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- inactive, on 04/11/2008, -19/+131This is why software patents are evil.
There is NOTHING unique about saving one file at the same time you play another.
Thank the moronic Patent Dept. for this one.
Yet again the American people get screwed so some greedy ***** can make a few bucks.
This patent was OBVIOUS, only the US would be dumb enough to give it to Tivo. - adrianblack, on 04/11/2008, -4/+85From Dish's site:
"The decision, however, will have no effect on our current or future customers because EchoStar's engineers have developed and deployed 'next-generation' DVR software to our customers' DVRs. This improved software is fully operational, has been automatically downloaded to current customers, and does not infringe the Tivo patent at issue in the Federal Circuit's ruling."
http://dish.client.shareholder.com/releasedetail.c ... - mrpither, on 04/11/2008, -3/+35*FALSE*
the patents in question deal with OLD dish dvrs. all recent dish dvrs do not use the code in question. do not panic - all is well - remain calm. do a little browsing around dbstalk or satellite guys and you'll see what's actually going on.
buried as inaccurate. - darthdallas, on 04/11/2008, -17/+46what a bunch of a**holes dish was... they knew they were going to lose and now only their customers (like me) will ultimately pay
- MagnumVP, on 04/11/2008, -9/+38Just to be on the safe side I would recommend to all Dish subscribers to go home and turn OFF your auto update software. That way they can't push down an update to "disable" some features.
- Scheissen, on 04/11/2008, -16/+36All the proof you need to realize that patents are anti-competitive and government protected monopolies.
- inactive, on 04/11/2008, -3/+21You guys have been pwnd by inaccuracy. This does not affect current DISH customers. At. All. Relax.
I have Dish and Love it, and hate DirecTV and cable. Charlie Ergin rules! - exomni, on 04/11/2008, -3/+19"Intellectual property" is a ***** joke nowadays. Thanks to the huge corporations and lobbyists, whatever benefit patents and copyrights may once have had are now exaggerated to the point of obesity.
- inactive, on 04/11/2008, -3/+18Dish is not turning off the DVR. Read here....
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=125680 - Skitzzo, on 04/11/2008, -8/+22yeah, how dare they protect their patent!
- karmakanic, on 04/11/2008, -8/+21You'll say that until it's YOUR patent they're violating.
- KMartSheriff, on 04/11/2008, -0/+13HD only works half the time? I've had Dish for years and have never had any problems with their HD channels. Are you surrounded by oodles of trees or something?
- cquinnd, on 04/11/2008, -2/+14It wasn't even about protecting their patent... They were able to clearly show that Dish stopped working with Tivo on a licensed DVR then turned around and created one based on the same designs.
- cquinnd, on 04/11/2008, -5/+17This was a win on hardware patents as well.
- spikedtuba, on 04/11/2008, -1/+13Group of trees = Forest
- Antares29, on 04/11/2008, -3/+14Can I have your computer?
- Sabazou, on 04/11/2008, -7/+17GAY? This isn't Junior High, although sometimes I do wonder
- TheBigBad, on 04/11/2008, -2/+12As opposed to what, cable? You are out of your freakin' mind.
- inactive, on 04/11/2008, -5/+14What stupid ***** logic. Patents are extremely important, and without them, I guarantee technology would slow down. Researching and developing new products takes a LOT of money, and patents protect new development so it's not stolen and copied the second it's released.
It's not a perfect system, and SOFTWARE patents are a whole other issue at hand, but the concept is still good. - Insimbi, on 04/11/2008, -4/+13" ENGLEWOOD, Colo. – April 11, 2008 – DISH Network Corporation (NASDAQ: DISH) issued the following statement regarding recent developments in the Tivo Inc. v. EchoStar Communications Corp. lawsuit:
“We are disappointed that the Federal Circuit did not grant our petition for rehearing. The decision, however, will have no effect on our current or future customers because EchoStar’s engineers have developed and deployed ‘next-generation’ DVR software to our customers’ DVRs. This improved software is fully operational, has been automatically downloaded to current customers, and does not infringe the Tivo patent at issue in the Federal Circuit’s ruling.
All DISH Network customers can continue to use their DVRs without any interruption or changes to the award-winning DVR features and services provided by DISH Network.
We intend to appeal the Federal Circuit’s ruling to the United States Supreme Court.” - brundlefly76, on 04/11/2008, -1/+10here is another area where diggers always flip-flop - everyone is always anti-patent - unless its a patent for a consumer product they like!
- kyelewis, on 04/11/2008, -1/+10Burried as inaccurate- from the DISH network press release:
"The decision, however, will have no effect on our current or future customers because EchoStar's engineers have developed and deployed 'next-generation' DVR software to our customers' DVRs. This improved software [..] does not infringe the Tivo patent"
The TiVo Patent Win was upheld, but it seems there will be DVR going forward for these customers. - mrsteveman1, on 04/11/2008, -0/+8Yea, hows that comcast working out for you? Time warner sucks too. I've seen both systems overcompress their channels, i haven't thus far seen DTV or Dish do this.
- BayAreaKing, on 04/11/2008, -1/+9So what actually was the patent they were fighting for?
- bitterbug, on 04/11/2008, -2/+9Kind of like Microsoft did with Windows NT?
