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- Benjmon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Uh, i'm not sure what you mean about satelite because I know many people who have it here.
- pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Build a MythTV box :)"
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes. That is a great idea. There's also a program in development called Media Portal at http://mediaportal.sf.net :: It's pretty sweet, you oughta' check it out - mgoddard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2tetris, Why can't we have satelite TV?
- Optimus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Build a MythTV box :)
http://revision3.com/systm/mythtv/ - dhaelis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"oh canada. why do u lag so much?"
It's called the CRTC, baby. - virtuatony, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i'm a canadian and i use sirius :)
i know the crtc is to blame because they want canadian content and commercials on our "version" of satellite radio
but i'm not so happy with sirius since they've began to censor some of there channels because of some deal they have with sprint :( - FogDogg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Tetriskid, get your facts straight before posting ***** like that.
It's cool that Tivo's in Canada now, but they should have made their announcement about DRM and cancellation fees after this... They've lost so many potential customers by doing that. - walbern1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have a Dual Tuner PVR through my local cableco and I can set it to record "new shows only" based on name or time as well as seven days in advance single show recording. Tivo has become obsolete with a lot of the new pvr and computer technology available today.
- peterw99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1tivo is pretty much obsolete service. Jsut buy a computer and setup a TV capture card on it. There are many free tv guide and tv capture programs available. and no subscription fees, ever.
- rhyno2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Canada's what?
- dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 At first I thought this was great for those who want it, but I wonder if Quebec will do what they did to satellite radio and throw a monkey wrench into the works and get it cancelled.
There are lots of alternatives, but TiVo has the buzz from its past. - Xion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1As a Canadian I find it hurtful when people say we are "backwards." The truth of the matter is, that Tivo-Like devices have been around for years in Canada. I have Rogers PVR (Personal Video Recorder), and after browsing the tivo website find it to be as good if not better than tivo. From what I've read about tivo, I am not impressed, I mean copyright restrictions? Which of our countries is backward in that respect? I can download, copy, and record anything I like on any medium because it is entirely legal here. I can't see many people purchasing Tivo in Canada, with its track record and the ridiculous restrictions places on buying a box. If this happened a year or two ago, I'd have been all over it, but like I said before, the technology is here already and just as good.
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"tivo is pretty much obsolete service. Jsut buy a computer and setup a TV capture card on it. There are many free tv guide and tv capture programs available. and no subscription fees, ever."
Tivo's main attraction for most people is that you can select what you want to watch and set it to record it every time it comes on, and only if it's a new episode. Whats the point of just plugging my TV into my computer if I have to sit in front of it to catch my shows? The free guide services your talking about don't really work all that well. I have a Sat systems so MythTV isn't a option for me. Tivo isn't a obsolete service at all, it's just being poorly handled. - gamerzworld, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Tivo? arnt they the one thats screws there customers by puting copy protection on some of there shows?
- K.Restoule, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hey Tivo. Too little, too late. I have my Expressvu PVR. Thanks but no thanks
- actor90, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Tivo is a dinosaur soon to be extinct. Tivo as a company forgot who they were working for, the subscribers who pay the monthly fee, and made deals limiting their customers use of the service for short term monetary gain. In the end, Tivo will be a minor foot note in the history of digital video recorders.
- pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0tivo blows ... sorry for the short answer, but it's just stupid.
- EmmEff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is Tivo going to display EPG information from the major Canadian cable/satellite providers or is this only for those with gray market US DBS receivers?
I guess they're so desparate to make some money, they'll open the doors to Canadian subscribers now. - splitfyre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0With regards to what 'azuldude' said, we don't have 2 channels. You're thinking of European vacation where they showcased that in France all they have is 2 shows and their both about cheese production.
- gamerzworld, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That was a bug. Did you even read that article? And it's up to the broadcasters to decide if they want that in. If they demand it then every DVR out there will have to include it.
archer75 posted by archer75 (1)
Bug? That was no bug. If that was a bug then why did they even put copy protection in the new update? - archer75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"It's about time, though TIVO sucks now with the content flagging and stuff."
That was a bug. Did you even read that article? And it's up to the broadcasters to decide if they want that in. If they demand it then every DVR out there will have to include it. - pcyopick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Are there any "intelligent" comments out there??
I'm looking into getting a pvr, and am currently a Rogers digital cable subscriber. Does anyone have any comparisions between the two services? - mrgone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'd digg this, but it's like three years late. And TIVO blows now.
In summary TIVO is too late now that they blow. - number8888, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's about time, though TIVO sucks now with the content flagging and stuff.
- drn666, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0WHO CARES?
Tivo is dead.
It would be a different story if there was an open digital cable standard, but as it stands, my Rogers digital signal is totally useless with Tivo (except for the standard analog channels). That said, Rogers 8300 series (Scientific Atlanta), while functionally less refined that the TiVo, have worked most of the bugs out and are fully digital ready, dual tuner DVR's. Rogers ONLY delivers a lot of the newer channels over their digital service - the 8300 can record them, the TiVo cannot.
