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- BlueFiberOp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15A little late now, isn't it? I suppose they could work on creating the standard for the next high definition format if Blu-Ray and HD-DVD flop.
- aurrea, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I really wish they came to a resolution a year ago. I am a tech addict and poor money into gadgets but this one I'll wait on. I was a little too young for the VHS/BETA war but I remember that I hated going to my grandma's house because we could only rent the movies with the "BETA" sticker on the side. At the time I had no clue why but I remember it sure limited my choices!!! In about 2 years that little sticker is going to be "HD-DVD" or "BLU-RAY"...
So sad... so sad. - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Maybe you haven't been banned because they appreciate your free porno passwords.
- gabebear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In theory all Blu-Ray players should support the standard 8 layer 200gig Blu-Ray discs, but I'm sure the first generation players are going to have problems. First generation CD-ROMs have problems with multi-session CDs and very few can read CD-RWs. First gen DVD-ROMs had problems with burned DVDs, and didn't have a prayer of reading burned dual-layer discs. The first generation of every optical drive is intolerably slow.
Don't ever buy first generation anything unless you have some money to burn. - aurrea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Move to New Mexico and join a UFO conspiracy group
- addicted44, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@TEMM
And you know this, how?? Can you quote your sources, or are you just plucking out of your ass? - WyllyWylly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The early adopters will get burned, and I just don't see most people having a need for these devices. Most homes do not have the playback equipment (stereos and HDTVs) necessary to experience the full splendor that these new formats offer. DVD was leaps and bounds above VHS. DVD Audio and SACD failed in the marketplace because there was no compelling improvement that made consumers say "I need this." The question from the marketplace will be "I need this why?" From a technical standpoint, I like Blu-Ray better, but again... 98% of consumers don't give a damn. They just want it to work, and they will need a reason to spend that disposable income.
Most consumers (non-Diggers) don't give a flying f*** if Sony developed Blu-Ray or not, what's going to matter in the market is a) penetration and b) price. On that count, Blu-Ray faces an uphill fight: the players are expensive, and so is the product that is intended to deliver it in mass quantities (PS3).
Even if Toshiba succeeds in a unified format, will the marketplace care? - gabebear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Chewie67
Having a dual format player would be bad business for Sony. Sony has bet nearly everything on the success of Blue Ray and the PS3. The PS3 will become a lot more attractive if Sony can eliminate HD-DVD, if dual format players become the norm then the PS3 with it's lack of HD-DVD will look crappy. - JasonPrini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't want any movie publishers to be behind the holographic discs. Why would I want the industry so very good at mucking up technology in charge of it?
Maybe it will continue to be phantom ware, but maybe it will be out later this year, we'll see.
$100 for a 1TB+ disc is cheap, dirt cheap!! - millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The discs are already. What they need to do is come out with a hybrid player. They're both 12cm optical discs, so it's not entirelly impossible.
Perhaps the MPAA is doing this whole HD-DVD vs BluRay disc thing on purpose just to confuse consumers enough to curb piracy? Anyone remember the DVD-R vs DVD+R confusion a few years ago?? - Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@millixaw - "The discs are already. What they need to do is come out with a hybrid player. They're both 12cm optical discs, so it's not entirelly impossible."
Yeah, at this point, that's probably the best solution. Sony is forging ahead with Blu-Ray drives in the PS3. They won't change the course this late in the game. Same with Microsoft and their DVD-HD add-on.
A hybrid drive, like the DVD +/- R Drives is the best answer.
Unfortunately, I've heard (on TWIT, maybe?) that there's a legal restraint. Sony made anyone who licenses the Blu-Ray technology agree that they would not produce a hybrid Blu-Ray / DVD-HD drive. Why, I can't fathom. It's just bad business. - MrObjectional, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3The HD-DVD logo is really good I thought- it IS an extension of DVD technology... Everyone knows that symbol, BR not so much.
- h2pure, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1IMO Blu-ray may have a better advantage since they will implement it on the PS3, not saying they will win though. I agree with WyllyWylly, is there a real reason to upgrade to HD-DVD or Blu-ray?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5I think HD-DVD is the way to go, cheaper. I refuse to let sony shove its format down the consumers throats
- JasonPrini, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The new disc formats are already dead on arrival.
