helped me get into my car when I locked the keys inside!
- IphtashuFitz, on 07/09/2008, -2/+15Along with the RIAA and any other *AA!
- adhiza, on 07/08/2008, -6/+21Protect our freedoms!
- reformation, on 07/09/2008, -0/+3What freedom? To steal music and films?
- zeabu, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2Yeahhh!
Stupid!
- zeabu, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2Yeahhh!
- 10ofDiamonds, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1The U.S. is in trouble when people actually believe they are free to steal and validate their crime by pointing out that THEY THINK the industry makes enough money. Theft is becoming accepted and commonplace, while profit is viewed as theft. This is a mentality that must be changed. I agree with Gene Simmons, sue the pimples of every one of them.
- reformation, on 07/09/2008, -0/+3What freedom? To steal music and films?
- benologist, on 07/09/2008, -17/+3Showing that the MPAA is making more money from people paying to see movies at the cinema doesn't really disprove their claims of losing money from people pirating it....
- PhillAholic, on 07/09/2008, -2/+20but how much of a whinny bitch do you have to be to blame the fact that your already increasing revenue, despite a recession no less should be even higher because people are illegally downloading your movies? Something they can't even really prove completely, nor can they realistically say that each download would have been a sale. Sounds like a three year old fit to me.
- 10ofDiamonds, on 07/09/2008, -2/+1How much of a whiny bitch do you have to be to steal anonymously on the Internet instead of having the balls shoplift, or horror of horror.......get a job and pay for *****. Really, you really think the entertainment industry isn't losing money to pirating? If you do you're a moron. The fact that a party now exists to champion the "right" to pirate proves that pirating is becoming accepted as commonplace, and therefore the industry loses money. You're right, realistically no, each download wouldn't have been a sale; But be damn sure a good percentage of them would have been. So you think that an industry feeling the pangs of out and out theft is being whinny, while you believe you should have the "right" to steal because ["they're already making enough money"]? Who really sounds like the three year old here?
- coyote1284, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2Suppose I never download movies/music, I'd probably just borrow the DVD/CD from a friend if it's something I'm only somewhat interested in, therefore, no profit. BTW most of what I download I DO buy when available on DVD, but I'm probably a rare case.
- PhillAholic, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1@10ofDiamonds10ofDiamonds, The entertainment industry is loosing money due to producing ***** products. Movies are too expensive, come with barely any extra content and don't really warrant a purchase anymore. The movies that I like? I own them on DVD. Some I even own now on bluray. I buy all the games I like, and the only things I pirate are things that I either a) am waiting to get physically anyway, or probably would have never watched it in the first place. The point is, this group has constantly limited consumer's choice and created a ***** product and then goes on to bitch about it. Then to top it off they try to sue people without proper evidence and user their money to try to break them so they'll settle instead of actually going through with the lawsuit. They are the scum of the planet.
- 10ofDiamonds, on 07/11/2008, -1/+1back @PhillAholic
If the industry is losing money because they make ***** products, so be it, but don't deny that they are losing money to pirating and don't use your opinion about the quality of products to justify theft. It's not an argument and you sound like a moron. "I pirate are things that [ I probably would have never watched it in the first place.]"; So wait your telling me you steal things you don't actually want, they call the kleptomania. No one has limited consumers choices, get out of here with that *****. If you like a movie or album buy it, if not don't buy it(as opposed to stealing it).
- ktetch, on 07/09/2008, -1/+17yeah, but when the p2p period doesn't decline in comparison to the pre-p2p period, but grows still, its hard to claim poverty.
Filesharing is at an all time high, and last year was their best year - 'record breaking' I believe their press release called it.- benologist, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1The two don't prove or disprove each other though, that's the problem.
If you get a payrise and robbed the payrise doesn't show or prove you weren't robbed.
- benologist, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1The two don't prove or disprove each other though, that's the problem.
- PhillAholic, on 07/09/2008, -2/+20but how much of a whinny bitch do you have to be to blame the fact that your already increasing revenue, despite a recession no less should be even higher because people are illegally downloading your movies? Something they can't even really prove completely, nor can they realistically say that each download would have been a sale. Sounds like a three year old fit to me.
