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- doiveo, on 01/02/2009, -4/+41tick tick tick. That leaves about 3-4 years for IPv6 and there is still much work to do.
- oboshoe, on 01/03/2009, -2/+26IPV4 has had about 3 to 4 years of life left in it for about 15 years now.
Having said that, I think you are right. about 3 to 5 years, IPv6 is going to "pop" big.
Its already being test deployed here and there. If IP is your thing, learn it now and you can make some good money in a few years by being one the few IPv6 pros. - Phawkes, on 01/02/2009, -9/+27Mr. Babyman submitted the same thing one minute after you lol With the *exact same title* no less!
- BabyWookie, on 01/03/2009, -7/+20LOL. This is a dupe of a MrBabySpam submission. One giant douchebag duping another giant douchebag's submission! How hilariously ironic! At least MrBabySpam is not a "social media marketer" like this guy is. Keep up burying the powerusers, Diggers!
- InorganicMatter, on 01/03/2009, -2/+15Okay seriously, the "Related by Key Word" thing is stupid. It just suggested a "09 F9 11 2 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" post from the big revolt.
- badqat, on 01/02/2009, -1/+14Not to mention, he probably was submitting it at the same time - thus, by the time he actually subbed it, it had become a dupe.
- lolupissed, on 01/03/2009, -11/+21Both are power diggers bury em
- doiveo, on 01/03/2009, -1/+10So, getting back on topic ...
I see cellphones as the big test. The number of fully connected phones is going to explode this year and next despite (in spite of) a recession. The number of IPs need to connect these marginal devices will accelerate the need for IPv6. - scy1192, on 01/03/2009, -0/+8IPv6 has space for around 34,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 addresses. Something tells me we won't need an IPv7 due to address restraints
- dusanmal, on 01/03/2009, -2/+8One needs to look at the actual usage, not the "squirreled away" addresses. I can't find the link at the moment, but search and you'll find the recent (2008) study that finds only about half of registered IPv4 addresses actually used. Adding to it almost a bil' of yet unregistered ones we come to the picture of 1/4 of IPv4 space in actual use (or about 1 bil' out of 4 bil'). Not a crisis in any sense of the word.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -4/+10This ***** has got to stop. It's a tech story on the front page, I'm just ***** glad to see one. I could give a ***** if Stalin submitted it....
- JamesBondJr, on 01/02/2009, -6/+11maybe because that was the title on the article
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -1/+6wow so much ignorance and stupidity captured in one sentence. well played
- 11oops, on 01/03/2009, -1/+5I guess arstechnica is paying big money.... Funny, they seem to be on the frontpage a lot lately and always thanks to MMB or msaleem. ***** them both.
- t0x2c, on 01/03/2009, -0/+4Don't feed the troll
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -0/+4Sorry, but you're dead wrong. All of those IP addresses that have been allocated are as good as used. When it comes to organizations requesting a new allocation, the RIR can't just go looking around and tell Network A that, since they're not using some of their addresses, they're gonna go ahead and allocate those to Network B instead. No, the RIR has to pull unallocated addresses out of it's ass and give them away. Thus, the "squirreled away" addresses are what actually matters.
The only thing that can really help is registries tightening their belts and being more stringent about making sure the networks receiving address space have used their previous allocations. However, this has been going on for quite some time now, at least with ARIN, who require you to show that you're using something like 75 or 80% of your previously allocated address space, and require specifics on any allocation larger than a /28.
The IPv4 address space shortage is real. - AReallyGoodName, on 01/03/2009, -0/+4It's a bit hard to do NAT at the ISP level.
It would work for basic web browsing but if you wanted to do something like playing a peer-to-peer game you'd need to have some way for the other peer to connect to you. That's pretty much impossible if neither player has an actual internet address to connect to.
I do agree there will be many NAT address only ISPs in the future but i think everyone will quickly learn to avoid them.
I have seen Telstra NextG Browsing Packs that give you a NAT address based internet connection. In fact i know people do avoid these types of connections right now. - defyant, on 01/03/2009, -0/+3it amazes me still that in 2009 people still think that IPv4 & NAT are not a problem...Wake up people IPv6 is the only solution
- Ogopogo, on 01/03/2009, -0/+3Check out the ARIN fee schedule at: http://www.arin.net/billing/fee_schedule.html
Looks like only deep pockets can hold onto a significant block of IP numbers.
My little low-rent Class C space in 'the swamp' is costing me $100. a year now.
"the swamp" ? http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=arin+%22th ... - slingr, on 01/03/2009, -1/+4Wouldn't most fully connected phones be issued an internet IP of their carrier provider?
