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- Pattyo13, on 05/14/2009, -19/+118macs cost more b/c steve jobs kisses each keyboard...and people are willing to pay for that
- Oxygen, on 08/06/2008, -12/+90But i have to buy an iBook! I can't sit around at Starbucks all day, pretending to write my novel on a Dell !
- slugicide, on 08/06/2008, -26/+84No price is to too high to pay for the right to act like a smug douchebag.
- inactive, on 08/06/2008, -28/+63The rest of the world doesn't give a ***** about mac.
- duddy, on 08/07/2008, -5/+38The price of a Mac is the only reason I haven't taken the plunge yet.
- reddikilowatt, on 08/07/2008, -5/+33Those commercials that run every 1/2 hour on every channel cost money.
- Shiftgood, on 08/07/2008, -9/+30All i know is i grew up hating macs. I was a PC kid all the way, so were my friends. But when i got to college, they highly recommended i buy a Mac (for communication arts/ graphic design). And so i reluctantly did. (my dell desktop was fuked, it was 3 years old, def time for a new computer).
To really see the diffrence in the two machines, you need to have owned both. You cant just talk trash about either without using them first.. and its a shame that most people dont think like this.
If there was a comment like "I had a mac, but i didnt like it for reasons 1,2,3" then thats somebody you should listen to.
But all of these people talking trash about macs that have not owned one (within the last 5 years) just need to keep their mouths shut. Because when they talk, it smells like *****. - WiseWeasel, on 08/06/2008, -24/+43If you read the story, the only data they have is that the Average Selling Price (ASP) of Macs is twice that of the average PC vendor, not that an equivalent Mac costs twice as much. Apple is just not selling as many low end boxes as their competitors, and so the vendor's average selling price is higher. This has nothing to do with the performance or value of the boxes they're moving, but merely shows that they are not competing in the low end of the computer market, like their competitors are. The only specific example of a pricing difference the article gave was between two totally different spec boxes, making it pretty much useless. It's clear from the writing (especially comparing integrated graphics with supposedly superior 356MB of SHARED memory versus the "inferior" 144MB of DEDICATED memory), that this author is ill-equipped to judge hardware equivalence. Trying to use the ASP data to conclude that Macs are twice as expensive is dishonest at best. By that logic, Sun must really be comparatively expensive, because they only sell high-priced server gear. The only way to judge pricing value is to find equivalent hardware and compare those prices (which this article failed to do), as a vendor's ASP tells us absolutely zilch.
- dieseltravis, on 08/07/2008, -2/+15Actually I have, and it is.
I ran a comparison back in January and saved $450:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p7Sy7Eyy2h- ... - ileftfark, on 08/07/2008, -7/+191. Build a sweet computer for about $500, no OS included
2. Run whatever OS you choose, either for a one-time charge, or for free if you're feeling ballsy
3. [obligatory] ???
4. ***** PROFIT
Proprietary software is one thing, but I refuse to be raped on hardware. - invictus13, on 08/07/2008, -4/+16lets not forget how much it costs to buy a fedora, 7$ coffee from starbucks, and the medical bills after getting bitch slapped for being a pompous ass with a mac, fedora, and 7 dollar coffee
- D3koy, on 08/07/2008, -6/+17Everyone has always known when you buy Apple you buy the logo, nothing has changed.
- Pattyo13, on 05/14/2009, -5/+15show us what you think is a fair comparison
- estvir, on 08/07/2008, -0/+10"Better Audio stacks"
Haha, you basically chose a bunch of technology words, threw better in front of them and hoped no one would question you.
It's amazing how disillusioned and brainwashed you Mac kids are. - ZachSka87, on 08/07/2008, -2/+11That's why they have the highest rate of hardware failure of any PC maker according to Consumer Reports.
They have excellent customer service...but it's because they HAVE to have it.
I'd rather build my own ***** and have it not break at all, or if it does to just pop in the replacement part myself instead of driving 80 miles to the nearest Apple store. Sounds like a better plan. - EtherGnat, on 08/07/2008, -0/+8Here's a fair comparison:
Dell XPS m1530 I purchased two months ago for $880: http://home.comcast.net/%7Emike-n-carrie/m1530_quo ...
Apple MacBook Pro @ $2,000: http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB133LL/A?mco= ...
Both laptops have approximately the same form factor and weight; both are made using premium materials; same processor, video card, and hard disk speed; both have slot load DVD/RWs; both have 15" screens, integrated camera and microphone, Bluetooth, and similar battery life.
Add the high resolution LED backlit screen ($125) and Wireless N ($25), and a 4th GB of RAM ($50) to the Dell for a total of $1,080.
Add a modem ($50), 250GB HD ($49), 4GB RAM upgrade ($200); and Apple Remote ($19) for a final price of $2,317.