- oboredone, on 07/09/2008, -10/+5Jack Sparrow would approve.
- solesoul, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1Jack Sparrow aint got ***** on Captain Hook
- Shogi, on 07/09/2008, -4/+62Wow, the MPAA makes organized crime look like amateur hour.
- bipolarruledout, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2They got nothing on the DEA.
- whyufail, on 07/09/2008, -7/+13Wait, the US has a pirate party? Where do we sign?! Actually scratch that, knowing the US they'd probably just round the whole party up and arbitrarily arrest/taze/sue us once it got large enough.
- andy2125, on 07/09/2008, -1/+7Haven't you seen 24? They'll let everyone go home and use satellites to track each person to their house. At which point Jack Bauer will raid your house and magically transfer the contents of your hard drive to be analyzed so they can dish out a couple hundred thousand dollar fine for a $20 pirated DVD.
- TheInformer, on 07/09/2008, -5/+4All you have to do is repeat the mantra "change", and nothing you say or do will be questioned after that.
- Hangly, on 07/09/2008, -1/+3Yarr, don't taze me matey!
- UtahPirate, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1As an officer in the Pirate Party of the United States, let me just say a couple of things:
1) Yes, we do have a political party in the US.
2) You join the same way you join any other political party: by registering to vote and declaring that you're a member (and remembering that preventing you from having an unpopular political opinion is unconstitutional and against the federal election rules). We are a registered political party.
3) There's nothing arbitrary about rounding up political dissidents. It's the main sign that we don't actually have a democracy. And I promise, tazing is a lot more fun than it sounds! (Or is that hazing? I always get those mixed up.)
4) "Catch me if you can" is NOT our party's motto. We actually support changing the laws, rather than breaking them.
- DracoFlameus, on 07/09/2008, -1/+12Good to see an article about our fellow pirates in the US, well done :)
- gldfshnpcklejar, on 07/09/2008, -11/+1This is kind of like being afraid to tell people you're an atheist... why are American's so intolerant...
- Jeffler, on 07/09/2008, -0/+4How is it anything like that?
- caseycoold, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2I'm an American.
I'm atheist.
Half my family is atheist.
Half my friends are atheist.
We all get along fine.
Many Americans are intolerant, but many are learning.
But I do hate those who generalize so much....
- shadoweva09, on 07/09/2008, -5/+2They're actually doing something? usually it's just the leaders being a bunch of wind bags with this group with no action whatsoever.
- UtahPirate, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1Might help if someone got involved and actually did something instead of complaining about it. One thing that the Pirate Party sucks at is reading minds. Specific complaints would help everyone, and action requires numbers of people more than one. Or 10. Or even 100. We need everyone who agrees to help us create a party, because sitting there and complaining about it without being able to specifically point out what's being done wrong makes you part of the problem, not part of the solution.
- nascentia, on 07/09/2008, -3/+59The biggest problem with the MPAA's argument is they're saying that every time someone downloads a movie, that's money they lose. But really, there is NO way to prove this.
You might have someone who will never, ever, pay to see Transformers, and will never rent it, but that person still wants to see it. So they download it. That's not money lost, because that person would have never paid you anyways.
Or say someone normally only buys DVDs used once they're in the Blockbuster 4 for $20 bin. They pay $5 for the movie, and that all goes to BB, not to the studios. So if that person downloads a movie, it's a second-hand sale that's not going to happen, which doesn't affect the MPAA anyways.
Or, say you have someone like me who wants a favorite movie ASAP and downloads a copy before it's officially out. So say Iron Man leaks tomorrow, and comes out officially in 2 weeks. I download it tomorrow to see it again, but then buy it in 2 weeks because I'm a collector and want the case and physical copy. They haven't lost a single cent there but still register an 'illegal' download.
I could go on...downloading a copy to replace a severely scratched or lost disc, etc.
So there's NO way to say how much you've lost, because there's no criteria to base it on.- Phr00t, on 07/09/2008, -2/+6"You might have someone who will never, ever, pay to see Transformers, and will never rent it, but that person still wants to see it. So they download it. That's not money lost, because that person would have never paid you anyways."