(no, it's not a troll. IBM and Microsoft were working together toward OS/2 when MS split to make and release NT) - turpenine, on 04/11/2008, -3/+10WOO DISH FANBOI
- lacronicus, on 04/11/2008, -6/+12patents are a completely necessary system, as it is the only thing making sure that average joe inventor doesn't get screwed over by big companies who take his ideas for their own profit. Sure, the way it's set up now is pretty bad, but that hardly means the alternative is a good solution.
- jesswa, on 04/12/2008, -0/+6"We are disappointed that the Federal Circuit did not grant our petition for rehearing. The decision, however, will have no effect on our current or future customers because EchoStar's engineers have developed and deployed 'next-generation' DVR software to our customers' DVRs. This improved software is fully operational, has been automatically downloaded to current customers, and does not infringe the Tivo patent at issue in the Federal Circuit's ruling.
"All DISH Network customers can continue to use their DVRs without any interruption or changes to the award-winning DVR features and services provided by DISH Network.
"We intend to appeal the Federal Circuit's ruling to the United States Supreme Court."
http://dish.client.shareholder.com/releasedetail.c ... - fkr3, on 04/11/2008, -0/+6Flocks?
- doublsh0t, on 04/11/2008, -8/+14hmm, to trust blogs or not to trust blogs? how bout a more official source?
- skubiszm, on 04/11/2008, -6/+12I guess they will have to change those commercials that say their DVR is better than Tivo.
- H3avyC, on 04/11/2008, -1/+7Only Dish Network's older generation of DVRs violates the patent. If you spend any time at all on the satelliteguys message boards or the dbstalk boards, this has been a non-issue ever since the case was brought to court. The current generation 622/722 and some of the others are all perfectly fine. Dish will not be turning off their DVRs. Just for the sake of argument, even if the most current DVRs were in violation, there's no way Dish would not be paying to license the "patent".
- davidrools, on 04/11/2008, -0/+6he's talking about patents in general.
- adrianblack, on 04/11/2008, -1/+7There is this too:
"In particular, Rogers was dismissive of Dish’s suggestion that it developed a “workaround” for its DVR service that doesn’t infringe on TiVo’s patent.
“We remain very, very skeptical of any workaround EchoStar has put forward,” he added. “Their claims through the course of litigation have been shown to be totally incorrect, and we feel that this claim will be seen to be totally incorrect, as well.” - inactive, on 04/11/2008, -4/+9Yeah...companies should spend tens of millions of dollars researching and developing a new innovative system just so their competitors can buy the first one, backwards engineer it, tweak the design a little, and compete with them, for less than a million dollars.
- bitterbug, on 04/11/2008, -1/+6I was chased by a group of trees once... Run Forest, Run!
- NTolerance, on 04/11/2008, -1/+6Be very weary of any DVR software developed by a service provider. Time Warner switched from using Pioneer's DVR software to their own in-house software and it's a complete disaster.
- colin8651, on 04/11/2008, -0/+5I'm sure they have the "If we mess up,it will be your problem not ours" clause.
- rdldr1, on 04/11/2008, -0/+5That Dish Network commerical is BS. Who rated their DVR better than Tivo? Cnet. Money talks, especially at Cnet where their advertising team works directly with their editorial staff.
- exomni, on 04/11/2008, -3/+8Yay! Screw competition!
- inactive, on 04/12/2008, -1/+6I'm against all SOFTWARE patents. While DVR is a very good invention, it's by no means an original one from TiVo. So... I don't think I'd support this one.
- sassip, on 04/12/2008, -1/+6TiVo was there first. And they still are THE BEST! They delivered what VCR's were supposed to do 20 years ago. Now, it's all about licensing and a potential award of treble damages, could be 600M to TivO from Dish. The judge has discretion and I don't think he will like the "We're better than TiVo" ads that ran despite the litigation. They, Dish, lost in the lower court, appealed and lost, then asked for another appeal, and were denied. Dish = Denial.
We'll see what happens, they won't let their DVR's get turned off, they will pay a licensing fee... - uberdilly, on 04/11/2008, -0/+5Yea, we are pretty elite.
- Jrr6415sun, on 04/11/2008, -4/+9yea screw patents, if I spend 100 million on research to develop something any company should be able to profit off my hard work.
- jer2eydevil88, on 04/11/2008, -0/+4MythTV will live on, probably with a disclaimer saying its not legal to use in the States.
- amawg9, on 04/11/2008, -0/+4TiVo now receives royalties from Dish rival DirecTV through 2010 and has signed deals with cable providers Comcast and Cox Communications to license the DVR technology. http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7010369361
- CrazedLeper, on 04/12/2008, -0/+4You can borrow it--If I can borrow your car. :-)
- tnoy, on 04/11/2008, -2/+6MythTV will keep its 0.1% userbase.
- solidus636, on 04/12/2008, -0/+4I had Dish and i switched to Cable for about 5 days. I turned back around and never went back. Their customer service sucks(althought I expected that from Comcast), and their menus are EXTREMELY sluggish.
- pasher1221, on 04/11/2008, -2/+6Looks like this will not interrupt Dish DVR service. http://dish.client.shareholder.com/releasedetail.c ...
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