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- Everton1878, on 11/11/2007, -17/+99what a mess lol
HD DVD got it's act together much faster and it's cheaper and so are the players - inactive, on 11/09/2007, -17/+59I'm pulling for HDDVD because its cheaper and i see no difference in quality. This holiday will really make a difference with the cheaper players. After all a decent regular dvd player is about 50 to 80 dollars, why not spend 100 and get high def? I just can't in vision people standing in line to drop 500 to 800 dollars on a blu ray player. I believe most of the blu ray base is because of the PS3
- TheRealToma, on 11/10/2007, -9/+46Blu-Ray is the only format Ive seen so far in Australia.
Also, HDDVD has given my CapsLock key a use, finally. - drjekelmrhyde, on 11/11/2007, -1/+36Not until we get 20Mbp connections on average
- acu8509, on 11/11/2007, -3/+36Say hello to the LaserDisc® for me!
- TypeEE, on 11/11/2007, -12/+37Yeah, $99 for HD player is a no brainer. I would care less about the 1080p argument. If the format totally flop, I still have a decent upscaling dvd player
- troycott, on 11/10/2007, -4/+24ay carumba! I don't care! I just wish the powers-that-be would decide so I could buy a player already.
- ThinkBox, on 11/11/2007, -5/+25I dugg you for saying this "Beta players were cheap at the end of that format war too."
Then I realized that you weren't making a joke. You DO know why they were cheap at the end of the format war... right? - MalDON, on 11/11/2007, -6/+25HD DVD is not going to be the next beta. Directors don't know what up. The consumer knows what's up. And if it's HD they want, it's HD they get. The directors are not buying the players, it's the fans. So in a way, the directors have to listen to their customers.
- TypeEE, on 11/11/2007, -4/+23They are doing buy one get one free deals and that's how they claimed they are selling so fast. However, same deal as toshiba, they counted the 5 that are given for free. Anyway, hd-dvd for $99 is just a very nice price that I could risk it loosing the format war.
- R2Bacca, on 11/10/2007, -0/+19DVD? VHS?
- inactive, on 11/10/2007, -4/+23It's not a matter of just buying a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player, you need to also buy a big-screen TV to even make it worth it. I would say a 42" screen MINIMUM.
That's where regular DVD had a huge advantage when it was released. People could clearly see a difference on their _existing_ TVs over VHS.
I would hazard to guess most people still own TVs in the 27" to 32" range. And even assuming they are widescreen, it is simply not worth investing in HD-DVD or Blu-Ray unless you plan to drop some coin on a new big screen TV also. Then you're assuming most people even have room or space for it.
$98 HD-DVD players - sure great! But you're going need to spend at least another G on a new set to really see a difference over DVD.
- inactive, on 11/11/2007, -20/+39Typical boondoggle by Sony.
I hope Sony loses this format war - most of their formats have lost in the past. - JoeB4ever, on 11/10/2007, -4/+21Am I the only one that thought spider-man 3 sucked?
- scronline, on 11/10/2007, -14/+30Ok, I'm tired of hearing about blu-ray. It's not going to last. Sony usually does come out with a better format, but refuses to manage it well. In other words, they also want to control the content. Does the word "Betamax" mean anything to anyone? Yes, Blu-Ray is going to die just like Sony's Betamax did and for EXACTLY the same reasons.
- superkendall, on 11/09/2007, -3/+18Something not mentioned in that article is that at least one title (I forget which one) has gotten around the whole 1.1 profile thing, by using the extra space on a Blu-Ray disc to include a video feed that includes the PIP content atop the movie. Thus the same effect as 1.1 PIP, but you can play it on anything - and still keep bitrates higher than HD-DVD for the real non-PIP movie.
- NoSpaceForRent, on 11/09/2007, -2/+16No lie. Sony and their crew should build a team of big battling robots to combat Toshiba and their supporters own giant battling robot team. We could run the fight at halftime of the next Superbowl. The robots could have guns and lazers, with a 'Z'! Settle this format war and once and for all. Loser cleans the field and throws their format away. That would be great.
- TypeEE, on 11/10/2007, -1/+15I don't mind if you typed hd-dvd or BLU-RAY
- goettel, on 11/09/2007, -8/+21So? Crappest movie I've took the trouble to go see on the big screen. Ever. It beat Highlander 3 even, go figure.
- SenorCardgage74, on 11/10/2007, -1/+14I thought that too, before I went Hi Def and believe it or not after youve had it a while, regular dvds look kind of blah.
I realize how dumb that sounds, and if I hadnt experienced it firt-hand I wouldnt believe it. - schoate09, on 11/09/2007, -0/+13Not until Comcast lifts the invisible bandwidth cap.
- KevenM, on 11/10/2007, -5/+17Don't forget DAT, UMD, and soon Memory Stick
- veloscaper, on 11/09/2007, -10/+22There is NO region coding in the HD-DVD spec. There is in Blu-Ray. Time to dump your PS3. So sorry you were mislead by a Sony viral social network rootkit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD - inactive, on 11/09/2007, -8/+19Yea except that sony can pull your ps3's bluray 'license' if you ever get caught with a illegal bluray disc and make your ps3 unuseable.
- ThinkBox, on 11/11/2007, -0/+9They were cheaper because they lost, nobody wanted them, it was no longer a viable so they cant sell it for much... supply, demand... ya know basic economics
- MalDON, on 11/10/2007, -7/+16hd dvd is exactly what it is. an HD dvd. People can figure that out. You ask someone what blu ray is and they think it's something else. Dvd relates to past technology giving it recognition.
- Flann11, on 11/09/2007, -34/+42I would rather buy something called HD DVD than a disc with a silly name like Blu-Ray.