And NO, I don't care to use the stupid IR commander nonsense. This eliminates MOST of the point of the TiVo to begin with. Bottom line, if the box isn't integrated with the digital signal provider, it's not a complete solution and you're just getting a feature deprived substitute with a brand name on it.
Analog is a different story of course... but that's none of my business.
... And talk about a half assed effort... they won't ship here, they won't honor warranty. Thanks but no thanks, Tivo. You can keep your "red flag", sinking ship nonsense south of the border where it belongs. - DKasler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I heard the Tivo updater can now be used to delete recorded programs from your drive after a netowrk defined period of time.
Say FOX thinks you should only be able to save EPs of "24" for 1 week. At the end of a week they can delete them. At the moment no networks seem to be taking advantage of this... But that doesnt mean they wont in the future.
PS. If someone already mentioned this, then I apologize. I didnt read all the comments. - archer75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I have a Dual Tuner PVR through my local cableco and I can set it to record "new shows only" based on name or time as well as seven days in advance single show recording."
And I can do all that on my Tivo plus more. And don't even mention using a PC. The quality isn't nearly as good, it lacks the features and ease of use. My Tivo is great, could'nt live without it. - jettra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have both a TiVo and a computer with a dual tuner card. I would say that the computer records in higher quality than the TiVo box. I use the hauppauge 500 card. It definately looks better and my computer has much more space (at least 100 shows on-demand all the time). I also use a MVP media extender to network this to my TV and can view all the programs on the TV just like Tivo. Most people think that Tivo looks better because they view computer captured content on a video display. The content looks much better when streamed to my TV. However, TiVo has a better interface. I use SageTV on my computer and it is very good, but TiVo is slick. It has an incredible remote that is intuitive (thumb-up, thumbs-down, etc.). I prefer the TiVo interface and guests seem to learn it much faster than the SageTV interface. I don't think TiVo is dead. If you try it, you will see that it is very well designed. It does lag in quality and storage size... although you could hack the box and add a larger hard drive. Also, Tivo is coming out with Series-3 models that will likely have features such as Hi-Def and dual tuners.
Now I prefer using a computer for a PVR. But I think the mass market appeal of price and simplicity is still with TiVo for now.
I wouldn't count them out at all. They have a great product, a happy customer base and "Tivo-ed" is a verb.
Best luck...
Jeff A. - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Build a MythTV box :)"
And what are those of us with dish systems supposed to do?
Yeah i'm with jefferson, bittorrent is the way to do this. I get a lot of my Tv shows from there. - jefferson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0tivo? pvr? living in the dark ages are we its called bittorrent and you can get every show you want with it commercial free and oh ya free free giving the cable companies in canada or bell or telus or whoever you get your data from hundreds of dollars for a pvr is retarded.
in addition most shows are widescreen off the torrent sites from a high definition source which is excellent if you have a wide screen notebook or cinema display.
When will broadcasters realize they have no control over the products they produce and people will distribute it however they determine. When they stop fighting technology and embrace filesharing only then will they move forward. If I was the head of fox or abc or any network I would be seeding my programs on my own website as soon as they finished broadcasting on tv, I would offer fast dependable speeds with superior quality and leave the commercials in, no different then a vcr.
and canada is not backwards, we still to date have no laws against file sharing unlike the USA - mrmatchgame, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Canada wante TIVO, They begged, now they have it. Now nobody wants it. Why? Yes, the stupid DRM!
- geekykewl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you don't want to deal with the tech aspect of setting up MythTV, then TiVo is the simple, easy and reliable solution.
And no, you don't need an American address anymore, or a credit card registered to a U.S. address, to have TiVo in Canada at this point in time. The service is FULLY available to Canadians, has local dial in numbers, and the program guide is a whole lot more detailed than what my digital cable provider has offered.
What's more, for those who said the PVR offered by their cable/sat companies might have its benefits, the other plus a TiVo brings with it is the ability to switch your provider and still keep your PVR. While I'm happy with my current provider, its service (and branded PVR) might not be available if I move to another part of town, and switching to a local sat company might be more advantageous. So, with my TiVo, I don't feel stuck to my current cable service. - hobbit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0pcyopick, I agree that actual conversation about the benefits of Rogers' PVR vs TIVO is a little thin.
I think that the Roger's PVR (R-PVR) is kind of suffering from version being a 1-dot-Oh product, even factoring that Motorola has been creating digital set-up boxes for a while now. TIVO has been at this far longer than Motorola, and have a more mature product. Motorola will get there, I just don't think the $500+ dollars for a DRM filled PVR is worth it. Which is probably my some people are mentioning MythTV, no DRM and its more flexible (e.g. change tuners, add more turners, change optical drives, add additional hard drives, its a network device, etc., etc.).