The backlit keyboard and the mag safe power adapter cannot be duplicated on the Dell. The Dell has a media card reader, wi-fi detector, fingerprint reader, and HDMI port that are not available on the MacBook Pro.
That's about as close as you can get to an identical comparison. - sdipaola, on 08/07/2008, -0/+8better design software and hardware - can you really believe at the pro level this to be true.
adobe apps are exactly the same on both. have been for years. and when apple screwed adobe with Final cut over premiere, adobe made a strong effort to make their apps very good on PCs.
3D software (maya/max/...) works better on PCs (much longer integration w/PCs).
Maya on the Mac is still pretty new (came in as a unix port) and buggy. And most Macs use graphics cards below the specs Maya certifies. In general all ATI cards are less ready for pro 3D design development. And many macs use integrated intel graphics - the death nail for all 3d and video design work.
3D hardware is easy to get in high end packages or specific pro packages on a PC ( high end Nvidias for instance)
"Brand names usually stand for better quality" - no brand names stand for brands, in the case of Apple, closed brands, that affect design work, surely 3D design work.
pixar, ilm, dreamworks (pdi) all do their 3d movies on PCs. Have for years.
And if you code ( you know about coding right) with 3D, well openGL is not even stable on a Mac. So almost all 3D dev happens on PCs ( windows or linux) via openGL/C++ or DirectX.
Using Vista for 3D design (or anything pro IMHO) - never. But XP pro - well the numbers speak for themselves.
I have been doing high-end design for over 20 years, and use both macs and PCs. To assume Macs are better for Pro level design ( especially advanced: development, 3d and sound) well this does not always shake out with the ratio of pro dev folks on macs and pcs. for me macs tied to specific (sometime lame) graphics and sound cards is a big part of it. other times the closed branded approach does not allow for open standards ( my issue on the pro audio side). - midbc, on 08/07/2008, -3/+11a PC works too if you're not a retard
- RainNIU, on 08/07/2008, -1/+8Do you make your girlfriend shave her head, wear wire glasses, and a black turtleneck before you have sex?
- Shiftgood, on 08/07/2008, -2/+9dude, do you not realize the irony in your statement?
- inactive, on 08/07/2008, -3/+9Just today I purchased a computer with a intel 4 core processor, 8gig of ram, 9800gt (with its own ram) video card and a 1200 gig hard drive for about the same price as the lowest end iMac. I didn't get a monitor, I am going to recycle my existing 22 inch wide screen.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8 ... - krisple, on 08/07/2008, -4/+10We all know that apple charges too much, this isn't new.
- mrtrik, on 08/07/2008, -2/+8Yet, you find the time to (hopefully) read the article, comment on it, bash apple fans, and just be a dick. Clearly someone cares too much?
dollar for dollar, maybe a mac is more expensive but the value is there. Hell... any car will get you from point a to point b, yet not everyone is clamoring for the cheapest ***** out there. In every consumer item there is the cheap crap, and the more expensive crap. At the end of the day, it's value, perceived or actual that will make the person happy. So why do you need to hate on that? - arjie, on 08/07/2008, -0/+6No, jabberwolf, he means shared memory - where the graphics controller accesses main RAM instead of using dedicated RAM. Generally this is slower than using dedicated RAM.
- rizenality, on 08/07/2008, -0/+6Actually, The macbook uses 144mb of shared memory. As in shared with the ram installed. Im typing this on my macbook as we speak. I'm not sure if your head is too far up your ass to actually know about a product before you speak.
The guy writing the article does know what he is talking about and you just assume that you know what you are talking about. Apple FanBois like you make the rest of the apple users look like dumbasses. - lisaawesome, on 08/07/2008, -0/+6Yeah I happen to live with someone who suddenly wants everything Apple because it is trendy. I don't think Macs are bad computers at all but I do get frustrated when I watch someone who claims they have no money chose to buy a laptop (on credit) to only check their email and chat for 2000 dollars (plus interest). And now this broke idiot wants an iPhone. I just think if we're going for low cost a Mac is not the way to go.
- epstephen, on 08/07/2008, -0/+5second on the irony.
- specialbuddy1, on 08/07/2008, -0/+5Build a Hackintosh and have the best of both. Cheap price, OS X, Windows, Linux. I've never owned a mac but want to build one.
- stockjones, on 08/07/2008, -1/+6The Steve Jobs Hubris Effect. Nothing has changed. Apple is niche.
- drgmdp, on 08/07/2008, -0/+5*boyfriend
fixed. - polalion, on 08/07/2008, -0/+5Introducing the new *****, produced by Steve Jobs himself!