What happens if there was no way to watch it easily for free? I bet they would be more willing to pay a small rental fee to watch it if there was no simple and free option.
I generally agree with most of your points.. but piracy is competition for the MPAA, so they do "lose" some of their profits to piracy.
/still hates the MPAA- jpmoney03, on 07/09/2008, -1/+7He didn't say that it wasn't competition at all just that it is impossible to prove how much they are really hurt by downloads since they have no way of knowing which downloads are actually lost revenue and which ones are not.
- coyote1284, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2"What happens if there was no way to watch it easily for free?"
Borrow the disk from a friend...
/you have friends, right?
- zinc6471, on 07/09/2008, -2/+3i go out and watch movies, but i stopped buying them since the plastic got weaker and weaker and broke a lot. Especially when its a 2 disc DVD with that flimsy middle plastic thing that you paid $60 for that collector edition...
- busterti, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2are you playing with them? I have had 2 dvd's break on me. One was on purpose.
- busterti, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2are you playing with them? I have had 2 dvd's break on me. One was on purpose.
- supermanly, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2After your comment, I'm thinking they should start to think of movies/music and stuff like that which can be pirated as a service. It's like an optional thing which you can get from different places. The movie theater is for social and casual atmosphere. At home (renting) is if you want to be in control while watching with friends. Downloading it for yourself is if you want the movie and nothing more.
- nascentia, on 07/09/2008, -1/+3That's pretty much how it is anymore, it seems. That doesn't mean it's necessarily right, but it's really how it is anymore.
Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails are a good example of how you can still succeed in this environment. The public basically views music and movies as something that's theirs and should be available free at any time, so you have to figure out how to appease that, get people to like you, yet still make money.
The NIN method definitely seems to be working - give the music away or sell it dirt-cheap to please those who will steal but never buy. If you aren't going to get their dollar anyways, just give them the music and you might have a new fan who will repay you in other ways - concert tickets or merch, typically.
Then, release a physical copy with extras that are worth having to the people who care. The Slip was released for free, but it's coming out this month physically, and with a live rehearsal DVD. That's enough for me, as a fan, to pay for it, even though I already have the music.
He's not trying to get dollars from everyone who hears his music, which is the RIAA/MPAA method. He's trying to expose as many people as possible to his music and hope they enjoy it enough to become FANS, and not just customers.
Movies can just as easily follow these guidelines. Release a low-quality, free copy of the film a month after its theatrical run ends. Sell a high-quality download for $5, tops. Then release a DVD/Blu-Ray that has a unique case with cool artwork and worth-while bonus features.
What they need to stop doing, though, is just releasing a bare-bones DVD, then 6 months later releasing the version with the extras that should have already been with it (ahem...Planet Terror/Death Proof.) THAT is what drives people to pirating, or just not watching movies period.
Like it or not, our generation is a bunch of self-centered, lazy people with short attention spans who want it NOW, our way, cheaply and easily. If you screw us, we have other things to do. Movie industry pisses me off, I can turn to music. Music pisses me off, books. Books, videogames. Videogames, Internet. And on. The industries need to intelligently compete, appeal to what we want and not screw us over.
Very few of them realize that, though, and they're still stuck in the old-school business mode where you either bought it or missed it, that was it. It's just not like that anymore, like it or not. - reformation, on 07/09/2008, -2/+1So buy it from itunes or some other legal download service. The bottom line is you simply don;t want to pay.
- zeabu, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2reformation : says who? I always give to musicians in the street, when I like what they're playing. I don't go home with a cd, nothing.
I like to pay, but a reasonable price. iTunes is not, it's the same price as any track on a cd, only you don't get the cd, nor the booklet, and a while back DRM-infestation.
As soon as iTunes is Flac over bittorrent for 30 cents, you'll see me buying there.
It's like paying for a pairs nike made in Turkey, when you know the same factory after official hours produces the same shoes, but without the label, and they sell them for €50 instead of €200. I go for these €50-shoes.
