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- jasnmb, on 10/12/2007, -14/+91sorry, I submitted a dupe. Digg this one: http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Warner_Officially_Announces_Dual_Format_HD_Disc
- danglerman, on 10/12/2007, -7/+83Dear Warner Brothers,
Thank you for thinking clearly.
-The World - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+63@jasnmb
wow, i'm actually quite surprised that a submitter of a story is admitting that his digg is actually a dupe and telling members not to digg his story, while linking to the original. the whole reason we have dupes is because everyone wants to be the originator of the story link, as if they found it first. congrats to jasnmb on being an honest and unselfish digger! - truspector, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21A better step in the right direction would be a combo player.
- humperdeath, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16And we all pay for 2 formats! There is a royalty paid to Sony and one to Toshiba even if we only play just one side.
- Terc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Who dugg down jasnmb?! Seriously, the guy that submitted the story is asking you to digg the story he duped. +1 digg from me.
- ChemEng, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18So now you can buy:
1. 1 SD-DVD movie: $15
2. 1 HD-DVD or BD movie: $25
3. 1 HD-DVD/SD combo movie: $35
Any guesses on the HD-DVD/BD combo would cost? Im leaning upwards of $45+. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16great, so now i'm gonna scratch up one side of the disc for sure
- JRumph, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15This will just prolong the problem. Eventually one side will win out and these will go away.
- Coffeedemon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I'm going to Digg yours because you're honest.
- 4degrees, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9kudos for warner for coming up with a solution to a problem that seems no one else cares to solve. but really, this shouldn't have to be done... damn the proprietary format *****.
- Electrox3d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8When it comes to high def, you're not going to go to the store and forget which player you have at home. You're going to go into the store eyeballing the BD section or HD section. And since the situation will never come up where you go to the store to buy a movie you don't have a player for, then decide on which player you want later, this format is useless.
- sladelink, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Kudos to you, jasnmd. It looks like this digg was more successful than the other, though.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7alarchy, you know that Netflix also lets you rent blu-rays and hd-dvds for no additional cost, right?
- captwnder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The combo player is a much better idea. Because you know Sony Pictures is going to limit their movies to Blu-Ray.
- Tallon29, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Well I just bought the HD DVD copy of House on a Lake (I think it was called) for my wife. It was a combo disc (DVD on one side, HD DVD on the other) and was $37.99 at Best Buy. Other HD DVDs were all around 24-30, so I think these new combo discs might be even more expensive.
- EatingPie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The best news about this is that it's a NO COMPROMISE solution.
It can have 30GB HD-DVD and 50GB Blu-Ray on the same disk!
Previous "proofs of concept" involving DVD have sacrificed one format or the the other (4GB DVD to get 30GB HD-DVD). So not only is this a good idea, it means neither format has to sacrifice quality.
-Pie - lordsandwich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Exactly. And it's telling how people have become so used to corporate arrogance when they're actually THANKFUL to pay for two different disc formats, rather than expect the industry to come up with a single coherent standard.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'd still have preferred regular DVD on one side and HD on the other. That way an expensive HD player wouldn't be needed till there was enough content to make it worthwhile but you could still enjoy the movie on your old equipment and be 'future proofed'.
- Hoffer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3While I have both the 360 HD-DVD drive and a PS3, I'd still rather have just one format. I won't have both of these players forever. So, eventually I may not have a player for some of the movies I've bought.
If there are going to be two formats, I'd rather a dual format player came out like what LG has announced than a disc with both formats. I like having art work on one side of a disc. :-) - fupresti, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Betamax lost becuase VHS was cheaper. HD-DVD will win the war becuase most consumers are concerned with price, not features. Most diggers may want the higher capacity Blu-ray, but Johnny Consumer wants the best price. If Blu-ray intends to win, they need to offer their players at lower prices.
- thekauf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Dual sided DVD's are really annoying to begin with. Congratulations if you don't care, but I really want artwork on the disk. Also no one can tell which side to put down on full-screen/wide-screen dvd's. They should make an easier way to tell.
- RealityCheque, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Target carries many titles for 19.99.
35 dollars is a total ripoff. - greekgoat91, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12why does everyone on digg have to give this a negative spin, this is a step in the right direction.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7going to be expensive
- gnarbuckets, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yeah but what if you're buying one as a gift for someone, and you forget which player they have? Or you're buying one as a spiff for your employees? Or you somehow wound up with both players?
- kylesellers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The problem is, they just aren't worth double the price of regular DVDs.
- Tallon29, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@Terc: I realized that would probably happen, which is why I made the spam a seperate comment. I just wanted to mention the site because it's like a pricewatch for DVDs. A nice service for finding the best prices from common online stores.
