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- philodygmn, on 05/25/2009, -2/+17His second rule, you get back data about a URL-indexed thing, is fraught with grave complications about the real-life impact of that data's content: in a word, privacy. He needs to prioritize an easy, standardized platform for managing identities and facilitating absolute control over one's data and complete granular command over who accesses it when and under what conditions: in a word, encryption, which last time I checked the US still classified as an international munition *rolling eyes* Intimate arbitration over data is even more important than his Linked Data objective, in both the short and long runs and it's a travesty so few people are pushing for it, in corporations' rush to get us all to spill our guts online and nobody quite doing their homework on just exactly what happens or how easy it really ought to be to establish a robust, responsible social networked infrastructure.
I'm thrilled with his idea of turning it on the legal system! - ripple123, on 05/25/2009, -1/+16kinda ironic that your talking about something you dont know a thing about, or have a ounce of real influence on.
- entropysteak, on 05/25/2009, -1/+14vague but exciting!
- Delphium226, on 05/25/2009, -0/+11Umm.... just because you use the net in certain ways, doesn't mean it isn't progressing in other real and meaningful ways.
- RicardoWilliams, on 05/25/2009, -0/+10He speaks so quick, you can tell he has a million things rushing through his brain lol
- Delphium226, on 05/25/2009, -1/+11It would be interesting to see the Linked Data concept merged with Wolfram Alphas computational capabilities. Instead of Wolfram Alpha using curated data it could optionally use linked data sets from external websites. Of course everyone would have to stick to standardised schemas, a non-trivial problem.
ps. Interesting interview with Wolfram re. WA toward the end of this podcast - http://twit.tv/195 - stockjones, on 05/25/2009, -0/+8Too much poprocks and soda have corroded your brain. Guys like Lee and Mark Anderseen are very relative today. You take for granted the concept of the internet, hypertext and browsers. You forget the web is still very young and who says its mostly static? Have you ever heard of web services? API's etc. The web of today is far more dynamic then the web of just 10 years ago.
Just thinking about new things like Wolfram Alpha. Can you even comprehend the logic and coding that had to be created for that site to do what it can? - Murms, on 05/25/2009, -0/+820 years ago, I bet they said that about the internet.
- rameznabel, on 05/25/2009, -1/+9***** YOU
- eanbowman, on 05/25/2009, -0/+7RAW
DATA
NOW! - Kakemonstere, on 05/25/2009, -0/+7Think about this, if we can get TONS of data stored somewhere you could make a program which takes all that data and makes a document out of it. E.g you could search for "top 10 biggest bridges in Europe and the history behind them", and then the program will look through the data, compare bridges in europe, take the biggest ones, then go look on each bridge and see how long time it took, how much it costed to make, who made it, find pictures of it and it will take all this and write a "decent" article. Like "Bridge A was built in 1985 and is located in England. John Johnson was the architect and it took 4 years to build. X amount of vehicles pass through this bridge every day. There has also been made a documentery of it "LINK"." This would make it A LOT easier accessing information on the web and it will all come in a easy readable format which includes pictures and ofc maybe a data box like on wikipedia. You don't need to find out all this information yourself and no one has to write it before you, because all the data that is needed to make an "article" about it allready exist as raw data!:D
- modernhumorist, on 05/25/2009, -0/+6To get his job, all you have to do is invent the World Wide Web!
- stockjones, on 05/25/2009, -1/+6Probably because the circle of knighthood discovered the internet in 2002 =P. Heck some CEO's are just now learning about this thing called the internet.
- gsnedders, on 05/25/2009, -0/+5The problem is he speaks very quickly… then has certain gaps…
When I saw him speak (keynote, W3C TPAC 2008 TP day) we had the power go down in the room: all we had was lights working. He questioned out loud, "Can you hear me all right at the back?" to which chaals (COO, Opera) heckled back, "If you speak slowly enough!" to everyone's laughter.
(Not really helpful, but a somewhat amusing memory.) - jolshwar, on 05/25/2009, -1/+6What I can't believe, is that here in the UK it took till (the end of) 2003 to get knighted! This man should be on money... he has easily made as large (if not larger) contribution as these guys:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknotes_of_the_poun ... - Navicerts, on 05/25/2009, -0/+5Google Maps™ is another great example of linked data. From sat photos, street view, personnel photos and movies linked to locations.