- nascentia, on 07/09/2008, -1/+3That's pretty much how it is anymore, it seems. That doesn't mean it's necessarily right, but it's really how it is anymore.
- bipolarruledout, on 07/09/2008, -1/+3The endless stream of hollywood ***** fests isn't helping. I think the smart money would be funding innovative film makers on lower budgets (like a half mil or even much less) and distributing online. The crap they are putting out just keeps getting worse every year it seems with few exceptions.
- reformation, on 07/09/2008, -3/+1Want to see it but not willing to pay? Then you DONT see it then, idiot.
- coyote1284, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2I can't borrow it from a friend? So now you want to ***** with people who lend their legal copies to others, too?
- zeabu, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2is there a way to pay a normal price, instead of paying an outrageous one?
No there isn't. So I have the opinion to be ripped of or to pay nothing at all, nothing in between.
- Phr00t, on 07/09/2008, -2/+6"You might have someone who will never, ever, pay to see Transformers, and will never rent it, but that person still wants to see it. So they download it. That's not money lost, because that person would have never paid you anyways."
- borez, on 07/09/2008, -2/+15It reminds me of that Harvard downloading study that was done in 2004.
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1027_3-5181562.html?hhTe ...
IMO there's a ton of stuff sat on my own hard drive that I would never have bought to watch or to listen to in the first place and, to be honest, if I find something I like I'll then recommend it to my mates who'll recommend it to their mates etc.etc. I don't see the problem with downloading at all, and I definitely don't see it as a criminal activity, because compared to some of the crap that gets passed off as legal nowadays... it's just not.- bradleyland, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2And the horrific side effect that the MPAA is worried about is that you'll be more interested in movies in general, rather than being driven away by high prices, thus increasing the likelihood that you will: pay for movies on disc that you really like, go to see a film on the "big screen" for the experience, share this information with your friends so they will do the same.
Wait...
- bradleyland, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2And the horrific side effect that the MPAA is worried about is that you'll be more interested in movies in general, rather than being driven away by high prices, thus increasing the likelihood that you will: pay for movies on disc that you really like, go to see a film on the "big screen" for the experience, share this information with your friends so they will do the same.
- dreman, on 07/09/2008, -12/+2Wait.. That study was ridiculous. The US Pirate Party looks pretty amateur. Did they even source where they got there numbers from?
- ZacT, on 07/09/2008, -1/+3Yes they did... Did you read the article?
they used the numbers that the MPAA released. - Drexial, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2They also said that the full details of the report would be released at the end of july. There may be more to this study by them.
- overridemymind, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2Did you even read the Article? They're getting the numbers from MPAA profit documents and press releases, and when the US Pirate Party is completely finished with their research, all of these papers will be released to the press.
- ZacT, on 07/09/2008, -1/+3Yes they did... Did you read the article?
- Phr00t, on 07/09/2008, -10/+3If you look at 1996-2001, you see an average increase in gross $. However, when bittorrent and "KaAZaA" come into the picture after 2002, the gross $ plateaus. As much as I hate the MPAA, the argument could be made that P2P has stopped their growth over many years... if they are not growing anymore, can they argue they are "losing" money from expected growth?
- ktetch, on 07/09/2008, -0/+6Yep, just as the saddlers and livery stable owners lost money from expected growth 100 years earlier. Why didn't they outlaw cars to protect them?
just as the trains and the passenger liner companies lost money from expected growth when airline travel became affordable. Lets ban aircraft.
It's business. Expected growth is not guarenteed. You can't repay a bank loan with expectations. If you business falls short of your expectations, you can't claim the money you expected to get from elsewhere.
I also looked at something else - seems there were more films after 2004, so the top films maybe got 10% of the total attendance rather than 13% - the other 3% went to see a film that interested them more, since there is more of them.- coyote1284, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1Agreed, ktetch, it's time MPAA and RIAA and the like need to adapt their business model to the trends. Take a note from Trent Reznor. Release free low-quality and cheap high-quality digital versions now, physical version with extras later.
