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The Way Digg's Comment System Should Look [Pic]

img338.imageshack.us — Why is it that the Digg Podcast section's comment system looks way nicer? It implements the ability to reply to nested comments (more than one level), but yet still keeps the look that we have been familiar with and have grown to use. Is it just me, or is this how Digg's entire comment system should look/work? (This pic is from the podcast section)

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  • _Caboose_, on 10/11/2007, -8/+119Well, the podcasts section is still in beta after all... maybe they're testing it for site-wide release?

    Also, I agree it should look that way, but not necessarily work the same. For example, I like the way the buried comments unhide on the current system - very smooth. In the podcasts section it's too choppy. But maybe I'm just nitpicking :)
    • killerofkiller, on 10/11/2007, -34/+6damn u beat me to it...i knew i should of submitted it when i made that comment
      http://digg.com/tech_news/Digg_Commenting_System_Fixed_in_podcast_section_at_least_screenshot/
      • AhrenBa, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23Dude, don't worry about it. As long as the message gets out, right? That's what counts. ;)
      • rebrad, on 10/11/2007, -15/+8Hey Digg had to dumb down their look so it would almost fit and almost look good on an iPhone and not max out it memory. Instead they just ***** it up for everyone with a convoluted piece of garbage that hurts to look at.
        • artofwar420, on 10/11/2007, -13/+3What?! Your head is ***** up, ever heard of Digg river?
    • smackywentz, on 10/11/2007, -23/+2It looks that way because the user is using Greasemonkey with this script:
      http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/10099
      • inspecality, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15No, I am not running that script and it looks just like in the picture.
      • BlackOp, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Nope, it is that way in the podcast section.
    • donkeyshow, on 10/11/2007, -4/+89thats way better...the new format sucks
      • seanroth, on 10/11/2007, -15/+4I actually like the new format, besides the fact that it hides some at the bottom. The part I like about this current style is the guidelines on the left. It makes it really easy to visually see who replied to who. Just follow the line up. This gets confusing after a bunch of replies if there's no lines.
        • IbnDigg, on 10/11/2007, -5/+4Yeah the guidelines are useful. But why doesn't the main comment have a guideline?
          • championchap, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2Underneath this main comment there is a darker blue line giving you the option to hide comments yes?
            Well follow the guideling down from that and you know what it says? "Reply to donkeyshow's comment." Guess who posted the root comment here? OH EM GEE! IT WAS DONKEYSHOW!

            Open your eyes before your mouth.
      • brainboy77, on 10/11/2007, -9/+1NO *****! I guess the two other stories that got like 6,000 diggs about hating the new system got through, you ***** *****!
    • epyon180, on 10/11/2007, -1/+37I agree with that but I have to say that the current comment system has way too much stuff going on. I prefer the clean look of the old comment system. And I hate the black text on white background look of the current comments.
      • solohan, on 10/11/2007, -3/+27Yep, new Format sucks.
      • themastersb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3At least you can see comments of a person you blocked now
    • defectDS, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15http://digg.com/podcasts/Diggnation/499486

      Digg Record.
      • defectDS, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5And yet the page still loads faster than the new comment system.... hmmm.
    • patik, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3The pic is exactly what my screen does look like. Just install these two Greasemonkey scripts:

      http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/10101
      http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/10099
    • cawpin, on 10/11/2007, -11/+2That's what this thread looks like right now. I don't know what you guys are talking about. They fixed the comment issues about 3 days after they released the new system. I can reply to any post on here.
    • SamKellett, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1You can get almost that by adding two lines of CSS (Firebug, Greasemonkey, Stylish, etc...):

      .c-replies { border-left: none; }
      .c-box { display: none; }
    • jeolmeun, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I like the new comment system at Shacknews.com or the previous version at TechReport.com.
  • misterpony, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21The advantages of threading without the cluttered look. It doesn't have the other updates though (clickable usernames in header bar, built in reply box). Wonder if they're testing it or it's been this way since the new comment system was dropped on us and no one has noticed until now. Doesn't say much for the Podcasts section...fyi, here's a link: http://digg.com/podcasts/Diggnation/499486#c7300
    • chickentonight, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Yeah I really recommend following misterpony's link and playing around with that version of the comment system. Soooooo much better. (Except they need a nesting limit!)
    • estvir, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9> The advantages of threading without the cluttered look.

      It's amazing how fast it loads without all the bloat. I recently started using/reading Reddit and I realised how incredibly simply yet 'perfect' (Compared to Digg) their comment system is and other sites like /. have been doing it for years yet Digg managed to screw up something that simple.

