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- ericscampbell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The link: http://google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=17795&topic=368
is now off line.
It was live earlier today (1-26-06).
That's pretty sickening.
FYI: this is the text that Google just "deleted"
"Google does not censor results for any search term. The order and content of our results are completely automated; we do not manipulate our search results by hand. We believe strongly in allowing the democracy of the web to determine the inclusion and ranking of sites in our search results. To learn more about Google's search technology, please visit http://www.google.com/technology/index.html - algorejr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4There is a lot of talk about evil and laws and just doing what a specific government wants you to do in it's country to conduct business.
A point I would like to make is that this a major turning point for Google and this affects each one of us that uses Google if you just think of China and the U.S. as Markets instead of countries, laws, morality, and boarders.
If China will be an Internet market that is 10 times larger than the North American Market, the communist influenced censorship rules will filter into the North American Market in the years to come.
This is how it affects each one of us. Google will ultimately be driven by the largest market share and develop it's products based upon the influence of this majority.
It's Google.cn today, but in the next couple of months or years Google.com will contain algorithms, code, and communist censorship from the Google.cn product.
I am disgusted by what is presented on google.cn, but also because I'm looking out for #1, I am concerned that when I search Google.com or use any google product that this new censorship relationship will be integrated across the board.
For example, what if China government officials favor a particular candidate in the upcoming U.S. elections, how will this influence search results on Google.com? No laws will be broken in the U.S. to stop Google from doing this.
Or now that a political party can directly supply rules to DELETE competitors views, at point will Google solicit the U.S. Democratic Party or Republican Party to influence search results and propaganda for U.S. elections with this new DELETION algorithm perfected on Google.cn? - Zedtech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think google isnt "being evil". They are offering their services to another country/government and abiding by their standards.
I think they're doing what they believe is right - in order to bring the people of China their awesome technology. Sure, its censored, but without the censorship, Google would cease to exist in China.
Give them some credit here. - lordthor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2then get the ***** out of my country you ignoranty ungrateful little *****.
- jseraf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i'm not sure that the importance of this can be overstated. google is making a massive mistake and opening themselves to a credibility problem.
quite simply, there is right and there is wrong. given google's very public stance against the recent government subpoena of search data, this decision seems at best contradictory. at worst, it goes against everything they claim to stand for. i'm disgusted. - BluParadox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"disposablerob,
Your search produces a lot of on-topic kazaa lite links. What was censored?"
A few links were removed due to a DMCA request. I believe around 10 sites were removed total. If you look at the bottom of that page there is info letting you know how many sites were removed from that search, why they were removed, and they even link to where you can find the request (which contains the addresses of all the censored sites). Basically google is complying with the letter of the law here but still giving you access to the information if you really want it.
I really don't understand why everyone is blaming google for this. Because of googles efforts china finally has a search engine that is not government run. Sure it's a long way from perfect, but it's a huge step up from what they've had in the past, and it's definately the best any company could hope to do without its own army. It seems obvious that the censorship would not exist if not for the chinese governments rules on the matter... - p3lEr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1oh well just ***** every goverments in this world
- gator99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Google should buy some tanks from the Chinese government and crush them like insects. The pictures for the new internet search would look the same, except you'd see Google written on the side of the tanks.
- Phyrefly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hey Americans,
Stop criticizing the lack of rights in other countries and focus on what your gov't is doing to your own "rights".
kthxbai - Iccanui, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For crying out loud. How is google being evil by doing what a country tells them they want them to do.
Wake up america, no matter how wonderful we think we are we are not the end all be all of human existence. China has its ways and we have to respect their wishes cause, sit down for this...., its THEIR country. OMG, people actualy think differently then we do.
Google isnt evil, they are applying a business model so they can access a part of the planet that is very important to their growth.
Stop trying to demonize everything big companies do. Its like those anti microsoft people that will swear up and down they are evil and make horrible products and whatever else the people say. Hey guess what, go get certified and learn to use their products and maybe you willf ind out that its actualy pretty damn good for a business enviroment. Not everyone has time to search the net for 3 days to get something to work in linux or whatever.
My point is, stop going on a witch hunt people. Stop raising the alarm over stupid stuff like google adhering to a countries government's request and go impeach bush. If you really wanna deal with evil then organize and stop the downward spiral this country is going down and save us from the prescripted events they are trying to force into existence.
Sorry if it was harsh and im sure it falls on deaf ears, but i needed to say it. - solo1113, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Someday the actual number of people oppressed and killed by China will come out. When will people learn that pandering to governments like this only feeds their fire.