True a MythTV is definitely not of the average user, especially at 1000+ dollars (assuming you're starting from scratch and not re-tasking an existing Win/Tel box) and the limited technical know-how of the average TV watcher. That said, I have just started creating a MythTV box. I haven't plugged it into my stereo at home yet (needs some more configuring first), but so far it's looking pretty good. I have found that there is one very big problem with most Linux distributions (MythTV is a Linux app) a real lack of good/complete documentation. - IMHO - bigA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Build a MythTV box :)"
And what are those of us with dish systems supposed to do?
I have my Myth box working fine with StarChoice Sat. and downloading guide info with no problems. I see that Bell is also listed, so whats the problem?
I just setup a xbox frontend for it, works great. - pcyopick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Does the ROGERS box have a drm as well?? I've heard it's little more than a digital vcr with very little intelligence built in, compared to the Tivos.
And as for Tivo, how much programming is being blocked? Can you record but not save for longer than x amount of days, or what exactly is happening? Or is it just the principle of it having the DRM that is pissing people off?
I want to do things legally and cost effectively. Building a box is out of the question, and I don't download files from the internet unless I purchase them. Yes technically it's legal in Canada to do this, but you never know what other goodies your getting along with the intended download. - remixed05, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0azuldude.... we have all the american channels... and actually we have 4 or 5 networks, not 2
- tvslave, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Thought this thread should be updated. You can buy Tivo in Canada. PVR Source in Calgary now sells Tivo. www.thepvrsource.com
I bought mine there and love it! Can't live without my Tivo. - pcyopick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I thought it was too much to ask for an intelligent comparison of TIVO vs ROGERS PVR.
Rather than spending a couple hundred bucks on a TIVO, lets spend $500 on a hack with mythtv or whatever installed on it. Makes sense to me. - iamserious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Way to much static in this dialogue.
First of all, Tivo is far from down for the count. Unbelievable? Try over three million subscribers, and climbing, and the vast majority as rabidly fanatical about their tivo as the first mac users were about macintosh.
Second, as for copyright/drm BS, well, this too shall pass. George Bush will one day go away, the sun will return, and a sense of fairness and just business will pervade all facets of day-to-day life again, and sooner than later.
Also, the nation of Canada has remarkably sophisticated and socially just laws concerning copyrights, licensing, and intellectual property rights - and we can be thankful to the often-contrary of Quebec for encouraging thoughtful and engaging dialogue in this and many other regards - so what s problematic and frustrating for USAians in not so for Canadians.
Tivo has a headstart and a sophistication all its own. No other technology or DVR really comes close to replicating the customer satisfaction of Tivo owners. For people who find television integral to their lives, and for people able to identify and draw upon intellectual and entertainment resources available from television experiences, and for your basic hard-working TV junkie, Tivo is a miracle.
Canada, Canadians and Tivo go together like french fries, cheese and gravy.
If you have problems with Tivo's policies, go to their forums and sound off. They are robust and remarkably responsive. The fact of the matter with regards to Tivo's warranty policy in Canada is that they will only ship a replacement unit to a US address as Tivo does not yet actually sell Tivo units in Canada. Not a big deal, that, and infinitely work aroundable with practically any internet retailer.
So there. - TytotheG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Were really not that different from Americans, oh wait, yeah we are, we're not, whats the word... oh yeah, completely ignorant.
- rcomegys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Thought the article was titled "TV now in Canada"
Thought to myself, man, they really ARE behind the times up north. - pcyopick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I finally got through to TIVO yesterday. You need to buy a box from the States, AND have a credit card with an american address to pay the monthly fees.
So, my question is, how the hell can you say its available? No one can do both of those very easily. - Vancouver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0anybody On SHAW digital in BC have a tivo up and running?
- nairb2328, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Tivo works perfect with BEV in Canada (used on a Echostar 2700) - Progamming is accurate. Couldnt live without my Tivo & the HMO is excellent.
- sasj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm in Windsor and I've been using Tivo for about 2 years now. I paid the lifetime service fee and Tivo has been offering a phone number for updates for a while. I have it hooked to an American satellite system but for Windsor, because we are so close to the U.S. we can get the service. Not leagally but it works.
- avery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Has anyone used TiVo with Bell Expressvu up here? I've got the Expressvu PVR, but I've used TiVo down in the US at my parents place, and in comparison, Bell's PVR sucks.
Now that TiVo works up here, I'm kind of thinking about getting one.. I just want to know how good the program listings, etc are with Expressvu. - TetrisKid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Canadian Content Code
- Brereton55, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2oh US. why do u fight so much?
- azuldude, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Why would a Canadian need Tivo? There are only two channels, and they both show the same thing.
- nymphetamine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0oh canada. why do u lag so much?
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