Every time I use my Nokia N95 as a USB modem it issues me a Class A internal IP address. - reddikilowatt, on 01/03/2009, -1/+4While lazyness may be a factor (and the very real costs of reallocation), I've worked on a WLAN project with a few IT people at a major east coast university a few years back. The folks I dealt with were some of the most arrogant jerks I ever had to work with in my career. They spent a lot of time telling me about their fiber optic backbone and how they just upgraded to 100baseFX to get ready for Internet 2, and how everyone on campus (even the dorms) had a static IP address because they have several class A subnets. You'd better believe they know what they have and aren't going to give it up easily.
The sad thing is, the colleges could easily be the ones spearheading the move to IPv6. They have a very large turnover in client hardware (many kids throw out their PC at the end of the spring semester), and they generally don't have a lot of interaction with the outside world. The only issue may be that they don't have a lot of control over what goes on their network (professors love to run their own servers, kids wiring up the coke machines, etc), a controlled roll out would be much easier than trying to get ISPs to do it first. And doesn't the Internet2 already run IPv6?
Besides that, most technology ***** happen in business much later than in universities. - MrViklund, on 01/03/2009, -0/+2Well the real problem is that allot of addresses are stuck in large sub nets of companies and universities in USA. These companies and Universities were allotted these large address spaces when Internet was young and there was plenty to go around. No one thought about this problem at the time. Large portions of addresses that are not in use but can't be released without some work. It would probably free up millions of IP addresses. Maybe more. But they are too lazy.
- chicagospur, on 01/03/2009, -0/+2IP V4 has 4 billion possible addresses. With the use of NAT, and carriers issuing NAT'd addresses to their customers consolidated behind real addresses, IP V4 could be around indefinitely.
- AReallyGoodName, on 01/03/2009, -2/+4The ISPs don't allocate the same IP to a whole bunch of devices (that just wouldn't work). They allocate you a unique internet addressable IPv4 address out from a pool of IPv4 addresses they own everytime you connect with them.
So everytime you use your Nokia as a modem your ISP has to have an IPv4 address ready to assign it. This is 1 less IPv4 address that nobody else on the internet can use. - doiveo, on 01/03/2009, -0/+2not too functionally I'm afraid.
- doshindude, on 01/03/2009, -1/+3ahh...such good memories...that was a hilarious week.
- Devroush, on 01/03/2009, -2/+4arstechnica went down because of Digg? No way.
- ssavoy, on 01/03/2009, -0/+1I don't think you fully understand...
- MrViklund, on 01/03/2009, -0/+1?
- slingr, on 01/03/2009, -1/+2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dUm7SkM3a4&fea ...
- MrViklund, on 01/03/2009, -0/+1?
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -9/+9Bot of them will make it to the front page because both of them have sheep followers who will auto digg whatever they see....
- dawnraid101, on 01/03/2009, -2/+1*WTMI
- oboshoe, on 01/03/2009, -2/+1TMI
- mpn401, on 01/03/2009, -3/+2I'd welcome the switch to IPv6 but its implementation on Windows XP is ***** as all *****. It hung the system repeatedly on my old computer until I disabled it.
- inactive, on 01/04/2009, -1/+0Um, apparently you've never worked in ecommerce or any type of marketing/advertising.
Every single online store, even things like ad sense, get fraudulent transactions where the vast majority of them, literally 90% and above, originate from China.
Next time educate yourself before looking like an idiot - this info has been pretty common place for the past 7 years or so.
It's a *huge* problem because their govt doesn't do ***** about it. - inactive, on 01/03/2009, -3/+2It is getting very to close to the time for IPv6. After that - it will be even less time before we will need IPv7. Be nice if we could jump on this early before it slaps us, or rather the people you will need it, in the face.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -4/+2***** MSPAMleem! heh eh - I made it up see.
- coretemplate, on 01/03/2009, -3/+0no problem, this crisis will reduce that
- aFloppyFish, on 01/03/2009, -13/+9The year in my dick: none served.
- lolupissed, on 01/03/2009, -25/+20Buried for power digger
- feebes, on 01/03/2009, -17/+12Bury this and show the power users we are tired of it
- glhf, on 01/03/2009, -6/+1Which is worse, oil crisis or this?
- judicar, on 01/03/2009, -18/+13buried
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -6/+1***** the RIAA?
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -15/+9Go away power digger.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -8/+1The internet should just collectively ban China from everything considering 90% of activity coming from that country is some type of fraud.
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