@Electrox3d: I'm sorry that disc seems to be expensive everywhere, but you can't really fault the site. It's similar to Pricewatch in that it checks the prices of the disc on multiple other websites. Crank is just expensive apparently. Sorry! - KayIslandDrunk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I really don't care about a disc that works with both players, what I care about is a player that plays both discs. The price of a disc means nothing to mean compared to the price of a player that I'd have to replace.
- SambekZX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It won't necessarily prolong the format war because only early adopters will be buying these. The hardware market is the main culprit. The typical consumer isn't buying HD-DVD's and Blu-Rays because they don't have the glorious 1080p HDTV and the $1000 player, not because of the inherent limitations or advantages of the particular format. The first format with the
- Electrox3d, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Tallon29: I didn't digg you down because of spam, i dugg you down because i went to that website, looked for Crank on Blu-ray, and found every price they pulled up was MORE expensive than my local Best Buy... lame!
- JackMiracle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Coming out soon. A Rock. One side can bash windows, the other side can knock out furry animals
- radiofrequency, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I can't understand why HD DVD is even part of this format "war". Betamax lost because its capacity was smaller than VHS. HD DVD should lose because its capacity is smaller than Blu-Ray.
It's clear the content companies like Warner Bros, Paramount, etc want you to repurchase all your content everytime there's a format war or a new technology - so they actually benefit from a format war because the potential to sell the same content twice is higher.
Now tell me why, in this optical storage war, HD DVD should win despite having significantly lower capacity than Blu-Ray? - opencoder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2but if one format wins out, then you've spent all the money on the other one. and movies arent like games. i dont buy the same game for both consoles.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What if they simply co exist like +R and -R DVD's do. With multi format players or disks the whole debate becomes pointless. It's seems to me that Multi format disk are the best insurance for consumers at this point.
- konspence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1To all of you saying it will cost more:
I really doubt it. Don't they say that Xbox games, etc. only cost ~50c per disc to produce? The majority of the 35 you pay for HD is just for the "license" to watch it, ie, own rights to view it. I doubt having two sides raises the production costs that much, and I don't think they would raise the price on them that much either . - gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Try Best Buy, they seem to have best selection right now.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Capacity doesn't matter from a movie perspective since they will never allow you to record anything useful to these formats anyway. Both formats have plenty of capacity for the purpose they were created for. Blu-ray will eventually catch up on the quality side. All that matters is how much it's going to cost you and I in the end. HD DVD is much easyer to produce, but media and players and will allways have a price advantage over Blu-ray.
- JAWA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this is a good idea. Someone's thinking.
- XTheEliminator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Bleh! Not more WB flippers!
I think I'll pass. - yossarian24, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just got my xbox 360 hd dvd player today...watched king kong and was thouroughly impressed... I went into fye to browse for other hd -dvds and was suprised to find they only had miami vice in stock... thas wak
- moofer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why should I pay the royalties to the window manufacturers if all I want to do is take out spotted owls?
- opencoder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think a combo player would be better.
- jasonwc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1While Bluray does have a higher dual-layer capacity (50 GB v. 30 GB), currently every Bluray movie released has been on single layer 25 GB disks. To make matters worse, Bluray movies are released using the bitrate hungry MPEG-2 format (same as DVD) which requires more space to achieve the same quality.
HD-DVD on the other hand is being released dual-layer, and in addition to an extra 5 GB of storage capcity, every HD-DVD produced that I have seen has used the VC1 codec, which uses 1/3 to 1/2 of the bitrate of MPEG-2, at an equivalent quality. The outcome of this situation is that HD-DVD currently has the HIGHER video quality. Reviewers have consistently stated that HD-DVD video quality is very good to excellent while Blu-ray is currently underwhelming- good, but not great.
Several Blu-ray movies were supposed to be released dual-layer, but their release dates were pushed back. As far as I know, no 50 GB Blu-rays have been released. If or when 50 GB disks become the standard this will be a moot point. At that size, video codec really doesn't matter as there is enough space to use MPEG-2 at any bitrate- up to 36 mbit/sec. - glialisback, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1HD DVD Now at 51 GB http://www.dvdtown.com/news/hddvdgoesbeyond50gbwit ...
- jdevaney, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Both of these formats are dead from the start, within a year you will purchasing HD content online and it will never touch a disc.
- Spr0k3t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No that would not work. The only option in my opinion is to kill off one of the two formats. I could care less which format it is, as long as I am allowed to make a legal backup of the format, I'm happy.
- HeyBob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I doesn't matter - I'll just rent for $4 (like I do now for dvd-sd)
- bgiese, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1are these going to be thicker -- like the Dual Disc -- giving grief to those with slot loading drives?
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Most of these folks don't want a solution, they want to be right about whatever side they took.
To me it seems like the best option for US consumers. -
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