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- alapoet, on 07/26/2008, -1/+50"Presumed guilty" seems to be the new rule governing the music industry -- and now their patsies, the ISPs.
- Stavrosian, on 07/26/2008, -0/+24Just switch ISPs to one who isn't complicit in this retardation. Problem solved.
I use fast.co.uk, I couldn't care less what BT and Virgin are doing. If your ISP agreed to this *****, transfer to another and let them know that this is the reason why. - NuWeb, on 07/26/2008, -2/+22Innocent Until Proven Guilty, becomes "Buy our music or you are guilty! Muhaa"
/me buys stock EMI - Darkaged, on 07/26/2008, -0/+20***** the BPI!
But hey, at least I can still download movies from the internets. - TheUKDigger, on 07/26/2008, -1/+17***** VIRGIN
***** ORANGE
***** SKY
***** CARPHONE WAREHOUSE
***** BT
***** TISCALI
And mostly...
***** THE BPI !!!! - PaulOwen, on 07/27/2008, -0/+14The key thing to remember here is that ISPs are NOT allowed to hand over your name and address to the BPI, or anyone else apart from UK police.
If the letters warn, or you are given the impression that your ISP has given your name and address to any third party that you haven't agreed to, you can make a Data Subject Access Request, which means that the ISP has to turn over EVERYTHING that they hold on you including any correspondence they have sent to ANY third party. Details here:
http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/dat ...
If they have given out your details, you can ask the Office of The Information Commissioner if your ISP has applied for persmission to hand over personal information to third parties (they won't have). If the ISP has not declared that one of the purposes of holding personal information is to hand it over to organizations which you have not agreed to *in writing, specifically and without with free consent*, then the ISP has breached the data Protection Act 1998, for which you can claim damages, and if they have not recevived permission to hand over your personal data to the BPI, they may be guilty of a criminal penalty.
I doubt Richard Branson would want to be seen in leg irons for *that*!
If in doubt, consult the Data Protection Act 1998 and contact the Information Commissioner's Office for guidance. For your ISP to give your details to the BPI is basically unlawful. - MaxMWood, on 07/26/2008, -0/+13The 6 ISP's are:
BT, Virgin, Orange, Tiscali, BSkyB and Carphone Warehouse.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7522334.stm - Apocrypha, on 07/26/2008, -0/+9Wow, that is so wrong. But, like Stavrosian says above, just ditch your ISP if they are doing this and let them know that is the reason you are leaving. Wouldn't hurt maybe to let them know you intend to recommend to any of your friends that also use the offensive ISP to also change providers. Losing money is all these pricks understand.
- inactive, on 07/26/2008, -0/+8bastards!
- Darkaged, on 07/26/2008, -0/+8Yes, the whole population of the UK love the BPI.
- SSUK, on 07/26/2008, -0/+7I love how all the might of ISPs and the BPI can muster... Are angry letters. I love this county sometimes, I really do.
- Stavrosian, on 07/26/2008, -0/+6With the MPAA trying to argue to a judge that they shouldn't be required to present evidence in order to sue people, I think you might have missed the boat on that one.
- Yookji, on 07/26/2008, -1/+7@HyperJack
卐 - W3bbo, on 07/26/2008, -0/+6Go with Be Internet if you can. 24mbps ADSL2+ and Usenet as well. Static IP address, no real restrictions to speak of. Of course, they are owned by O2, so it is forseeable that they might bend-over; if you want a large, yet independent operation try Demon Internet, who are owned by THUS, arch-rivals of BT.
- fatmannaltlcoat, on 07/26/2008, -0/+5I can see one big blanket letter from prince going out to everyone saying they downloaded his songs now buy my cd.
- HyperJack, on 07/26/2008, -3/+8I insist that people stop post these ***** random characters that don't display correctly on my computer!
- caupolixan, on 07/27/2008, -1/+5 The article is not about downloading ilegal MP3 files man, it's about ISP's going along with a comercial entity without any transprerancy.
- alexforcefive, on 07/27/2008, -0/+4You've basically hit the nail on the head, here. They're not going to go after "internet pirates", they're going to go after anyone who heavily uses the internet. The ISPs don't give a ***** if you're downloading illegal content, they only start to pay attention if you're eating into their profits (by actually using the service you pay for).
I'm not exaggerating when I say I'm only seeding linux isos and linux clients for id games, and yet my bandwidth gets throttled every day. I guarantee you I'll get one of these letters, and I guarantee you they'll be getting a letter back. - weoh, on 07/26/2008, -0/+4http://youtube.com/watch?v=MTbX1aMajow
- Weirdcore, on 07/26/2008, -0/+3Out of all the areas i could be in, i could only be in the area were Virgass is the only availible connection!
So basically this is stating if i download my Revision3 podcasts on a torrent client or just a normal download, i will still get *****? - Stavrosian, on 07/27/2008, -1/+4They are sending accusatory letters to users with no evidence that users are doing anything wrong, simply because the BPI wants them to. Can you not read, or do you just not understand why this is shocking business practice?