- widdershins, on 05/25/2009, -0/+5I thought he was quite good. Enthusiastic, which is important to make things interesting when you're talking about *yawn* data. It's strange how his accent's become Americanised, I suppose he's been living in the US for a long time.
- Snarfy, on 05/25/2009, -0/+5Encryption hasn't been a munition since Clinton was in office.
http://www.crn.com/it-channel/18807432 - MiddleOfNowhere, on 05/25/2009, -0/+4You are talking about the semantic web. And yes: a web of information the size of what we have today plus consistent semantics - that would be a true knowledge machine, one that could answer about any question.
Unfortunately, all the wonderful (and idiotic) things that make today's web have been typed by a million monkeys, each of them living in his own monkey sphere of ideas and concepts. They do not (and probably will never) share the same semantic concepts. Folksonomies and tags have eased the problem in certain areas, but still, there is no universal markup or query language to ask about "top 10 biggest bridges in Europe and the history behind them". The most obvious candidate to be tagged with proper semantic markup would be Wikipedia, but the best they have (from the enduser perspective) is categories. And that's a pity, because an easily accessible semantic interface to all this user-contributed knowledge would already cover a lot of ground. - eanbowman, on 05/25/2009, -0/+4It's interesting that he pointed to several examples that use available websites. At first I was imagining some kind of XML based format for storing bits of data that you've created yourself.
This data would be in a common XML based format that allowed others to find it much like an RSS feed with a meta tag available at the top of your website such as <meta name="shared-data" content="http://www.mysite.com/data.xml" />.
This would then be parsed by both your website for outputting cute tables and such but also by other people using your data for their own purposes.
What do you think? - astyguy, on 05/25/2009, -0/+4just think if every process on the planet could be mapped out and was searchable
- NeddieSeagoon, on 05/25/2009, -1/+5I'm thinking if all these independent data sources are going to be interconnected, the system will need some sort of error detection mechanism so that bad data can be flagged as unreliable and optionally ignored. Perhaps by querying other sources and tossing out the results that conflict too much. Because spammers WILL link spam messages to absolutely everything else almost immediately.
- billricardi, on 05/25/2009, -1/+4I've seen Tim before and I have the same impression of him today: He could blow the doors off of an auditorium if he would just work on his presentation skills!
It's OK to come off a little nerdy or a little mad-science at these things, in fact those are some of the most enjoyable presentations! But some people have the skills needed to riff, and others need a polished presentation to organize their thoughts. Tim is in the later category. Especially when you're talking about more vague concepts, you have to be able to hold it together with solid presentation. - inactive, on 05/25/2009, -0/+3No, he differentiated between documents and data. Wiki articles are documents, but he wants data in a form that computers can understand, combine, relate, and manipulate in interesting ways. Seems like a powerful idea.
- Ben1220, on 05/25/2009, -0/+3I wish wolfram alpha would show the working for its differential equation solutions like it does for its standard integrals...
- stockjones, on 05/25/2009, -1/+4linked data would be cool but for things like this to work fully everything and I mean everything would have to utilize exactly the same way for it to work. UPC codes, EDI, even java are things that were supposedly going to be universal and make things easy but no one ever sticks to the exact plan and things get differentiated or companies want to control the data so they build on something proprietary.
- HonoredMule, on 05/25/2009, -0/+3Don't feed trolls.
...or at least hold them to higher standards of subtlety.
They ought to at least have you believing THEY believe what they say. - MiddleOfNowhere, on 05/25/2009, -1/+4Sigh. Tim Berners-Lee did not invent the Internet (and it wasn't Al Gore either, and no, he didn't claim it). How many times will you people mix up these two?
Internet: First two ARPANET nodes connected in 1969; TCP protocols defined by Vint Cerf and Robert Kahn in 1973.
World Wide Web: "Invented" by Tim Berners-Lee in 1989, first implementation in 1990.
And while the man has done us all a great favor (turning the then-esoteric concept of cross-system hypertext into the reality that surrounds us today), let's use the term "invention" with a grain of salt here.
The concept of hypertext has been around for much longer (look up Douglas Engelbart, Ted Nelson, Xanadu - fascinating stuff). TBL took SGML, ripped out everything that seemed unnecessary (i.e., most of it) and called the remains HTML.
HTML plus HTTP has become a useful and extensible platform for, well, pretty much everything, but it is an "invention" in the same sense as the iPhone: a clever combination of existing technologies. Not less, not more.