Going from $200,000. - inactive, on 08/07/2008, -1/+6FALSE: Better stability
FALSE: Ease of use
VERY FALSE: Better designed apps
VERY FALSE: Better security/less malware/0 viruses
FALSE: Better hardware/software integration
FALSE: Better Audio stacks
FALSE: Better Video software
REPEAT: Better Design software
TRUE: Better resell value
TRUE: The ability to run ALL operating systems, including Windows and Linux in Boot Camp.
2 truths:
There are no competitors so the price of used macs is driven up.
Also it's OSX that is one that limits its use to be used only on a mac using DRM: EFI V8 chip ! - xSledgewick, on 08/07/2008, -1/+6Uh? I forgot? All of you people took place in the Mojave experiment? So it was a demo? Oh cool, right.
Oh? An Alienware? Wow! You must know a lot about computers! Alienware's are soooooo good! For paperweights. It's actually ironic someone would post about an Alienware in this submission though; really. I'm guessing the Alienware brand name would cost just as much as the Mac brand when buying. Thank God for capitalism chaps!
Not that I have anything against the Macintosh brand, just most of the people. I love using an Apple computer from time-to-time. It just sucks that people buy the brand because of... the brand name rather than practicality. This submission actually proves that at this point. They've been able to get away with price hikes up until now, when people have started noticing cheaper ***** in the stores down the road. Especially with Dell getting more and more into actual, physical computer stores that you can walk into a talk to someone in. - ControlcChris, on 08/07/2008, -2/+7newegg
Tigerdirect - brundlefly76, on 08/07/2008, -2/+7Its the worst on the low end - this chart shows what $600 gets you at Apple and Dell:
http://www.stationstops.com/2008/07/23/apple-not-c ...
There is just no excuse for the lame specs on the mini at that price. - ubrikkean, on 08/07/2008, -3/+8Hey you. Yes, you three "it's a Macbook, not an iBook" people. Shut the ***** up, everyone knows what he meant.
- clsslc, on 08/07/2008, -1/+6Yeah, because Microsoft sells computers and everything.
- natenovs, on 08/07/2008, -0/+5no Skurt - they used a $700 laptop from HP - take off those blinders.
- ToiletGhost, on 08/07/2008, -4/+9More apple bashing? Do you read digg because every third article is how awesome the iphone is.
Seemed pretty nonpartisan to me. I have owned both a mac and a pc. My PC is about 100x better cause it runs more programs. - FredFredrickson, on 08/07/2008, -0/+4Are you really trying to argue that a purposeful hardware lockout, on Apple's behalf, is a good thing? Not even worth arguing over it's so wrong.
- CedoNulli, on 08/07/2008, -0/+4XPS 410 2.93ghzC2D + 4GB Ram + 8800GT 512 + 750 total HD +osx86 = w1n!
- antoniuk, on 08/07/2008, -3/+7MAC = Moron Attracting Computer
- mijelh, on 08/07/2008, -1/+5PC != Vista
PC != Microsoft - greenroom628, on 08/07/2008, -0/+4@danmiller
i think its pretty dependent on the industry that you work in. i work as a mechanical engineer in design/analysis and the best (and, i think) most industry-wide accepted design programs are for pc alone (i'm talking autocad, solidworks, proE, rhino). i've looked at 3d cad programs for macs (since i have both a macbook and an alienware) and i haven't found a mac 3d cad program that can hold a candle to any pc cad program. i even tried to run those programs on windows emulators on the macbook but it doesn't work. - ptravis, on 08/07/2008, -0/+4Or you could have learned how to use a computer properly, little girl. Video professor, perhaps?
- jamesdew, on 08/07/2008, -0/+4he didn't pay so he is getting away with it
- plnegative1, on 08/07/2008, -0/+4PC prices are always going to vary. Microsoft doesn't manufacture the systems their operating system is put on (thank god) so they don't have hegemony over hardware AND software like Apple does. Apple loves $$$$$$$$$ and loves ripping people off for mediocre hardware.
- cherwilco, on 08/07/2008, -1/+5an ati 2400xt is a high end graphics card to you? I think I now know why you guys are willing to pay so much. lol
- netdroid9, on 08/07/2008, -0/+4Are you trying to imply that somehow the components used by Apple, sourced from Intel, Seagate, Western Digital, Infineon, nVidia, AMD and others are somehow better than the exact same components used in any given modern PC?
Really, the only difference between a Mac and a PC is a 10c TPM chip and an EFI-based BIOS. iLife isn´t really that flash, GarageBand is the only piece of software that stands out particularly, everything else (except maybe iWeb, which is more a part of .Mac than iLife) in that suite have equivalents built into Windows and most Linux distros. - inactive, on 08/07/2008, -2/+6oh come on im sick of this ***** macs are expensive as ***** ( Australia ) and offer very little over the compition ( esspecially as far as hardware goes )
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