Holographic discs will be here later this year, I'm going that way for long term backup, and I stopped buying even current gen DVDs once I couldn't play a UK DVD in my Canadian player. That's already cost the industry hundreds of my dollars alone, and I'm very sceptical of any new tech these days.
DRM is dog poo on my ice cream.
I'm sure your HD-DVD and Blue-Ray players will look great next to your laser disc players. Enjoy. - Hawk2007, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1they should shoot for a 100 GB per layer disc. that way it'll have a longer shelf life and people won't have to ocne again reinvest in their collection once HD-DVD next gen comes out. when DVD first came out, I'm sure 9 GB per side was more than they ever needed, but 8 years later, it's proving to be pretty limited. They can fit a lot in 9 gbs, but it would be nicer if TV box sets could fit on one or two discs instead of six or seven.
- DustyPorch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I find it funny that Toshiba is claiming that they want a unified format, given that they were the ones to split from Blu-Ray in the first place to create HD-DVD. If they had continued to support bluray in the first place, there would be no format war.
What Toshiba is really saying is that they are willing to let Sony give in and support their own HD-DVD format. - amed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1soo your saying Digg is evil?
there is money to be made everywhere, you just gotta think of it before others do - hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1The difference here is that the media is the same shape and a player can be built to read both with little relative difficulty.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1We're already half way towards the next gen optical disc. Ricoh and Toshiba have been working on a 200GB 8-layer optical disc, which would, in some form, probably replace BluRay and HD-DVD in a few years. Time to replace all your BR/HD-DVD players and movies with the new media.
http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/ricoh_develops_200gb_8-layer_optical_disc_tech.php - Hatefull, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2what exactly did Toshiba lose? are you talking about the hd-dvd war? because, it really hasn't started yet.
- TEMM, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Except when you sign a contract with Sony to build BluRay based players it includes an agreement that prevent your company from building dual mode players.
- psychoace, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Yeah Holographic was supposed to be around 10 years ago and it's still phantom ware. Anyway there is no movie publishers that are behind such an expensive format. It's only purpose is high end data storage expect that cost per disc to be $100 easy. Drives will cost about $3,000 but that is considering if it will ever be released.
- Seidoger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Yeah.. Toshiba: "Should be unified" meaning take our standard..
At this point, we should go with the one that's got the nicest logo, which is Blu-Ray - MonkeyLives, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6Toshiba has been looking for a face saving way to accept defeat for months now.
Nothing new here. - jakatak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Bottom line, HD DVDs are going to be hard enough to sell us. We don't see a need. We love our DVD players. We also know that if we go to the next level of DVD technology, it will be harder for people to pirate movies. The funniest part is that there will always be a hack for a lock. no matter what they do. If it can be viewed or heard then it can be captured.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+10Yeah we all want Sony to win so they can install root kits on our computers.
- verstohlen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Remembering the VHS/Beta wars, many consumers will stand on the sidelines to watch this war and see who wins. Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.
- WyllyWylly, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3if you cant beat them joint them?
- marix, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Bluray and HDDVD are going to be unified, thats why the media is the same size. Expect to see players that cover all bases in the next few years. Also regular DVD will survive for quite a while longer just like vhs.
- xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5I doubt if both will flop. One will, but not both.
IMO, Bluray isn't demanded from casual buyers. Neither is HD-DVD, but Sony is trying to build a console that'll last 10 years, not the normal 5-6 years consoles usually last. The problem with this is that there IS no problem with having a console that lasts 5-6 years. Sony is shoving Bluray is people's faces. - reedreeder, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1i've never had a console last six years. come to think of it, seeing an original ps2 or xbox is a very rare occurence.
- amed, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3amm am, sounds like Toshiba is loosing the battle
- BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3Pass the blu-ray on the left-hand side?
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3I'm gonna joint your ass!
- modernpixel, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1***** both of them and their greed. They deserve nothing but the worst failure, and I look forward to it.
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