So let's calm down. The man did the right thing at the right time, but "the Internet" is the result of many people doing many amazing things. - BrapAllgood, on 05/25/2009, -0/+3I read his proposal about that long ago and said to myself: "Good luck getting everyone to agree on a standardization." Well, lookee-there. They DID.
Just sayin'.... - eanbowman, on 05/25/2009, -0/+3Yes I was envisioning the google APIs when he was speaking. Where you can take data from any of their servies which offer it and use it in your own mashups. It's a pretty cool idea really.
- seantubridy, on 05/25/2009, -0/+3You invent the world wide web and then you get that job, that's how.
- seantubridy, on 05/25/2009, -1/+3This sounds so great but part of me can't help but imagine that all this data floating around will eventually lead to a sentient network that will kill us all!
- Delphium226, on 05/25/2009, -0/+2eh?
eh? - rameznabel, on 05/25/2009, -1/+3linked data is good idea and this is the future but technically we need a new query language that will extract the data from different sources , and unifying the format of data that is produced today is very hard at least not as HTML documents in early web as Tim mentioned , however what i can see today that we have a sub unified information sources around us like facebook for personal information , youtube for videos , flicker for photos , google docs and RSS for document data, also i see that as we have today a protocol for communication we need a protocol for the different type of data that will help achieve the new dream of Tim
- chamorro, on 05/25/2009, -0/+2My bad, thanks for the World Wide Web Tim!
- Ben1220, on 05/25/2009, -1/+3Tim Bernes Lee? vauge but exciting?
deja vu... - arizona01, on 05/26/2009, -0/+2Deja Vu?
Deja Vu? - thefredsociety, on 05/25/2009, -2/+4Poor comment?
- ploneglenn, on 05/25/2009, -0/+2This venerable father of the WWW has always advocated linking so it is not a big surprise that he would continue to do so even with a proposal to expose the underlying data of web pages in an easily machine readable way. http://ploneglenn.blogspot.com/2009/05/linking-is- ... expands on this topic and why the more commercial parts of the web have failed to listen this visionary and embrace what I believe to be the true, lasting value of the web.
- eanbowman, on 05/25/2009, -0/+2I understand your gripe here but I don't find it troubling at all. Then again I'm never building applications where I expect a user to enter query strings in the browser.
- MrContent, on 05/25/2009, -3/+5What's all this talk about this "dater" thingie...
- TheAuditor, on 05/25/2009, -0/+2He does have award of merit though, so that sort of makes up for the delay.
- punkcat, on 05/25/2009, -0/+2a normal man would have taken 30 minutes to say what he did in 16.
- philodygmn, on 05/25/2009, -0/+2Thanks for the correction, but good luck not being treated as a criminal for using it, was my main thrust. It would be wonderful if everything were bus schedules and dinner dates like you see in Stevenotes, but the reality is open data like that becomes vastly less useful when it can't be integrally connected to personal data, yet that personal data is never worth sacrificing in order to lubricate the wheels of one's real life. It appalls me there's no commensurate concern over exposure of the data accompanying his drive for its availability. I'd go so far as to say the glib erasure of the difference between personal and "useful" data is the naivety at the heart of the very worst statist abuses of personal liberty.
- redsoxmb545, on 05/25/2009, -1/+3Tim Berners-Lee is a parent at my school, Lexington High School. His daughter Alice is graduating with me this year and his son, Ben, is a freshman.
- spootmonkey, on 05/26/2009, -0/+2sparql? Linked data is really just another name for semantic web. We already have all the tools we need to make it happen. (RDF, OWL, etc...)
- iiiears, on 05/25/2009, -0/+1Is he saying that with enough "Raw Data" you can easily filter out spam noise?
That inference will make some data self correcting or quickly reveal hidden data?
Is he saying that with enough "Raw Data" you can easily filter out spam noise?
That inference will make some data self correcting or quickly reveal hidden data? - Pxtl, on 05/25/2009, -0/+1Thanks for making the web. Next time, could you design it so that we can develop web-apps with less than 5 different languages (albeit some are mark-up and styling languages) with their own syntaxes, keywords, and gotchas, please?
- boombye, on 05/25/2009, -0/+1poprocks is one of the most insane people on digg
- inactive, on 05/25/2009, -0/+1yeah, like http://www....
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