- revenz, on 11/09/2007, -3/+10i just want them to hurry up and make up their minds which format to use, ive stopped buying movies/tv shows because of this (and i really doubt im alone). as long as its 1080P and really good sound, i couldnt care less about the "special features" (when dvds first came out i use to watch them all, now i never can be bothered)
- dvsbastard, on 11/10/2007, -0/+7It doesn't sound dumb at all, and I have both seen and noticed the difference. However, what I meant is at a glance, they are much the same, and I am not saying from a visual quality perspective... but the physical media appears identical and it does not contain any great new features (i.e. when DVD's first came out, having menu's, chapters, instant skipping, zooming, special features, etc was great).
Trying to convince the average consumer that the upgrade is worth the money, when there are no huge apparent differences is no easy task. - briansearles, on 11/11/2007, -4/+11I was going to respond to the line "Learn from history - just as Sony has done." with some cheeky and predictable crack at the Playstation 3, but decided against because surely everyone has already thought of that before reading this comment.
- veloscaper, on 11/11/2007, -4/+11There is NO region coding in the current HD-DVD spec. It can't be added because it is not in the spec. If you're going to make something up to scare people why not come up with something more scary.
- forgeflow, on 11/10/2007, -1/+8I thought blu-ray movies were outselling hd-dvd movies by 2 to 1? Also, why does everyone pick on blu-ray as a Sony format? There are more companies (like Apple, Panasonic, Pioneer, Sony, Samsung, etc. etc.) and studios behind blu-ray -- it is NOT a Sony format. HD-DVD is a creature of Toshiba and Microsoft. As far as blu-ray players go, the PS3 is pretty future proof, having more CPU horsepower than any set top device on the market. If the market "profile" for blu-ray changes, there will be a software update for the PS3 that will make it so.
And one final comment - blu-ray discs have a very strong scratch proof coating that makes them very impervious to all but deliberate damage. HD-DVDs do not. Think of how your kids or little brother handles disks and think again about what format might be more durable. :) - norman619, on 11/11/2007, -0/+7You can just buy a region free player. Just a thought.
- TypeEE, on 11/11/2007, -3/+10Exactly, if you download movies from pirate bay, most stuffs are sub dvd quality, 576x242 something like that. I would expect 480 horizontal lines to be on par with dvd.
- xOpifex, on 11/10/2007, -1/+8The buy one get some free movie deals do contribute (and BOTH formats have these), but if you look at the sales of new release movies (300 for example) Blu-Ray is greatly outselling HD-DVD. Note that this movie was NOT being given away for free, yet sold almost twice as many Blu-Ray copies as HD-DVD.
- signorescuro, on 11/10/2007, -3/+9dugg up for use of the ® symbol
- inactive, on 11/09/2007, -1/+7I'm sticking by my Laser Edison Cylinder.
- SenorCardgage74, on 11/09/2007, -1/+7"My money is on DVD outlasting both formats."
..its also on the banana in the school bus fruit race.
"Go banana!" - antdude, on 11/10/2007, -1/+7CD, SVCD, etc.
- thatsmyaibo, on 11/10/2007, -4/+10That was only a one day sale and each store only got a few. It was a great marketing tool to get the word out on HD DVD, but it won't be the end-all.
- ibeetle, on 11/09/2007, -3/+8@JoeB4ever
So apparently you do not know that Transformers has been a disaster on home video and every major release such as Spider-man 3 and Ratatouille has out sold it. - guyincognitoo, on 11/09/2007, -2/+7and Minidisk
- jaewon223, on 11/09/2007, -1/+6how prophetic. when is sony going to learn that making proprietary formats works against them. they cant forcibly create a monopoly. i will admit their products are higher quality but at the same time there is a premium price to pay. i want HDDVD to win just because I hate Sony's business methods
- arcticblue, on 11/10/2007, -0/+5Thank you for the intelligent and informed post. It was a breath of fresh air to this thread full of flaming.
- Blacula, on 11/10/2007, -2/+7HDDVD tends to be a confusing name for a lot of people (older people and people who aren't as tech-savvy -- surprisingly a lot of these people don't even know what HD is), especially with all the other acronyms that will come up in the conversation.
"I just bought a HDDVD player for my HDTV, it plays HDDVDs and upscales SD DVDs to HD. Upscaled DVDs aren't as nice as HDDVDs though."
"..." (HEAD A SPLODE) - echinatl, on 11/09/2007, -2/+6How about 90,000 sold not counting Amazon and other online retailers. Considering how many have been sold before the sale, that is A LOT.
- superkendall, on 11/11/2007, -18/+22Beta players were cheap at the end of that format war too.
Why put your money on a format that not only are Fox AND Disney (read: Pixar) AND Sony not behind, but that also lacks the support of SPielburg (who has refused to allow Paramount to release any of his movies on HD-DVD).
The directors know what is what. Not matter how cheap, do not buy into the new Betamax backed by a single hardware maker. Learn from history - just as Sony has done. - thejokell, on 11/09/2007, -1/+5I don't know who Josh is, but he's an idiot:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/pr_paramounttransfo ...
"Additionally, the smash hit has exploded into the high definition market, selling over 100,000 HD DVDs its first day of release, rocketing past previous releases to become the best-selling day one high definition title on either format since their inceptions. TRANSFORMERS has sold over 190,000 HD DVDs in its first week making it the fastest and best-selling week one release on either high definition format as well as the best selling HD DVD ever." - Elranzer, on 11/09/2007, -4/+8They're both losing to regular DVD. Yes, it's the same market.
- inactive, on 11/11/2007, -5/+9HD DVD does not have their act together. I popped in Transformers into my 360 HD DVD player and a message box pops up telling me the web features aren't supported.
That puts it on the exact same level as bluray players in terms of standards -
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