- ktetch, on 07/09/2008, -0/+6Yep, just as the saddlers and livery stable owners lost money from expected growth 100 years earlier. Why didn't they outlaw cars to protect them?
- senatorpjt, on 07/09/2008, -5/+1What's their stance on gun control?
- Hangly, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1All adult males are required to carry an arquebus and twelve measures of black powder.
- coyote1284, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2A steady hand.
- UtahPirate, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1The Pirate Party doesn't have a specific stance on gun control, but from what I've seen among most of the memberships, coyote1284 is likely correct that a steady hand is important for gun control.
Really, we've left that issue up to individual candidates, though we openly support the Second Amendment. Incidentally, I happen to *like* black powder pistols, especially making the lead balls to put in them and seeing how accurate I can be. And, for the record, my aim sucks.
- NodOfficer, on 07/09/2008, -4/+2Will it blend?
- bsonline, on 07/09/2008, -3/+10I've seen a lot of great reasons why each download can't be counted as a sale lost. Here's mine:
I "own" the first 4 seasons of Smallville on DVD. My wife bought them for me for Christmas. Meanwhile, I watch my downloaded copies so as to not remove the plastic. I still buy movies in DVD and BluRay (I own one HD-DVD, but my player still makes a great DVD player)... but I prefer to watch the downloads over my home network on my PS3. Easier to browse, and I can get most movies quicker from TPB than local stores. Basically, I collect cases and try to keep them unopened. From the comfort of my couch, I enjoy my downloads.
Also, I'm another "try before you buy" kind of guy. I'm on the second season of BSG - started 2 weeks ago. I've downloaded the first 3 seasons, and I can't wait for a boxed set to come out. I'll buy it, but I hope to never open it. It takes great special features for me to break that plastic.- billwands, on 07/09/2008, -0/+6great maybe you can sell the un-opened ones for gas sometime in the near future.
- locojones, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2No offense, but why are you even bothering to waste money on DVD sets if you don't open them? That's the wierdest thing I've ever heard.
- reformation, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1Great! Some DVDs that I will never open because I'm an idiot!
- billwands, on 07/09/2008, -0/+6great maybe you can sell the un-opened ones for gas sometime in the near future.
- Drexial, on 07/09/2008, -3/+6I think the real argument here is they blame EVERYTHING ELSE for poor box office number.. for one movie they preemptively blamed poor movie attendance on the release of Halo 3 and the movie killed that weekend (don't remember what movie that was)
Maybe they should be looking at what kind of people see what movies and why... Don't try to make a chick flick appealing to guys and don't make a guy flick appealing to women... You will get more people watching both. The number of action movies ruined by some useless Hollywood romantic sub-plot added in for no other reason but to "broaden the viewer demographic" only kills movie sales. I know a large number of comic book fans that will never see a comic book movie because they hate what Hollywood does to them. Thats lost revenue right there. Why don't you start suing the producers for lost revenue. - ghsfr33d0m, on 07/09/2008, -5/+3***** the MPAA!! Check out this paper I wrote on the subject a few months ago. I'm told it does a great job of presenting many of the arguments relating to online piracy and copyright reform while attempting to remain unbiased and citing loads of primary research. Its like a 10 sec dl anyway, worth a read :)
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4231511/Analyzing_Onli ... - smacksaw, on 07/09/2008, -3/+3Ok Digg. Where do we start the US Pirate Party 2008 Donation Drive?
- Hangly, on 07/09/2008, -2/+1If The Teaching Company ever found out how much of their stuff I download I could be in a lot of trouble.
On the other hand they're not losing a sale because their lectures average over a hundred dollars each, and there's just no way I can justify a purchase like that.
On the other (the third) hand, their stuff is available in a lot of public libraries. - dupswapdrop, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1If you read the industry rags every movie that is make loses money so they can write it all off at tax time. I want to know why the IRS is not auditing them and making them pay the taxes they ducked.
- vacax, on 07/09/2008, -3/+2MPAA, how many movies did you censor today?
- AndrewWiggin, on 07/09/2008, -2/+6Please don't digg me down for pointing out the obvious, but: a study done by the "Pirate Party" found results different than the MPAA claims? Surprizing..