      Anyway, it's a good thing they're listening and hopefully they'll either implement the Podcasts comment system site-wide or find a happy medium between 'Cool!' and 'Functional.'
    • jspegele, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2I don 't understand what makes that system so much better? How the hell can you tell who is replying to who? Even with a nesting limit, it would still be very difficult to follow those threads.
    • Dgen_X, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1http://bayimg.com/KADBEAAbC

      don't think that this is how the comment system should look.......

      but I'm fine with the current one
  • str3ama, on 10/11/2007, -7/+10definately agree, it looks really bad right now - the whole bordered look may make it easier to see which comments are grouped together, but it's still a huge pain. Also be default comments should be ordered by date - not by Diggs - I hate the fact that I have to reload the entire page just to get a structured view .
    • SevanElevan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16Just set "Order by Date" to default in your profile.
    • firstpost, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4You can change the default comment view in your profile.
    • Klarth, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14d e f i n i t e l y
    • jawbreaker4fs, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12It also makes it impossible to find a previous comment you've made if it's several nestings down and you don't remember exactly where it was.
      • rpgmaker, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8That's one of the major flaws to me.
      • sLydE, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2just hit the expand full tree button and then use browser search to find your username...it's not like we have dial-up modems here.
        • dclowd9901, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4But full expand doesn't expand a parent comment that's under your minimum mod threshold. That is to say: If I comment on a parent comment that has less than zero diggs, my comment will not automatically show up, even if I search for it, because the sub-zero parent comment, being hidden, hides any child comments automatically, no matter if you expand the full tree or not.
        • gromnie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1And anything beyond the first page (anything you see when you click the "show threads 50-201" button at the bottom of long enough pages) won't full-expand at all.
    • dylanrush, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I like it better like this. It eliminates people replying to the first comment just to get on the top of the comment list. It turns digg comments into sensible conversations and still leaves room for random quips about the story.
  • JO3M4N, on 10/11/2007, -28/+17I don't mind the comment system too much anymore.
    • rwallen, on 10/11/2007, -14/+8I agree I like the new comment system here. I know it's hard to adjust after so long but it really has cut down on comment jacking. I like how the replies all go with the main post they are replying too now.
    • pcore, on 10/11/2007, -8/+7Yeah but too bad diggers don't think you're entitled to your opinion. Bury me as well!
    • KMye, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5My #1 issue with it now is that if I don't have "see all" turned on under the digg filter, replies are still hidden under a buried comment. And even with see all on, if I digg down a comment, then on returning to that page, all the replies under it are hidden anyway. Please give an option to change this, digg.
    • ZeRux, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2you're going down :-)
    • NikoKun, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5haha even though people get dugg down for this... I agree, I like the current system now. Plus it's our own! no one else has somethign like this XD
    • Gonz037, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Yeah, I never had a problem with it, it seemed the whiney little kids need to complain about something. And people always complain about change on these community type pages!
  • orientis, on 10/11/2007, -9/+203Yeah I really don't like the new comment system. I spend less time here now because it's just too much of a pain to open all the nested replies, and really, when it comes down to it, I'm here for the discussion. The podcast section does it right and I think that's how comments should be site-wide.
    • CDHarrisUSF, on 10/11/2007, -10/+2There's a link ("Global Settings") at the top of the comment area where you can specify how many levels you want auto-expanded.
    • solohan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25Even when you expand it, the blue bars muddle it all up. Im am here way less...
      • orientis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17Agreed, it's just too messy and needlessly cluttered. Previous system was better in my opinion.
      • orientis, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13Agreed, it's just too messy and needlessly cluttered. Previous system was better in my opinion.

        Edit: This never happened to me with the old system either.
      • ahknight, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I have it set to auto-expand as well, but I lose half of my screen's real estate to blue bars and padding. It's visually more complicated and hard to follow large threads. This style might work for a small blog (might) but for a large site with many threads it's just crap.
  • Light11, on 10/11/2007, -3/+50wow. the podcast comment style is exactly what digg needs. its much nicer and much cleaner. the comments go a bit too deep though lol
    • zybch, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5I'd prefer nested comments to be indented a little bit further perhaps (to make it absolutely clear on a quick glance which ones are the parents and children), but the pic looks just like I want otherwise.
      I certainly don't want that ***** ajax smooth animation effect ***** though. It just slows stuff down and irritates the hell out of me!
  • roflcawpter, on 10/11/2007, -16/+3Sorry but: In that picture the poster is talking about some girl...

    Links? Pics? Videos?
  • roflcawpter, on 10/11/2007, -16/+3Sorry but in that picture the poster is talking about a girl...

