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- s14sh3r, on 11/04/2007, -1/+61Dude, it's almost 2008 and lots of people STILL think the monitor is the computer.
- mflambert, on 11/04/2007, -0/+44It's almost 2008 and many people still dont know the difference between bits & bytes.
- Error601, on 11/01/2007, -3/+45Most of the networks that affect your speed are not owned by the ISP.
- Narcism, on 11/04/2007, -7/+47Here I was thinking the internet was a series of tubes...
- techobo, on 11/04/2007, -4/+41My ISP must laugh at the amount of pr0n I download.
- alwshiloh, on 10/30/2007, -1/+21water, can you tell me exactly what in the Constitution prohibits a company from false advertising? I'm not saying its right, but don't use the "unconstitutional" canard just because you hear all your left-wing loony friends misusing it.
- m94mni, on 10/30/2007, -1/+20Reverse Bits and Bytes, and you are right.
- czeman, on 10/31/2007, -0/+16Advertising = Watering down the product's description
For example..."A 15 minute call to Geiko COULD save you 15% or more in car insurance." It could, but it probably won't unless you're in the military.
Hell, any ISP could spout,"You COULD get speeds of up to 100Mbps up and down!" Then they'll snicker to themselves saying,"Yeah, if our infrastructure supported it AND if we actually WANTED to give you those speeds!" - ckhw2, on 10/30/2007, -1/+15it's the other way around...
6 MegaBITS per second = 6*1024 KiloBITS per second = 6144 KiloBITS per second = 6144/8 KiloBYTES per second = approximately 750 KiloBYTES per second.
i.e. kwebb12 is getting approximately the rated speed... A novice mistake...
Another common novice mistake is with HDD sizes. Manufacturers use 1000 rather than 1024 as the multiplier for a "kilo" or Mega or Giga. So the total size is usually lesser than advertised. - subliminalurge, on 10/31/2007, -0/+14Yep, and the box on the floor with the power switch on it is the hard drive.
- ninsei, on 10/30/2007, -0/+14It's / by 8 actually. So 10 megabit = 1.25 megabyte
- jayadelson, on 10/31/2007, -3/+16First, I don't agree. Second, even if the layer 1 or layer 2 network is owned by someone else, the higher levels of the stack, where this sort of preferential treatment of packets happens, are absolutely controlled by the ISP.
- MoneyShot, on 10/31/2007, -1/+12They "sell air"? Gee, and I thought my traffic was routed through the hundreds of miles of fiber that they laid. Yes, most major carriers don't have to pay an upstream provider for bandwidth. That's because they're at the top of the food chain. But that also means that they're the ones who are paying to have trenches dug and infrastructure installed/maintained. That's marginally more expensive than air.
- proliance, on 10/30/2007, -2/+13If you have DSL, your signal travels through a single, unshared line. The company who provides the service can guarantee your speed.
But it you have cable, the bandwidth is shared with your neighbors and there is no way to guarantee you upload or download speed. That's why Comcast says your speeds are "up to" 10Mbs or whatever.
Don't make me defend the cable company again. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. - MtheoryX, on 11/03/2007, -0/+11Women like that are awesome.
It takes so very little to easily become their "geek hero" when they have a problem. - freakingretard, on 10/30/2007, -0/+10The other day, my girlfriend asked me when I was going to get rid of "those two computers in the corner", referring to one laptop connected to a CRT.
- Otto, on 10/31/2007, -0/+10This explains Apple's iMac designs, where the monitor actually does contain the computer. They're just catering to the people's existing preconceptions.
- inactive, on 11/04/2007, -1/+10why are yahoo articles always so lame
- briguymaine, on 10/30/2007, -1/+10and what does Bush have to do with it, I realized that I was getting screwed out of bandwidth in the Clinton admin.
- Firehed, on 10/30/2007, -1/+910MB/s = 80Mb/s. Has digg gone so far downhill that its users think there are ten bits in a byte? Come on now.
- spyrochaete, on 10/30/2007, -0/+8The Americans were really screwed out of bandwidth in the Carter era. It was hard to get better than 300baud and nobody in the whole country could access google.com.
- inactive, on 10/31/2007, -3/+11is that a secret? let's try some real secrets. do you know there are companies, entities called "tier 1" providers that have virtually free bandwidth to sell (with an additional cost of infrastructure). the point is, those providers buy from nowhere their bandwidth, they sell air, while others below them have to both pay from infrastructure and pay the big ones unless they take good blowjobs.
- falkonv7l, on 11/04/2007, -1/+9Dugg for the Master Chief reference & My DSL connection is great, while it works.
- arjie, on 10/30/2007, -0/+8In some places the advertising goes 'up to 10mbps' so they can get away with nearly anything. Unfortunately, if everyone does this you can't 'vote with your wallet'.
- Omano, on 10/31/2007, -2/+10Dugg down for this being an uninformed carbon copy of allot of other story's. Did anyone learn anything they did not know before from this story.
- footodors, on 11/04/2007, -2/+8"Oh, they have Internet on computers now. "
- Nougat, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6Yes, thank you, I got the btis and bytes mixed up. 6-10 megaBITS, 700 kiloBYTES.
- oldhick, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6You can do that if you pay more. Check into ISDN or fractional T1's or an OC3. You can get all the guaranteed bandwidth you want. Oh wait, you want it cheap and guaranteed fast, oh...
- Lone1, on 11/04/2007, -0/+6or the difference between latency and bandwidth. If anything should be called "speed" its latency I think, at least to gamers.