- Craig1394, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This whole thing is ridiculous. Don't blame Google, blame the Chinese government. The censorship is not Google's, it is China's. If you don't like what Google is doing, then tell the Chinese government to stop censoring information. In the U.S, we live in a free information society, the Chinese people do not. If you want to do business in a particular country, you do so according to their laws and rules, whether you agree with them or not.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1oh come ON, google isnt being evil, its china thats evil. google is only following the laws of the land else they wont be allows to operate there (along with china's billion populace)
- unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i don't Hate the PRC or US corporations working in CN i hate the propaganda department Of all GOv'ts thats blocks free speech, forming unions and worker cooperatives
Also, Amazon's A9 search engine is quite powerful, especially for "local" searches: http://www.a9.com
In the Firefox browser, you can make any of these your default search engine, by clicking on the built-in search box drop-down menu, add selecting "Add Engines"
from reporters without borders. Using sensitive search terms would stop you from using google entirely for half an hour (thanks to China gov filtering, not google).
Now from what I understand at least the search engine will continue working, and even tell you that some results have been blocked by a government policy. Neither Yahoo or MSN tells you this in their filtered results and it's most important as it lets users know "there's some truth missing here", which they might then try to access using anonymous proxys etc..
Also don't forget the greater evils committed by the alternatives to Google previously - Yahoo helping prison the journalist Shi Tao and Microsoft closing blogs..
Suppose Yahoo or Microsoft would be at least as good targets for a protest.. Or perhaps Cisco, which provides the "great firewall" hardware..
Anyway, I hope the protest served to remind Google about their motto so that their google-filtered china search engine will hopefully be a better alternative than what was previously available inside the "great firewall".
from today on i will changed my homepage to >
'GOOGLE DONT BE EVIL' - ericscampbell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Extremely F'ed up (most disturbing search difference I've seen between censored & non-censored Google)
http://images.google.com/images?q=tiananmen
http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen - theman8631, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0*****
*****
GOOGLE DOES NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL IN THE LIMITATION OF SEARCHES
IF GOOGLE IS IN CHINA THIS IS WHAT THEY MUST DO AND WILL DO
IF ANYTHING, THIS IS GOING TO LOWER CENSORSHIP BY IMPROVING THE TRANSFER OF INFORMATION - logofpi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i think people are coming around to the fact that we have no reason to believe that the google search is at all objective. If this search is influenced by profit, advertisements, pressure from goverments, then it is no better than any other search.
Google: CREAM $$ billz y'all - cooleo_no1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0666 diggs.
Genius. - keiko61215, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Después de que Google acepto la censura del gobierno chino para poder operar los servidores de sus búsqueda en territorio chino, ha habido una avalancha de duras criticas criticas en su contra. Desde este enlace tienen más imágenes. Vía telendro
- Iccanui, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Exactly dude. Thank god you posted. I dont feel like im going insane now.
- RexStJames, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I understand people's disappointment here, but what is the alternative? If Google hadn't agreed to do this, then China would do what it does for so many other sites on the internet - block it. That's right kids, China filters what people in the country can visit on the internet. This means that google had a choice. Either allow its users to access a crippled version of its service, or not allow them to access it at all. It's a ***** choice to have to make, but would you really expect them to chose the alternative?
- teh_toaster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Wish there was more content tho.
- Corgana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't understand what the deal is anyway, if google didn't comply, then china would probably just block the entire page, denying their citizens the single most useful web tool.
- ericscampbell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Don't be evil"
Oh the irony. - devwal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1RE:"Yea, taking pictures of the sky really show that they are at the Google Complex. Also, because they are wearing short sleeved shirts shows that they must not know what cold is."
#1.) The group has chapters at the Stanford and UC-Berkeley campuses. (AP Photo/Dino Vournas)
#2.) I don't know where you live, but I'm from WI, and anywhere in California is generally warmer than here.
#3.) Some of them are wearing jackets
Carry on... - zediker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Bad Google! No Cookie! GO TO YOUR ROOM!
- cheese06, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1its quite obvious why google bows down to China. profits baby, all about profits. how many billions of potential users in China? how many in Tibet? just 6 millon? nuff said.
- ivancio, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Students for a Free Tibet press release: http://studentsforafreetibet.org/article.php?id=791
And on their blog, with more pics, " Your search - "Tibet" and "Freedom" - did not match any documents...." http://tibetwillbefree.blogspot.com/2006/01/your-search-tibet-and-freedom-did-not.html - yellowmello, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Google has turned into one of those companies rage against the machine was talking about.