    Links? Pictures? Videos?
  • AndrewDB, on 01/10/2008, -31/+20Am I the only one who actually likes the comment system? :/

    I mean yeah, the screenshot looks nice, but all this complaining about the comment system is getting a bit redundant, and Kevin already said they're working on fixing things and bringing new features to the site.. we just need to be patient.
    • timdorr, on 10/11/2007, -6/+13You're one of a few. I don't like the current system because of the wasted white space and excessive distance between comments and sub-comments.
    • sicapitan, on 10/11/2007, -18/+5I prefer it 10 fold over the old one.
    • blaze03, on 10/11/2007, -8/+63"Am I the only one who actually likes the comment system?"

      Yes.
    • Crazy_8, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I'm on the wall about it. I like being able to to expand and collapse a whole comment tree plus having those trees collapsed by default both cuts down on people mass-replying to the first comment and seems to make the page load faster. Putting comments past number 50 onto another page is nice too, I'm certain most people don't usually read that far down and don't need to wait 5 minutes for all of those comments to load on every digg story. But reading this system does hurt my eyes and the old system was easier on them.

      Functionally? - I like the new system. Visually? - I think it's trying to gouge my eyes out atm.
    • ZorboMan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2I wasn't crazy about the comment system at first, but ss a user of Firefox, I've come to enjoy being able to load a Digg page that has 100's of comments in them. Firefox is unbearably slow when using sites like Digg and Fark, so I sort of feel like these changes were necessary.

      I was actually getting close to switching back to IE just because of the speed issue.
  • CubiX, on 10/11/2007, -11/+4Noooo... The right alignment sux, it totally breaks the line of reading.
  • mrnoob, on 10/11/2007, -11/+5***** the podcast version; just make it what it used to be FFS.
  • opitica, on 10/11/2007, -11/+45hmm there seems to be a problem: i can't digg this a thousand more times.
  • AndrewDB, on 01/10/2008, -3/+22Everyone bury omfglook and report him for being offensive. He's doing one of the link spam games.
  • aussieNickuss, on 10/11/2007, -11/+6Now that I have become used to the new comment system, I actually think it is much easier to navigate. Besides that a digg comment page is almost unusable on my G4 iBook in Safari (it is so slow and constantly beachballs), it works fantastic on all my other newer computers.

    The biggest plus about the new system I reckon is that people don't automatically reply to the first comment, there is more relevant replies to each comment.
  • UtahApocalyse, on 10/11/2007, -9/+13Have you looked at it now that more people have commented there? It looks like utter *****. The comments are all jumbled in one mass row, you cant tell what reply was to what. I think its worse ***** then the old system and this current one is ten times better.
    • insomniac8400, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7Are you blind? How can you call it ***** when it looks like the old system just with the ability to reply to all levels of comments. You saying the old system was *****?
      • sid0, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6On a slower computer, the new system is faster -- A LOT faster -- than the old one.
  • WalkerBurgin, on 10/11/2007, -11/+28The ONE thing I like about the new system is that it really discourages people from abusing the ability to reply to a post near or at the top in order to be 'heard.' Just throwin that out there...
    • defectDS, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19Except it doesn't. They still do it anyway.
    • resplence, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12It only discourages it because the new system made it more obvious to spot abuse - it did not give people more voice so they could feel they will be heard even if they don't post near the top. It's actually quite the opposite - replies are hidden and now there's pagination; which many people don't like or follow. So now, if you're not on the first page of comments, you're pretty much talking to yourself.
    • quadvods, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6also discourages people to reply at all because they are much more unlikely to be read... =bad
  • wayne247, on 10/11/2007, -4/+48How about something that doesn't COMPLETELY STALL my browser for like 10 seconds on moderately commented stories?

    Perhaps just a little bit less Ajax? I hate to bring the eternal enemy, but... slashdot comments are nice.
    • armo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Except for the slashdot comments thing, which I find a jumbled mess, I couldn't agree more. Think about the little guy browsing on a low-ish spec pc please digg.
    • lostboy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3personally i love the slashdot comment system, and agreet totally about the use of ajax, it slows down my browsing too.

      I'm also a big fan of shacknews comment system, it's been designed for massive amounts of comments as you can see:
      http://shacknews.com/laryn.x?story=47714
    • TheSolomon, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2I don't quite understand why a page with AJAX would *slow down* your browser. I am very familiar with how to implement the technology, and the beauty of AJAX is your browser doesn't have to load a ton of content you may never read. Sure, there are plenty of links that have associated javascript, but the "heavy lifting" for those links doesn't occur until you actually CLICK on one of them, such as when you reveal a reply tree. The initial page rendering doesn't care whether it's a link to another web page or an internal link to a script; it's all handled in basically the same fashion.