- motters, on 07/27/2008, -0/+3From previous cases it seems that the music industry's "evidence" is often wrong. If they're now targeting UK internet users based upon a "guilty until proven innocent" basis sooner or later someone if going to file a big lawsuit against them.
- zadadka, on 07/27/2008, -0/+3Don't waste your time changing ISP, this will likely hit all ISPs ultimately, since it's a Government initiative.
Just fit a wireless router, even if you use Cat5 or IP over mains...
If you have wireless, the claim that your connection "must have been hijacked by war drivers" cannot be disputed, and security on wireless cannot be legislated.
Get out of jail free card.....on me. :D - MaxMWood, on 07/26/2008, -1/+4Anyone know who these 6 major ISP's are?
- soupr, on 07/26/2008, -1/+4Thumbing you down from beautiful London, England :-)
- JamesMorris, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/25/three_stri ...
- Drizzit, on 07/27/2008, -0/+2I love how you Usenet retards think that nobody's watching what you're doing. Everything in Usenet is logged and backed up. Even what channels you have downloaded regardless if you ever looked at anything in there. If there was ever a more solid piece of evidence that someone committed a crime there I'd love to see it. It's a wonder all the **AA's have not sued Usenet users, at least they'd have rock solid cases against the users.
- alexforcefive, on 07/27/2008, -0/+2Yeah, but watch out. This is obviously the first step in some kind of big plan. They'll do the letters; then the traffic shaping; then they'll introduce the new tiered internet plans and everyone will rejoice.
- petersilk, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1i used to love orange up untill now..
whats next, ford, bmw, honda etc putting 'sat-nav speedometer grassers' in our motors? - fatmannaltlcoat, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1Dude you come to digg but don't read.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-sena ...
It will be worse here becasue they can seize your computer as a counterfiting device and they want another failed brnach and czar to head a copyright task force just like the failed war on drugs. - inactive, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Noooo, I'm with talk talk (a service from carphone warehouse) in my apartment and I've just got my parents to transfer to them. Darn 18 month contracts.......
- MaxMWood, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Im sat here trying to sum up into words that artists are getting ***** over by everybody. Record labels, iTunes (Artists only get 4%) and Pirates. Now personally I would much rather give the artist the full amount. Instead of giving the record labels most of my money.
Record labels need to wake up to the modern times! I have ideas.. but who the hell would finance me? When the sole idea isnt to make a profit but to be a respected company and give artists what they deserve? Im not going to go into details but it's a great idea and if you really want to know you can email me. - akav0id, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2***** the tin foil hat brigade who are scared off by "angry letters"
- chedabob, on 07/26/2008, -3/+4For now, Virgin Media's pros (for me at least) outweigh the cons: solid 20mb connection outside of London and a Usenet server. I'll stay with them until they send me a letter, assuming this isn't just an empty threat.
- MadceltUK, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Sky offer one of, if not the, best value broadband package in the UK. For £10 per month I get a steady 10mb dl with unlimited usage and no traffic shaping, some people claiming to download 100GB per month. A lot of P2P users will have subscribed to them.
- magneticB, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Would not recommend Demon, they used to be amazing but now it's 50GB download limits and Indian script-reading call centres. They cap you to 128k if you go over this limit with no warning. I'd highly recommend Be though.
- davidbeile, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2Hopefully, this unjust way of dealing with file-sharing won't spread to the United States.
- Travelsonic, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1As of late, I'm finding that hope fading, albiet very slowly.
- inactive, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Complete rubbish.
Nearly everyone I know uses one of these ISPs.
Don't assume everyone is an idiot. - gpthestar, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Guilty until proven Innocent is this not a new American fad. maybe they are being pre-emtive and striking just before you make an illegal download.
I am sure they have software that gives them a pre-illegal download warning.......lol
I cant believe this is going on and how the BPI can justify this.
SCUM
seems they are giving people ***** for downloading music they would never buy anyway because it is gash, so we are really just downloading a preview then deleting it - scabbers, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Carphone Warehouse includes AOL UK. I would change, but I think I'd rather get one of these lame letters than a court summons ;)
- alexforcefive, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1Unfortunately ISPs in britain have been practising monopolist tactics for the past few years now. If you live in like 90% of britain you can't move to an ISP that won't be doing this.
- inactive, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1The ISPs are not monitoring you, they are reacting to evidence passed to them by the record companies.
- Matri, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1No, it becomes "Guilty until we say so. And we won't."
- Travelsonic, on 07/27/2008, -1/+2Point
Head
any questions? - Jellyhead365, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2I assume this only really affects P2P downloading, and not other sites like Rapidshare etc, unless the said hosting sites give up the info?
- dupajuda, on 07/27/2008, -0/+0The "MP3 POLICE" should team up with lars from Metalica
- SpeedingSkills, on 07/27/2008, -1/+0When questioned, a rep from Virgin Media said on Radio 1 that after the warning letter they wouldnt disconnect people as they had no proof of who was using the computer.
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