- saphyrre, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2I suppose the "official" MPAA study is more credible?... yeah right.
- saphyrre, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2I suppose the "official" MPAA study is more credible?... yeah right.
- EssexTrain, on 07/09/2008, -0/+0ill admit it, im too lazy to do it, anyone want to put together a list of top 10 movies per year and how they rate from a critical aspect? tomato meter maybe? and see if big movies have gotten better, stayed the same or gotten worse
- locojones, on 07/09/2008, -3/+2There are so many things wrong with this study, if you can even bother to call it that, it's really laughable.
First, the bias inherent in this study extinguishes any credibility it might have had if undertaken by an independent analyst.
Second, the only thing the graph shows is that the box office receipts for the top 5 or 10 movies have trended upward over time. There's no correction for price changes over time, so for all we know, an equally valid explanation could be that simply is due to increased ticket prices which could easily mask a reduction in over volume of sales.
Third, the bracketing of revenues by time of file sharing really doesn't support the author's argument. If you were to draw a median through those periods of BT and Kazaa, you'd probably come out with a nearly flat average line.
Fourth, the article completely glosses over any explanation for the decline in revenues during the period of 2004-2006.
Finally, the study is riddled with falacious assumptions about the relations between variables. He completely fails to take into account other costs that factor into the equation, such as profit/loss, revenue from DVD sales and rentals, etc. For instance, the MPAA claims billions of dollars of loses in revenue from piracy across the board, but the author only analyzes box office revenues which is one component.
This guy really should go to school and learn a bit about the Scientific Method before he goes around trying to publish any more studies because this one is embarrassing. But I guess people will do anything to justify their self-centered sense of entitlement to free media, everyone else be damned.- Beylan, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2"First, the bias inherent in this study extinguishes any credibility it might have had if undertaken by an independent analyst."
There are no independent analysts. Studies only get done when a supposed "independent" think tank or study group is paid many dollars to perform the study. Such studies only serve to confirm whatever the group paying for it wants to show.
For example: the MPAA pays a study group to prove that they are losing billions of dollars a year due to piracy. Result: Study shows that the MPAA loses $6 billion a year due to piracy!
Amazing how that works out.
- Beylan, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2"First, the bias inherent in this study extinguishes any credibility it might have had if undertaken by an independent analyst."
- bipolarruledout, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1I have mixed emotions when it comes to intelectual property. The one thing I know for sure is that they screwed themselfs over and over again. We could have had a very nice micropayment system, subscriptions models, etc. Every media company could have been onboard well before it was practicle to send media online. MP3's didn't arrive overnight (but it kind of felt that way in the media) and people used to spend a half hour downloading one song... and their was no where near the selection. Don't you think nearly anyone would have paid a reasonable fee for a great selection and legal use... say .20 cents a track or so? This isn't so much about right or wrong as much as it is protecting an existing market and they have worked very hard to errode it themselfs while pissing many people off.
- glenSM, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
- myDiggDog, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2it’s = "it is"
- ktetch, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1or "it has" or any other contraction. ' just means two words have been put together and letters taken out, the ' marks the missing letters.
- coyote1284, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1Yar-har fiddle-dee-dee, being a pirate is alright to be. Do what you want 'cos a pirate is free. You are a pirate!
- themarman, on 07/09/2008, -0/+0I've always felt that somehow, in some twisted and bizarre way(a.k.a. sa isang sinto-sintong pagkakataon) that only rogue economist can explain, piracy actually injects positivity in the economics of media and software alike. Piracy of OS expanded windows users considerably. Movies that didn't do well in the box-office have a second lease in life as downloaded pirate movies. Some of those people who downloaded these movies for free might buy the DVD or least becomes a fan of the actors, directors, etc and would watch out for their next project.
- PCGCentipede, on 07/09/2008, -0/+0Mirror? FOr some strange reason torentfreak is blocked at work :/
- bsonline, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1locojones - you sound like my wife. I opened the plastic on every action figure I ever owned. I collect DVDs, I like it. It makes since to me.
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