      Without AJAX, by comparison, your browser has to render every single last comment, regardless of whether you read it. Not only should the initial page load be faster with AJAX, but the overall time spent viewing a page should also be less.
      • wayne247, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Apologies. I said AJAX when, in reality, I think the problem with digg's comment system slowing down is the heavy use of stylesheets and javascript elements. The browser tries to create a gazillion objects and format them all properly, align, etc. Since everything in this page is an object that can be moved by a script, you can see how complicated it gets.

    • computerbynar, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2The new comment system stalls my browser, but the one in the podcast section doesn't at all.
    • gpd209, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I run a 4 year old Mac. Almost anything that hits the front page I can't get to on the new system. With Safari, my CPU maxes out for minutes at a time. With Camino (a slimmed down version of Firefox), the scripts time out. At this point, this story has only 169 comments and I can't open it. On the old system, I only had problems when comments hit about 500.
  • BlackOp, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The blue bar text starts overlapping when the threads get really deep. Even with that its better than this though.
  • jm1234567890, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24http://digg.com/podcasts/Diggnation/499486#c7361

    lol... but there is this problem
  • withoutashovel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4yeah that's a cleaner comment system. the buttons and links on this one get a bit chunky.
  • jake57, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Yeah, what ever happened to the block button....
    • Gatesophile, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8You have to digg the person down first.
  • rheaume, on 10/11/2007, -3/+32Totally agree, looks great. Im surprised they didnt roll back the changes after the majority of people were not happy with the new system. personally my comments browsing has dropped to 2% of what it was before, I should be able to read every comment on one page, I used to search for my name to find if anyone responded and now its a massive hassle... I just dont bother anymore.
    • Kitsune818, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2My theory is that getting fewer people to read/use the comments was part of the design.
    • staralfur15, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2I hear you pall, my comments browsing has dropped to 3.5 percent :(
  • Nin10dude, on 10/11/2007, -4/+53We have a podcast section?!
  • DestroyFascism, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2The replies should be visible as an indented thread otherwise all is fine...
  • fergl, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2Are you guys all idiots or something?? Just go to your global settings and set the nesting level to all. Voila, you can now reply to replies of replies in replies and so on. You can reply to every reply.
  • dotdan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I like the suggestion, but I think that the top level post should have a slightly darker background (the username/digg part).. just something to make it obvious where things start/end, but without borders.
  • nud0, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2This is awesome.
  • moojj, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Yes, dear god yes!!
  • anagoge, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9Say no to threading.
  • Sil369, on 10/11/2007, -9/+2Too much blue, I want to see moe PINK ! o.O
  • fancypantscz, on 10/11/2007, -4/+25One of the beautiful things about digg is that you know your comments will actually be read and considered by a community of people. We all know the nearer your comment is to the top of the page the larger an audience you have. So before we had reply abuse but in my opinion the vast majority of us did their best to not abuse the system. And if you wanted to be read by others there was pretty strong motivation to read and consider the first few comments and then craft a witty and meaningful reply knowing that it was going to be read by many people. Was it abused? Sure it was. But I think the old system resulted in some pretty good threads the majority of the time.

    Now that our replies are hidden and require clicking, there is less motivation to take the time to read peoples comments and post a decent reply. For people who were abusing the reply system before now simply post a new comment when actually it is a reply to something that has already been said.

    The new system is worse. There are less replies and the quality is lower. There is less of a discussion atmosphere. Of coarse there are benefits to the change but one of the key motivations for participating in a comment-reply style discussion is missing; that is before, our conversations had guaranteed exposure to an audience.

    Our comments get dugg or buried already. Why don't we use that feature to select the best reply with most diggs and have that displayed beneath each comment? An algorithm could be created to display more than one of the 'best' replies based on the total number of comments and total number of reply diggs. This could keep the loading time down. If the replies happen to get presented by the algorithm in a nonsensical order one can always click to see all the replies and read to see how the 'best' replies actually fit together. I think this would capture more of the best of the old and new systems by making new use of an already existing digg feature.
    • konig12, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3I like your idea. Hopefully they actually take that to heart in the new implementations. I disagree with you though on the reasoning. I think that there is no less motivation, just a different feel. I like the new system better than the old, but I still think it could be better.
  • Mizzike, on 10/11/2007, -7/+3To uncover how unwieldy the new commenting system can be: Reply to this comment. Then someone can reply to THAT comment and create a deeply-nested comment tree. Try it. It's fun!
  • Dested, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2=/ wrong topic.
  • bluezinc, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Yes, Kevin Rose, listen to us!!!!
  • KraigR, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2amen, lets do it
  • srg13, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2That's much better. Although I think that it should be limited to five or six levels - so you don't get this (http://digg.com/podcasts/Diggnation/499486 ) happenning
  • Zettablade, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8This new system is too cluttered
  • HumanRecall, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I figure by the end of the summer Kevins Pounce will be involved in the lay out somehow !
  • ThantiK, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I'm starting to think maybe Digg could solve its problems by going with a reverse-layout, and keeping the nested replies. New replies stack on top and older ones start to fall to the bottom, although we may have the same problem as the current system that way - with people replying to others by starting new comments which really needed to be a reply. You have to balance functionality, with a kind of anti-"frist psot!" mentality. And perhaps when we get an entire string of buried people (that are new replies)...group them together and allow them to be hidden as a group
  • floguy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6I've got an idea! Non-threaded comments. With pagination.
  • kenvibe, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Haha... best thread ever!