- Dgen_X, on 10/30/2007, -0/+5You're almost correct...you'll save 15% or more if you're an ex-military elderly Pisces Geico retiree
- astrotrain, on 10/30/2007, -0/+5Actually you can narrow down "deceptive marketing" to one word... Comcast
- jayadelson, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5Another very important point here is the sheer number of networks between any two destinations on the Internet. Each network is independently controlled by separate providers and often have different rules for QoS. A few years back, the average number of network hops (which include virtual points or physical points on a layer 3 network, often multiple per network) between any two sites was 17...I'm not sure what it is today. Any one of those points can introduce latency, jitter, loss, or QoS technology into the user experience.
- inajeep, on 11/04/2007, -1/+6No, they don't look at that, now the government on the other hand....
- m94mni, on 10/30/2007, -0/+56-10 Mbps = 6-10 M *bits* per second, not Byte.
So 8Mbps is around 1MB/s, and with a bit of overhead in the protocols etc, 700KB/s is not at all that bad. - weeeezzll, on 10/30/2007, -0/+4Honestly, once you get above 6Mbps connection speed it is difficult to tell, because most of the content you access can only be sent to you at lesser speeds. Once your speeds get so high, everyone else becomes a bottle neck to you.
- weeeezzll, on 11/04/2007, -1/+5Job security. Everything I do seems like magic. The more mysterious the problem the better I get paid. Even an honest person in the IT/Computer Repair field can make tons of money with out the need to rip people off.
- usefuljenkins, on 10/30/2007, -0/+4Holy run-on sentence batman!!
- Topher06, on 10/30/2007, -0/+4I was annoyed recently when while my DSL ISP was charging me for 5 mbps service, I was only ever getting a maximum of 2.4mbps (using their own bandwidth performance tool). When I called up they told me that my line was purposely limited to 2.4mbps for "stability". I am using a 3rd party ISP which works off a major telco's infrastructure so in order for me to get the full 5 mbps service they had to put a service request to the major telco to remove the limit. A few days later I had stable 5mbps service. Recently it switched back to the 2.4 limit for some reason and I have to make another phone call. In my mind, this is like if a cable company was charging me for 100 channels, but only allowed me to show the top 20, or buying a car which had a 200hp engine but was limited to deliver only 100 hp or bought a compuoter with 100 gb of storage but only 20 gb was available. I.e. NO other market sector would promise one thing and deliver something less then expected, so why should the Internet be any different?
- plash, on 10/30/2007, -1/+5speakeasy.net seems to have some pretty good speeds. without going through a mega corp. which you never get what you pay for. ( IPOE bullcrap)
- dericko, on 10/31/2007, -0/+4I get my full 'promised' speed and sometimes MORE.... at 4am.
- alpha94, on 10/30/2007, -1/+4Have been using DSL for years here in Toronto and have always had my speed and never any connection problems. High speed has always been inexpensive here as well. For something like 45 dollars a month I have a 3mbit line.
- missingnoh4x, on 10/31/2007, -0/+3I hate it when commercials just brag about how fast X, Y, or Z connection is, but never actually just state a damn number. Just state how many mbps we get and be done with it. And don't lie about blocking torrent protocols.
- insomniac8400, on 10/31/2007, -1/+4No, because as of now they could provide you with a 10mpbs link between your house and their equipment. In doing so that might even allow you to share files with a neighbor at 10mbps, but they could limit the per user bandwidth to the internet to 56k. So your max internet speeds could be 56k, but you still have a 10mbps connection. This is why net neutrality is important. Once the amount of new subscribers a month starts dropping, ISPs will be creative on how to save money to keep profits growing.(It's the problem with publicly traded companies, profits always have to be increasing)
- buddyw, on 10/31/2007, -0/+3Actually, It's when large companies lobby the government and they begin 'Regulation' that we usually get into trouble. Just look at health care, insurance, and broadcasting.
- Five9, on 10/31/2007, -0/+3There is nothing new there. I got to the end of the story and kept looking for some real information.
- reddikilowatt, on 10/31/2007, -0/+3What? That makes no sense. I think what you were trying to say was that there are companies, like Level 3, who call themselves tier 1 providers. They have some fiber they put in themselves (usually in high-demand routes, like the BOS-NYC-WDC corridor), but for the most part, they are resellers of fiber that was installed by the baby bells, power distributors, and cable TV companies. They have POPs and routers, but they don't really go out and trench in new glass. So, yes, technically they don't actually own their networks. They lease them from the baby bells (as do most long distance companies... AT&T being the exception).
Where it gets interesting is when Quest (who owns fiber in the ground) runs a circuit for a DSLAM in a central office. There is a transaction that takes place, although it is really a paper debt, and troubleshooting can get several technicians involved looking at the same piece of fiber, but different pieces of it, in the same building. - cquilliam, on 10/30/2007, -0/+3Um, doesn't bandwidth equal the amount of data that can be transfered over a period of time? Isn't that speed?
Bandwidth != Lag - holiday, on 10/31/2007, -0/+3I wish i could digg this comment twice!
- MtheoryX, on 10/30/2007, -0/+3Let's really NOT get into this pissing contest. You KNOW we all fail when Japan comes into the argument.
- oldhick, on 10/30/2007, -1/+4I think he means once your packets leave Comcast... When i file share with my neighbors, I get data rates far higher than my advertised 8 MB download.
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