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"""""i'm not sure that the importance of this can be overstated. google is making a massive mistake and opening themselves to a credibility problem."""""""""""
Well, everyone else did it. It sucks but it is true. What search engine could you use?
Eric Wilson - 0Troy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0AKA, google loses all kudos it had for holding out on the Bush administration by being punks.
- Filoviridae, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@erko
US doesn't want to risk a war with China...there's no way they'd win. They don't have near the army. - jim45804, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I am still unwilling to condemn Google as "evil." Regardless of how many search results China blocks, there will be information leaks from seemingly benign websites that will compromise their security precautions. The Internet is an astronomically enormous shared space, and no amount of policing can stymie all subversive content. Workarounds can and will be found, as they have before.
The more market share Google enjoys in China, the greater the chances these information leaks will occur. With this in mind I'll give Google the benefit of the doubt on their decision to censor search results. It's far, far better than the Chinese government developing their own search engine. - usermac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Use "Safari Enhancer" for Mac OS X to change your default search from Google to anything else.
- kcappraiser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Google is merely obeying the laws of the land in much the same way IBM did when they helped Count the Jews for Nazi Germany"
Freaking amen GuineaPig, I don't think anybody has said it better yet. The Nuremberg defense is not going to work. - lordthor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yay Google.
***** China. - Filoviridae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0More to do with the Chinese govt than Google. Either the people got something or nothing is more like it. Living there has to be like living the 1984 novel.
- ersatzphi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@plmnpl
So is communism an ideal or a rock band? I'm confused. I guess I will ever be no know. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Meanwhile, google continues to stand up against the U.S. government to protect our rights.
China has a government we do not agree with. Who says that google has to jump into international affairs.
A censored google is better than no google. - MoFoKeR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0oh those crazy commies......price u pay doing business overseas..or anywhere
- urothane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0First of all I firmly beleive all people should be free so ...FREE TIBET (and China too).
Secondly Google is a business, businesses have to follow rules just like citizens. If you are speeding you will be punished. If google wants to play ball in China they censor, let them go do it. They are fighting for US citizens by refusing to submit search info to the government. We get this ability because we have freedoms and rights that the Chinese do not.
Lastly....China oppresses many people. When the number come to light, I am betting the number will be a google..... - bjwest, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1What a bunch of hypocrites. It's OK for other business' to follow China's laws to do business in China, but not for Google? Take a good look at that last electronics need-to-have doohickey you bought. Chances are it was manufactured in China. Those designer clothes your waring? Sewn together by adolescent children, most likely in China, for < $.25 a day. If you in the US really want to complained to someone, go knock on WalMart's doors. Due to their low prices, quite a bit of the welfare money goes to WalMart so they're funneling your hard-earned tax dolloars into the Chinese economy.
Google did what it had to do in order to get into that market, just as they've done in in Eastern Europe, and any other country they do business with. - jpyun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Interesting comparison links, credit to an AC from slashdot:
Google.com:
http://images.google.com/images?q=tiananmen
Google.cn (censored):
http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen - DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That title should read "White and/or Hispanic Students From America Protest Google's Headquarters in America (where they have the freedom to protest this sort of thing) Rather Than Go To China And Protest The Source Of The Censorship, China (because they would be arrested)."
- laughterkillsme, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Google censors thousands of sites at a time, nothing new. That is the way of the world, and now the way of the internet.
- mstar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The whole "Don't be evil" motto wasn't just saying the Google won't do nasty things, but that we could trust Google not to act like just any other company. So much for that.
A limited Google is NOT better than no google at all. If google wants to be just like any other company then change your Mission Statement, "Be A Grey-Area". - algorejr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Google "fighting the U.S." is what politicians, radio stations, and companies are practicing today to gain favor with their audience. Google wanted to send a message to China saying "we hate the U.S. too, how about letting us be the predominant search engine technologies provider?"
This will affect North American users more than China, as the "Google fighting the U.S." already proves my point. I don't believe Google would fight the U.S. if they weren't influenced by China and the desire to provide the communist Google.cn product.
Google.com and other products you use will be influenced by the majority of users and not the minority. Communist China demands will affect your use of Google.com eventuality and the image results we see, and "googling" to complete our research papers. - modpancake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Here's a story linking to some screenshots of what Google has censored out:
http://digg.com/links/Sites_Google_Agreed_to_Censor - neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Wonderfull so by a marketshare we will all be communist mandarin speakers.
***** China & ***** Google. Esp ***** Yahoo for turning in people. - neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0no google is better than censored google.
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