    http://www.digg.com/podcasts/Diggnation/499486
  • FMKaiba, on 10/11/2007, -10/+5i will probably be dugg down for saying this.....

    but the new system is better, memory wise not having to fetch all the comments every view is alot more efficant, and saves server bandwith for other things (maybe the widely wanted images section?). sure its not as pretty to look at right away, but it is technologically a better way to do it.

    i had to say it, sorry
    • Jumboto, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3I agree that the new system is better (no where near perfect).
      The Digg team is probably with me in DESPISING comment/reply abuse.....

      If only the abusers would behave there would be no need for a new system. Oh well, they gotta police it somehow.
      • Endemoniada, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The thing is...

        I don't abuse the system, I mostly just read comments and reply when I feel I have to. The new system has cut my comment reading down to maybe a tenth of what I used to read before, and I barely ever reply to comments anymore. It's just not worth the hassle of clicking-waiting-clicking-waiting-clicking-waiting just to follow ONE comment on the site, let alone the entire page.

        I frequently read and post on Slashdot articles, because it's a clean system that WORKS. I know that if I contribute something valuable to the discussion, I'll get modded up, and it's only should I ever abuse the system that I will get modded down. Much unlike Digg, where you get randomly buried or dugg without much reason at all. I know this is because of users, and I suspects there's an ethical difference between just "pressing the red thumb" for things you don't like, and actually having to choose WHY that specific comment should be modded down (and then also having your decision peer-reviewed, which practically eliminates any abuse of modpoints).
        Also, Slashdot lets me scroll down the entire page. It's so much more comfortable reading discussions as one, long flow rather than having to constantly move and click your mouse all over the page.

        Consider Slashdot being a book where all you do is flip the page (or scroll down) to continue reading, whereas with Digg you have to get up, walk over to the bookshelf, get the next book, go back and continue reading for every single page!

        I'M sorry, but the new system does way more harm than good, and is a perversion of all the tried-and-true comment systems that exist, and have existed for years already.
    • HypocriteDigg, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I agree. The new system is WAY better. Too bad the majority of Digg users are ignorant idiots.
  • torched, on 10/11/2007, -7/+8Why is this awful comment system still alive? KILL IT DIGG KILL IT!!!!111ONE
  • Gigabyte, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3Makes me laugh that the picture is from digg.com but we haven't noticed.
  • stockjones, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3What you guys don't get is that they don't display every single div for all responses when the page first displays. That resolves some of the speed issues loading a huge thread. Instead when you view the responses they are retrieved via ajax (they arent inline in the page when it initially loads). This actually makes the page smaller and more efficient. Also the reason large threads are noticeably faster with the new comment system.
  • stockjones, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Sorry but had to make one other comment. Perhaps what Digg could do, is capture the count of posted comments (not the responses). If the count is less than a certain number display the thread using the old method that everyone loves with everything inline. Otherwise if the posts exceed a certain number display using the newer system to better handle the speed issues.
    • gpd209, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2How about they just give us a choice--old version or new version. It's not that difficult. Or, let us choose how many replies/threads load on a single page (for those of us with older computers). Basically, they should just LET US CHOOSE. Choice seems to be most consistent with the democratic philosophy that underlies Digg.
  • 5555, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I find myself hardly ever replying to comments anymore. It's such a hassle with this new system and difficult to find them later. How much longer do we have to endure this new system? I know Digg thinks we'll just get used to it and stop complaining... but it's not a case of fear of change... it really is bad!
  • d3bruts1d, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Now, that's a CSILF.
  • NikEy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3I like the system the way it is.. after all posts with a lot of comments needed ages to load. This way you only check the most interesting comments and screw the rest
  • xixor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7yep, not a fan of the new comment system.
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